| When the majority seek ways to save themselves and the minority, and the minority sees the majority's idea as no idea, then, the majority must save itself, and let the minority sink or swim as it desires. When the push of the powerful center comes to shoves, who bears the brunt of it, who suffers the most? Where elephants fight, what suffers? SNC, an Aburi Accord precursor is about addressing the lopsided structure of Nigeria. Now, the people it serves best the most, through their man now at the helm, says, it is of no use. I ask: Is someone thinking at all?
--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Okogbaa <jeff29@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Okogbaa <jeff29@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TalkNigeria] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan
To: TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com, NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, naijanet@yahoogroups.com, NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com, "'Edo Nation'" <Edo-Nation@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:32 AM
Buska My intention is not to intimidate you and certainly not Yinka who I have communicated with privately on more than one occasion. Yinka has earned my respect. That notwithstanding, my point is that no one person is omniscience or is a reservoir of all knowledge and that simply because the President disagrees with a certain position does not earn him the type of names that he is being called. There are probably a million different views on SNC in Nigeria. The fact that you ridiculed other leaders in the past does not make it appropriate or right and really says more about you than about those leaders. You can constructively criticize without name calling or that too much to ask. " in your own interest.....", hmm, is this another do or die. Take care Geoffrey
From: TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alaremu2007@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:32 AM
To: TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan Okogbaa, no matter how you guys feels about Yinka's description of Mr (GEJ) Clueless Crude luck, am sure you are alive when UMYA was been referred to as Mr Go Slow a.k.a the tortoise and heaven did not fall, even the immediate occupier of the same seat before UMYA was referred to in so many unfriendly terms and nobody ask for anybody's head
Please in your own interest never try to intimidate anybody because they choose to point out to the world for the good of all that your Giant's feet of Clay is in the water
after all, we are all equall stake holder in the Nigeria project
K'elegbe mo egbe oooooo
Buska Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
From: "O. G Okogbaa" <jeff29@gmail.com> Sender: TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:19:27 -0400 To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: TalkNigeria@yahoogroups.com Cc: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com<NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com>; NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>; omoodua@yahoogroups.com<omoodua@yahoogroups.com>; talknigeria@yahoogroups.com<talknigeria@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [TalkNigeria] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan For a while now I have been following with keen interest the way you belittle president Jonathan at every turn. You have called him all kinds of names. May be to you that is ok but for someone who claims to be above the fray you show a very poor example for your followers whoever they may be. This motion that it is your way or no way is self deluding and arrogant. What guarantees do we have that your SNC is the cure to Nigeria's ills. And who do you expect to implement the outcome of such SNC. The current crop of compromised Nigerians including you and I or the ones you will import from mars. Besides what are some of the modalities of the SNC especially how you represent the voice of the minorities. Sure the big boys will take care of themselves. Some of you write as if you dislike more than just the individual but also the office. Other than your 'infallible SNC' i do not recall any ideas that you have proposed for solving the myriad problems facing Nigeria. You can disagree with his policies but to degenerate to personalizing the issue is beyond the pale, way beyond pale and bothers on bias.
On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:12 AM, "yinka odumakin" <yod2011@hotmail.com> wrote:
This Jonathan is not only incompetent but also coming across now as the NO 1 simpleton living in Nigeria today(and no apology to my friend eRG).
I have listened to previous looters of Nigeria putting down the SNC idea but none of them has ever come across so ludicrous and jejune like the Otuke clueless.
Although his political tomfoolery started with a minority man leading the campaign against zoning, this declaration that SNC is 96 years late is a message to the Niger Delta in particular that they are asking for a new deal within Nigeria 96 years late.
For a man presiding over a country that most pundits in intelligence circles around the world are giving only 4 or five years expectancy due to its many fault lines to be talking this way confirms the fear that handing JEG another four years is hasting Nigeria's extinction.
Jonathan is all a about power for self and I can't wait for May 29, 2011 for Nigeria to inaugurate a president who understands that after rescuing Nigeria from the thieves and buoy the confidence of Nigeria that the country can work again, the first task is to get all sections of Nigeria to the table of brotherhood!
Yinka. "After going around and around and around the same old mountain,may be it's time to finish the job.May be it's time to claim the promise.I dont know about you,but im tired of going around and around and around the mountain"-Rapheal Warnock"-
From: "Morgan Omodu" <adungbemorg@yahoo.com> Sender: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:44:47 +0000 To: <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com Cc: <omoodua@yahoogroups.com>; <talknigeria@yahoogroups.com>; <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan I once said on this fora that the clamour and demand for Sovereign National Conference of various ethnic nationalities is a nobel demand but must be fought for.
Position of GEJ is not in a way surprising nor new to me as no sitting government will concede to it unless through a well planned demand without compromise.
For record purpose, none of those in govt will concede to these demand if not well planned and followed by serial protest. My only concern now is who will lead the process? Is it same ethnic nationalities from south west that will lead it or the already compromised Niger Delta structure because they have chance of ruling the country, which body from the north or south east will do same without state preventing the process?
GEJ is the first president to own up on the demand,unlike his predecessors. We need to take his words or work for another process. This is what i kept telling people from our background that SNC should be seen as a demand that the ruling class won't concede to unless their is major coordinated uprising withing the different ethnic nationalities.
I rest my case for now.
Morgan
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
From: Saint Iyke <iykdngozi@yahoo.ca> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:22:06 -0700 (PDT) To: <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>; <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com>; <defsec@egroups.com>; <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com Cc: <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>; <nigerianid@yahoogroups.com>; <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>; <afenmai@yahoogroups.com>; <nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan "I believe it is irrelevant at this time because we have a 1999 Constitution, and a National Assembly, that should make good laws to govern our country.” GEJ
There goes a saying that "when you sit for too long with lunatics, you'd not know when you'll begin to act and sound like them."
With all due respect, Mr President, this sounds very much like the gospel of those impostors that have ruled Nigeria over these years. Those constitutions that you refer to, Mr President, were not designed for Nigeria by NIgerians. They were crafted by a cabal that clearly designed them to protect their fiefdoms, through their agents and puppets. If those constitutions, Mr President were made for Nigerian, there would not be a section of the country today that would stand up to posit that you Goodluck Jonathan should not contest the Presidency of your country. As if the country is their farmland or their fathers'. All over the world, federations flowed from the people. Our federation has remained an imposed one and we need to discuss it as the way forward.
God bless Nigeria!
Ike..//
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Chief Ike Kemjika Ejesi. RN, CCNA, mpi, BA(Hons), BScN(Hons).(Ome Udo)"A mother's love is like gold from heaven but more precious than emerald", Iyke Ejesi, April 4 1990 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Modupe Odusanya <dupeodus@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Modupe Odusanya <dupeodus@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget Sovereign National Confab - Jonathan
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> Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: [NaijaPolitics] Forget
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> said it was a waste of time for Nigerians to be talking
> about convening a National Conference, stressed that
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> He said: “Any talk about a convergence of the
> different ethnic groups should have taken place after the
> amalgamation in 1914 by Lord Lugard, and not this time when
> we are four years away from celebrating our centenary (100
> years) as a nation. I believe it is irrelevant at this time
> because we have a 1999 Constitution, and a National
> Assembly, that should make good laws to govern our
> country.”
> President Jonathan, who was speaking during a Presidential
> Policy Dialogue at the 16th Nigerian Economic Summit in
> Abuja, noted that the key to economic transformation lies in
> effective cooperation between the private and the public
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> Speaking on the theme of the summit “ Nigeria at
> 50: The Challenge of Visionary Leadership and Good
> Governance,” the President lamented that after 50
> years of independence, the country was still languishing in
> corruption."""Unquote VANGARD
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> like Mr President GEJ and the VANGARD Newspaper have been
> listening to JUI on NaijaPolitics! Let's listen to those
> who disagree with JUI on this national imperative. Naijas
> are just simply a STRANGE LOT! JUI
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> ABUJA—PRESIDENT Goodluck Jonathan, said yesterday, that
> any discussion about convening a Sovereign National
> Conference in Nigeria should be forgotten, noting it was
> “highly irrelevant and unnecessary at this time.”
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> The President who said it was a waste of time for Nigerians
> to be talking about convening a National Conference,
> stressed that what was needed was good and visionary
> leadership to move the country forward.
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> He said: “Any talk about a convergence of the different
> ethnic groups should have taken place after the amalgamation
> in 1914 by Lord Lugard, and not this time when we are four
> years away from celebrating our centenary (100 years) as a
> nation. I believe it is irrelevant at this time because we
> have a 1999 Constitution, and a National Assembly, that
> should make good laws to govern our country.”
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> President Jonathan, who was speaking during a Presidential
> Policy Dialogue at the 16th Nigerian Economic Summit in
> Abuja, noted that the key to economic transformation lies in
> effective cooperation between the private and the public
> sector.
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> Speaking on the theme of the summit “ Nigeria at 50: The
> Challenge of Visionary Leadership and Good Governance,”
> the President lamented that after 50 years of independence,
> the country was still languishing in corruption.
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> He noted: “Every Nigerian is concerned whenever we are
> branded as one of the most corrupt nations in the world. As
> a government, we are devising ways and means of tackling the
> menace of corruption and to bring it to the barest minimum.
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> “We believe that the simple solution to corruption in the
> country lies in building and strengthening institutions that
> would fight corruption, by giving them a free hand. I can
> assure you that if we continue doing this, in the next five
> years, this whole thing about corruption will go down
> drastically.
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> “When people ask me about how we are fighting corruption,
> I wonder if I’m the policeman whose job it is to fight
> corruption. But, I guess, the work of the President is to
> strengthen and equip the policeman and give him a free hand
> to enable him to do work effectively.”
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> Jonathan added: “The problem we have now in the Niger
> Delta today is not militancy; our greatest headache in the
> region is the high scale bunkering going on in the
> place.”
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> He also urged the political class to exhibit discipline and
> lead by example, adding that the fight against corruption
> would amount to nought unless the politicians are willing to
> change.
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> The President added that the government has traced the
> issue of militancy to the era of late Isaac Boro, stating
> that it was now a thing of the past since the Federal
> Government has put in place the amnesty programme.
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> Amnesty programme
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> He admitted that although the amnesty programme was facing
> some hiccups, he nonetheless stated that the government was
> doing everything within its disposal to ensure the success
> of the projects
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> Raising alarm over the large scale bunkering going on in
> the Niger Delta region, the President said that right now,
> this was the greatest headache of government.
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> To reduce the grandiose bunkering, the President disclosed
> that he has mandated the Chief of Naval Staff to wade in
> with a view to preserving the country’s depleting wealth
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> On the recent spate of kidnapping going on in the South
> East, President Jonathan said it was criminal and done for
> purely commercial reasons.
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> Talking tough, the President said the government would not
> fold its hand and allow criminals to scare the citizens and
> investors coming into the country.
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> To demonstrate the government’s resolve, he said a lot of
> spending had been going on in the last few months to procure
> security equipments that would be deployed in fighting the
> criminals.
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> On the important role of power in the economy, the
> President blamed policy inconsistency on the past of
> government as one of the reasons for the poor power
> situation in the country, adding: “Investment in power is
> not consistent because of instability, the nation cannot
> grow without investment in power.”
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> Chairman of the Nigeria Economic Summit Group, NESG, Mazi
> Sam Ohuabunwa, said the nation was at a moment of great
> challenge and great opportunity.
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> He added: “Fifty years through different systems of
> government and several development strategies, a consensus
> has emerged on the need to unravel Nigeria’s development
> dilemma through the critical interrogation of the nexus
> between politics and the economy with a view to identifying
> issues which have constrained the creativity needed to
> superintend Nigeria towards the realisation of her manifest
> destiny, as a strong, prosperous and competitive nation.”
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