Dialogues: USA Africa Dialogue Series - RE: NigerianID | I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity

Idowu:

Please, QUIT misinformation! Note the following about the present Nigerian nation and what is ongoing politically and economically:

1. The call by some some Northerners that the Presidency is currently zoned to the North is A REGIONAL ISSUE, NOT AN ETHNIC MATTER; FACT! Even in the model Democracy of USA, there are still regional politicking among Northeasters, Southerners, Midwesterners and Pacific Interest Groups. These regional interests advocacies are often reflected in post-election appointments and citing of federal projects. That is a FACT! In fact, the Governor of Texas received some political heat about a year ago for suggesting, even at this age and state of USA that the South can go on her own as a nation. Besides, Quebec is STILL trying to seccede from Canada as we speak! Besides, from the WACO religious group to the Mormons in Uta, and other extremist or fundamentalist religious groups in the United States, I am sure you realize that religious crises are not unique to Nigeria. The point is you dont have any compelling case to make about an abnormality in the existence of minor dissident groups in Nigeria? You are not persuasive with this.

2. Corrupt and inept Nigerian leaders are derived from and present in ALL THE ETHNIC GROUPS in the nation; so if the proposed SNG is mainly anchored on ethnic nationalities, how are you solving the problems these leaders are taking to their ethnic groups, which is the real challenge Nigeria is facing, not the existence of multiple ethnic groups in one nation? In fact, it is becoming obvious that the continued clamors for SNG is a cup-out for Nigerian cowardice and the reluctance or inability of the citizens to panel-beat their leaders to perform. Besides, the ethnic-based clamors have provided refuges for corrupt and inept leaders to hide whenever they are targeted for accountabilility, since it is convenient to yell out that one is being targeted because of their ethnic background in Nigeria. It is an abuse for Nigeria!

We MUST QUIT ethnic jingoism to move Nigeria forward! Take care. JUI

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Sent: Sat 30-Oct-10 6:25 PM
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Subject: NigerianID | I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

"I have already queried Danjuma's expose that he doesnt know what to do with the $500 million he made from the Niger Delta, while the community and region he made the money is in environmental catastrophe, people can't fish, farm or make a living; and they are called militants even as they are actually fighting for survial; however, I dont see the connection with with Danjuma's position on a Stable and United Nigeria, a position I share with him."-JUI (aka 3 in 1).

JUI:

Your quote here is the best argument for SNC. If you think the clarion call by an ethnic group that a sitting president should be disqualified from contesting the presidency because he is from another part of the country is not justification for a discussion about the pros and cons of our union, then I don't know what else?

If you think electing a good leadership without restructuring the country on an acceptable terms to all stakeholders in the country, then you are living in bubbles.

If you think the beating of the drums of seccessionism, ethnic and religious war do not warrant for the stakeholders to seat down and discuss the union.

If you are ok with a national assembly whose members are armed robbers and drug pushers, then there is no need for SNC. If you are ok with a country someone like IBB, could still be nursing a very hopeful ambition to govern the country, then there is no need for SNC.

If you are ok with a country where being elected to an office, is your key to treasury looting with impunity, then there is no need for SNC.

If you are ok with a country, where a foreigner is more likely to be considered for a job instead a more qualified Nigerian because the individual is a Muslim, then there is no need for SNC.

If you are ok with a country where the rulers are the misfits and thugs in the society, then there is no need for SNC.

If you are ok with a country where criminals rule and the prosecutor is run out of town by those giving solace to criminals.

If you are ok with a country where your smart, intelligent and visionary son or grandson can not wake up one day and say I can be the president of Nigeria, then there is no need for SNC.

If you are ok with a country where a man who came out of prison with N20,000 in his bank account, and after 8 years is one of the richest person in Africa by serving in government, then there is no need for SNC.

Idowu
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson

"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel

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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

Yinka/Idowu:

I realize that most of us like to chase crickets and roaches during vital debates, especially as Weapons of Mass Distractions (WMDs) when we run out of valuable ideas. My Question to you is: What has the arguments against SNG, a call by Nigerian Ethnic Jingoists to continue to re-negotiate the notion for a United Modern Nigerian nation, generation after generations, and the position of JUI, a Nigerian who happens to be working for the CDC, or Danjuma's $500 million profit from oil exploration have in common? We Must learn and discipline ourselves to stay on issues, and throw the towel when we are out of ideas . I have already queried Danjuma's expose that he doesnt know what to do with the $500 million he made from the Niger Delta, while the community and region he made the money is in environmental catastrophe, people can't fish, farm or make a living; and they are called militants even as they are actually fighting for survial; however, I dont see the connection with with Danjuma's position on a Stable and United Nigeria, a position I share with him.

According to Ralph Obiroah of NADECO fame, "if I am fighting and calling for democracy, but you choose to name me a terrorist, it does abrogate the merit of the call for democray"! Take care. JUI

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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [NaijaPolitics] RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

Alagba Yinka:

This is another one taking counsel from diseases under his control?

No one can blame Danjuma, no one wants to change a system that he is a beneficiary. The man is sitting on top of $500m and who knows what Jonathan promised him to be the Chairman of the Jonathan Advisory Committee.

If Danjuma with all his wisdom and experience could not pick a good leader for Nigeria, how does he expect Nigerians suffering from maladministration battered people syndrome to pick in a structurally defective union.

Idowu
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson

"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel

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Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

Egbon Idowu:
Wanted to be sure that JUI was not taking counsel with the diseases under his control to agree with the diseased minded Danjuma that we don't need an SNC.
Yinka.

"After going around and around and around the same old mountain,may be it's time to finish the job.May be it's time to claim the promise.I dont know about you,but im tired of going around and around and around the mountain"-Rapheal Warnock"-

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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

Hehehehehehehehehe!!! Idowu Bobo! Take care. JUI (alias "3-in-1 WE")

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Alagba Yinka:

JUI is now a three in one. So his new title is "we" This is the new vocab in US now perfected by Sarah Palin, Christine Odonnell, Sharon Angle and other tea partiers. So JUI is borrowing from their playbook.

Idowu
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson

"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel

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Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [edo-nationality] RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

And who are the "we"?
Yinka.

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Subject: [edo-nationality] RE: I'm ready for war to keep Nigeria's unity - Danjuma

WESUPPORT Danjuma on the irrelevance of a National Conference to RE-DISCUSS the need for a Nigerian State or Why We Should Have a Nigerian Nation. The Challenge now is a Visionary Leadership to build and develop the nation, not subject her to a re-negotiation. Take care. JUI

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Subject: RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver||I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma

jing, my friend, you made me laugh...with that apt saying....speaking with food in the mouth. let us dare him to carry guns and forget his riches.

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Subject: RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver||I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma
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Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 1:06 PM

yeah peter,
your analysis makes a lot of sense. he should just keep quiet and eat his millions. it is bad manners to speak with food in the mouth!

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:39:51 -0700
Subject: RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver||I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma

jing my friend, i know general danjuma as a person, and i know that he meant what he was saying; but as one with half a billion dollars in his pocket amidst millions of poor starving peoples, who is to believe him; he has made his choice, as to who he thinks can fight corruption to a "stand still", but he did know the man he chose functioned only on the protection of baba obasanjo; once obasanjo was nowhere around, the criminal cabals went after ribadu, and ribadu ran away.....danjuma will be in no position whatsoever to protect baby ribadu from the cabal that will sure surround him, frustrate him and floor him, that is if he has a single chance at all of seeing aso rock...yet danjuma will throw his millions at ribadu. i get curious, darned curious, why danjuma countenances not Buhari. but i understand it some. Buhari will never, ever, allow a situation in very poor nigeria, where a single man reaps millions of dollars off of the common weal, no matter how. all them nigerian operators like danjuma are thus aware....the vast nigeria is their playground, wherein they reap what they please, at the expense of all of us....for that reason, baabangida countenances no snc, it is 'a no go area' for him as far as nigeria's being....danjuma now says he will go to war.....as the same snc is a no go area for him...this gets my blood boiling, when people are against what to me determines what is mine and what other's....now who is ready to take up arms against the danjumas and baabangidas to fight for the good of all and what belongs to all.....i mean these men are ready to fight to keep the status quo that is so good to them.....WHO AMONG THE YAPSTERS HERE IS WILLING TO TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST THOSE WHO PERPETUALLY WILL AGAINST ALL, UPON ALL? i mean, when danjuma says he is ready to pick up arms to fight, i recall rather quickly he and his ilk had arms 40 years ago to deny me freedom and security that i desired, and i want to say i count myself as one ready to fight, carry arms to fight for what i think is right for all in that godforsaken entity, a robbed and raped entity, some still want to keep as is because they get all they want from it, and the rest remain without.

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yeah right! "... make nigeria one great country" indeed. by doing what, bleeding her white. it is often terrible when people who helped in destroying nigeria carry out such media forays to conceal their true character. ironsi's wife once referred to danjuma as a coward; come to think of it, she's right.

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Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver||I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma

He is right on every point except that of the national conference. If I have 500 million dollars, I would say more than that!

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Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver||I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma

He said that the Obasanjo he knew in 1979 was not the one who presided over the affairs of Nigeria from 1999 to 2007....we would be called to rubber stamp because he had already given anticipatory approval.......danjuma

I’m ready for war to keep Nigeria’s unity — Danjuma

Saturday, 30 October 2010 05:42
Biodun Durojaiye

Former Defence Minister, General Theophilus Yakubu Danjuma has two words for the advocates of a Sovereign National Conference in Nigeria: Forget it. To him, convening such a forum would make the end of the country, an entity that he is ready to defend with his last blood. Even at 73, Danjuma declared on Thursday in Lagos, he is ready to take up arms to ensure that the oneness of the country is not tampered with.
He describes a Sovereign National Conference as a trip to court to end a marriage.

The Taraba State-born retired Army General made the declaration in a lecture he delivered on Thursday evening at the Lagos Country Club, Ikeja. The lecture was organised by the eminent social club.
Danjuma said: “Many people are saying we need to convene a National Conference to determine our existence. But I disagree with them. I am scared of (a) National Conference. Convening the National Conference country will be like going to a court to separate a marriage. At my age, I am ready to go to war to make Nigeria one great country.”
He also described the current National Assembly as the most expensive, least productive in the history of the country

His words: “The enormity of their allowances must be a genuine concern for us. The frequent changes in the leadership is a point to this fact, They are serving their own interest rather than the people who voted them into power. They lack the will and if the current trend continues, we are going to be in great problem in this country.”
Danjuma also used the occasion to express support for the candidature of Mallam Nuhu Ribadu, former chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) as the next president. He cited the “track records” of Ribadu in the war against corruption, which to him, has now reached “oceanic proportions.”
Danjuma said that Ribadu, a presidential aspirant of the Action Congress of Nigeria (can) is the best man for the job in 2011.
He said: “I recommend Nuhu Ribadu to you. He will fight corruption to a standstill. People must be held accountable. If not, they will get away with murder literally. If there is no restitution, we are sweeping the probe under the carpet because there is corruption of oceanic proportion in Nigeria.”
Danjuma also lambasted his former boss, former President Olusegun Obasanjo, for allegedly failing million of Nigerians at the latter’s second coming into power. He said that the Obasanjo he knew in 1979 was not the one who presided over the affairs of Nigeria from 1999 to 2007.
His words: “I was in the cabinet and I saw a totally different man. On so many occasions, when memos were brought, we would be called to rubber stamp because he had already given anticipatory approval. I strongly believed that Obasanjo was going to deliver but he failed.”
To the former Chief of Army staff, the problems of Nigeria rest solely on lack of good leadership, which he said explains why the nation has refused to move forward, 50 years after independence. He added that one good person at the top would turn the fortunes of the country around.
“The leadership problem is the issue. Leadership is very crucial to the survival of any nation. I am an absolute believer that one right man or woman can make it right in the life of a nation. Our country has so far been unlucky in this aspect,” Danjuma noted.
On the myriad of problems bedevilling the nation, Danjuma said this is not the time to apportion blames but to do something that would make the nation great in the comity of nations.
His words: “This is not the time to condemn others for what we perceive as their shortcomings. The nation has had so many of that.Whatever we have to offer, we should offer. Whatever anyone has to say, let him say. Whatever anyone can do, let him do.”
He continued: “The question is no longer what other persons have done or failed to do but what we have done or are doing to uplift our country. That is my expectation. The emphasis should be on what we can do for the nation, what we can do for others. That is the only way forward. I do not agree with people who keep quiet and say nothing about the problems of Nigeria. We must realise that we have something to offer the nation, objectively, to take it proper place. There are a lot of things to be corrected and it is our duty to correct them. I do not agree with those who have become resigned with the situations and have chosen to do nothing. The tenets of our country require radical change”
Danjuma noted that one of the major obstacles to creating progress on the part of the citizens “is lack of confidence in ourselves and total absence of pride in our country,” adding: “Each and every one of us has something to offer the nation and the world.”
He noted that it is good for a nation to have big dreams and to aim high “but we must take care not to overshoot the targets. In dreaming dreams we must be careful not to make fools of ourselves.”
He decried Nigerian’s lack of creativity even in the world of creative arts, saying: “We equate the Nollywood film industry to Bollywood without blushing.”
Danjuma said that at this time “when the nation is rife with every kind of factions and divisions, at a time when patriotism seems to be on the decline, I cannot but commend men and women like you who are committed to peace, progress and unity of the nation.” He added: “As you in this club place emphasis on the things which unite us rather than things which divide you, so it ought to be for our country.”
He argued that divided as Nigerians may seem to be, “the emphasis ultimately shall be on the things which unite us,” adding: “I am confident that in spite of all our differences, we shall come together in one strong united nation which shall be an example in eyes of the world and a pride for the black race.”
He said the Nigeria of his dream should be a truly democratic and free nation, transparently governed by knowledgeable, visionary, honest and pragmatic leaders who are accountable to all our people and are economically self reliant nation, where the majority of his people are gainfully employed.
Danjuma, who stated further that the Nigeria of his dream it one whose people would have a sense of history and respect for their cultural institutions, added that he felt sorry that “ we have destroyed or are fast destroying one of our most important cultural institutions, the village, at a time when we do not have a substitute.”
He continued: “We have replaced our villages with slums and the conditions in these slums have inhibited the cultivation of morals and given rise to all the vices that we have to contend with now.
He wants the government at all levels to fashion a programme which will enable the millions of Nigerians who have migrated to the cities return to the villages.

By Bimbo Ogunnaike

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69183:im-ready-for-war-to-keep-nigerias-unity-danjuma&catid=43:news&Itemid=799

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