Friday, December 24, 2010

USA Africa Dialogue Series - Let's drop this and Focus on moreimportant issues

 
OMO:
 
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
 
I am sure you will agree with me on this note:
 
I am CONSISTENT in my opinions even if you might consider some or all
of my opinions CONSISTENTLY wrong and off base.
 
So score me an A--for consitency!!!!
 
Nigeria will be great one day soon. But achieving that greatness will not come easy.
Prayers alone not even even by 100 million Nigerian Redeemites and 50 million more devoted Muslims 24/7 will not do it.
The daily yabis on the Internet (including the endless of cursing of the political leaders--they deserve it) even by the brightest of Diaspora Nigerians will also not do it.
 
Expounding economic theories without accompanying practical actions is probably also not the solution that
will solve the problems that face our people in Nigeria.
 
All the microcredit financing and Emergecy Driver Crash Programs will amount to nothing more than band
aid solutions if we dispense with the current realities of our dire situation. One can easily see evidence of such programs
all over Nigeria--from Poverty Eradication Program supplied tricycles, to the loans provided to poor traders and other examples. But have these programs lifted the overwhelming majority of Nigerians out of poverty?
 
If I were in your shoes I will be using my skills to provide the following in Nigeria:
 
1) adequate supply of affordable electrical energy supplies for domestic and industrial uses. This is the basic ingredient
for prosperity in an increasingly technology dependent world. The provision of every other important infrastructure only builds
on this item
 
2) revamp  the education system--Nigeria cannot be a rich nation if we keep up on producing a population 80% of
semilierate or illiterate citizenry. As recentky reported 80% of the candidates didnot achieve enough credits to merit a Diploma in the recently concluded WAEC exams. A country in which a significant number of her university graduates
can barely read or write comprehensible English is not one that is about to become a rich nation in the next ten years.
 
3) curb official corruption--(it cannot be eliminated).
A nation does need to be 100% corruption free in order to achieve economic progress. There are published studies
by eminent scholars which have indicating that corruption by itself alone is not necessarily the major drawback to socio-economic development,
 
Look after those three items--and Nigeria will be on her way to prosperity, if not in 10 years but definitely in 20 years!
Prosperity cannot happen overnight in Nigeria because we already have considerable inbuilt structural, infrastructural and educational deficits that need to be either corrected or accomodated before we can begin to see sunshine as we climb up from the hole we have dug for ourselves.
 
Bye,
 
Ola


 
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Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: NigerianID | Let's drop this and Focus on moreimportant issues

 

"The reason for the above conclusion is that even if by a magic wand we are able to eradicate
official corruption overnight in Nigeria and that Nigeria's resources are applied at an impossibl;e
100% efficiency, the situation will be definitely better in Nigeria but is unlikely to ever  approach that of a rich nation in the next ten years not to mention now.
 
This assertion is based on the reality of our demographics. Nigeria has a huge population. Any gains in productivity
e,g as expressed in increased GNP will be largely diluted when we we divide the GNP by the overall population to obtain the GDP..
A huge well educated young population is no doubt an admirable economic asset to any nation--either deleoped or developing.
The same is not true for a  country with a huge badly skewed population with almost 40% under 25 youths, the vast majority of whom are either poorly educated or have never attended school. A huge population of unskilled and and unemployable
young citizens constitutes a drag and not necessarily an asset to the socio-0economic growth of the country.
 " Dr. Ola 'Yahaya' Kassim


Dr. Ola,

Greetings-- I was following your 'epiphanic sojourn back to motherland' with ease until you decided to recoil back to your 'old self', delving into areas of disciplines you have ABSOLUTELY no expertise, namely Physical Economics.


-- First, how did you come to that non-scientific  conclusion that if corruption were abated and our resources applied efficiently over a period of 10 years, we would unlikely approach status of a rich nation?  I know where you are going ... rewind that statement and guage how unintelligent it sounds ... is 10 years the basis for a return on investment on 'long-term' national investment? so where does your random number proceed from..?

-- Second, on what basis does your non-scientific comparison of GDP as a factor of productivity factor into GNP as a measure of economic growth.? How exactly, do you measure GNP as a process of 'dubious' exponential increase in financial and monetary aggregates ( take current  USA for example as a rich nation ) compared to a sharp decline the physical aggregates ( machine tool production and manufacturing ) yet GNP is still HIGH ( yet high unemployment, declining skilled professionals), how would your 'definition of productivity' factor into that scenario ?


-- Lastly, you drove your point straight to d'coco ( the crux of your intent)-- your  over-population dilemma, the bane of Nigeria's under-development ... But even further you reveal your disdain for the future by castigating the 'almost 40% under 25' unskilled Youth as a drag on progress? What's your solution again Mr. Global Millenium Agenda--depopulation, right ? since Technological intervention even with visionary leadership  IS not a solution to your bru(I)tish dreams of  SUSTAINABLE economy, how do you suggest we get rid of the 'excess feeders' Dr. Yahaya?


I tire sef for you Dr. Ola, you dey show your nyash too much -- just like your Brirish sponsors, your Malthusian philosophy on 'limits to growth' is fueled by that anti-human mindset that rejects 'creativity' as a inherent function of every human--- have you heard of emergency scientific -driver crash programs as a way of galvanizing  'unskilled population' to productive work ? Have you heard of National Credit System operating within long-term low interest rates, to create legitimate debts, under which those so called 'expensive infrastructure' projects become part of dynamic long-term profit yeilding national pride? No, you aren't, rather seems you are obsessed with 'controlled sustainable disintegration' and 'money value ' as factors that drive a 'real economy'? We see where you are coming from, I rather you try a different angle to cloak your duplicity.

Cheers,


O.M.O.

   

 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:36 PM, OlaKassimMD@aol.com wrote:

 

 
 
Dear Brother Cyber Agbekoya (Olowo Ori Alhaja):
 
Thanks for your insightful and well thought out response to the provocative segments
in my last post on this thread. I apologize that some of my comments have upset your usual
self composed demeanour. But such is the nature of truth! It can be very bitter and unsettling especially when
presented without any sugar coating.
 
Incidentally, I also agree with most of your analysis about the Nigerian situation.
Not surprisingly, the only points of disagreement I have with your submission are those
areas in which you disagree with mine.
 
This response will address only those areas in which we disagree:
 
A) I stand by my assertion that notwithstanding her abundant natural and human resources,
Nigeria our beloved motherland, remains a poor country by world standards and is by any objective
measure an impoverished nation by western standards. Nigeria is poorer today than it was in
1960 when she obtained independence from Great Britain. I wish the reverse were true; but this
is the blunt truth. Nigeria can only be considered a rich nation in the company of her African neighbours outside of South Africa and Egypt.
 
I have travelled to many regions of the world including many developed and developing countries and the
the emerging economies including China, Malaysia Singapore etc. I believe I can reasonably tell at least subjectively a rich country
from a poor one.
 
One of the most enduring delusions suffered by many Nigerians including learned ones like yourself is the idea that
Nigeria is a wealthy country because it has oil reserves, mineral deposits, abundant fertile land and a huge young  population.
Nigerians often confuse the potential to be rich with the fact of being rich. Potentiality does not reality make!
 
How do we measure the wealth of a nation?
 
We may chose to apply some of the following objective measures either in aggregate
or piece meal. They are:
 
1) The Annual Wellness Index (WHO)
 
2) CIA World  Fact Book
 
3) GDP/GNP
 
4) Maternal and Infant Mortality Rates
 
5) Morbidity Rate
 
6) Life Expectancy
 
7) Population Growth Rate/Fertility Rate
 
8) Crude and Specific Death Rates
 
9) Literacy rates
 
10) Degree of Industrialization/Electrification
 
12) Foreign Currency Reserves
 
12) Happiness Index
 
13) Corruption Index--(e,g as per Transparency International)
 
14) Etc. etc. etc.
 
You will likely agree with me that with the exception of items #7 and #12
(i.e. population growth and fertility rates and Happiness Index)
  Nigeria regularly scores below the 25th percentile in annual published figures
in the above statistical data,
 
B) While I would agree that the socio-economic condition of the average Nigerian will
definetely improve with better governance orchestrated by well educated, patriotic, competent and honest leaders,
I am inclined to believe that such improvement will be marginal at best and that it might take
more than a decade to pull Nigeria out of its dire straits not to even meantion the nebulous
Vision 20:20 idea.
 
The reason for the above conclusion is that even if by a magic wand we are able to eradicate
official corruption overnight in Nigeria and that Nigeria's resources are applied at an impossibl;e
100% efficiency, the situation will be better in Nigeria but would be definitely but but is unlikely to ever  approach that of a rich nation i9n the next ten years not to mention now.
 
This assertion is based on the reality of our demographics. Nigeria has a huge population. Any gains in productivity
e,g as expressed in increased GNP will be largely diluted when we we divide the GNP by the overall population to obtain the GDP..
A huge well educated young population is no doubt an admirable economic asset to any nation--either deleoped or developing.
The same is not true for a  country with a huge badly skewed population with almost 40% under 25 youths, the vast majority of whom are either poorly educated or have never attended school. A huge population of unskilled and and unemployable
young citizens constitutes a drag and not necessarily an asset to the socio-0economic growth of the country.
 
I wish I could share your optimism for Nigeria under good guidance to the fullest. Unfortunately I am unable to do due to the
reality on the ground.
 
Nigeria is currently in a Catch 22 situation. We need sufficient electrical enregy supplies to power our economy out of its current moribund state
but the available resources are insufficient to to purchase all the power plants we require in order to be self sufffient in elecltrical power production without incurring massive and crippling foreign debts. Even if we can find a nuclear nation willing to sell Nuclea  Power plants to Nigeria, I doubt if we have sufficient resources left over
after addressing our annual recurrent recurrent and already commited capital expenditures. A good example of the inability of Nigeria to pay her way out of our economic misery is the stalled east west railways proposal by the ARRT--a Canada based Rail technology firm owned by a Nigerian which has worldwide operations including the latest one in Iraq. Even under a Public Private Partnership proposal, the FGN of Nigeria
is unable to pay for its own end of the deal with the rest provided by foreign private concerns.
 
C) finally I would agree readily that a more streamlined and less expensive governance model will defineetely leave a lot more resources for the development of Nigeria, than in the current situation whereby the legislative arms of the government consume 25% of the natural resources accruing to the FGN withoput running a single ministry.

In closing I will like to paraphrase Pastor Adeboye. I believe all will be well eventually for Nigeria--but it that it will take more than just prayers.
 
I hope you will give my rebuttal on our points of disagreement a second consideration and that you will banish from your conscious thought process any notion that Nigeria as currently configured is a rich nation. A nation in which more than 50% of the population survives on less than
$2.00 a day is hardly one that uis about to get rich quickly.
 
 
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year. Please keep some of the eran Ileya (ram meat) if you have
any left
as I will be back in Nigerian at the end of February 2011, God willing.
 
Bye,
 
Ola


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Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: [OmoOdua] --Let's drop this and Focus on moreimportant issues

 
Quote

Nigeria is a poor country with a rich taste. Governance in a country such as Nigeria is not an easy task. The resources available to governments at all levels are insufficient
to adequately address the gargantuan problems afflicting the people. Hence the need to cut the political leaders like OGD some flack, even while stressing that
they could still do a littlle better with the resources at hand

Unquote

Dr. Kassim,

I find the above segment from your response unfortunate. If I want to be charitable I will attribute it to your long stay outside the country. I disagree with everything you said and indeed imply here.

First you said, Nigeria is a poor country. I am sure we are not talking about the same Nigeria. What is 'poor' about Nigeria? Is it the large and very young population, the clement weather year round, the large expanse of arable land, or the minerals which abound. Do we talk about the ingenuity and dynamism of the population etc etc. Nigeria is not a poor country by any account.

You said the people have rich taste. I am sure you do not refer to the vast majority of people you must have come across during your visit to Nigeria. The young man with the diseased foot surely does not have rich taste, all he wants is decent health care and a chance to earn a living. Nigerians do not have rich taste, all we want is working infrastructure, the type you take for granted in Canada. There is nothing 'rich' about the tastes and expectations of the average Nigerian, all he wants from his govt is just the tools to have decent human existence like other people elsewhere.

There is nowhere in the world where governance is an easy task, that is why it is a task usually assigned to the best and brightest in any society. Unfortunately, for us, we are governed by dregs, some of whom have never held down a honest day's employment and some of whom would not be fit to supritend the cleaning of the community latrine. Those are the people with rich taste, those are the people who are casting the vast majority of Nigerians in abject penury.

When you say we should cut our leaders some slack because the available resources are insufficient to tackle the gargantuan problems we face, you open yourself to justifiable charges of insensitivity and criminal collusion with our oppressors. Our resources are more than enough if they are to be expended only towards the welfare of our people and not to cater for the opulent tastes of those you want us to cut some slack. I am sure you know Abuja well, and you can see the manner of life of our political elite, so pray sir, tell us, how there will be sufficient resources for govt hospitals to treat that young man, when we spend 25% of our govt overhead on our national assembly. If you factor in, what is spent on the Federal executive, the state executive and the over 700 local govts, how do you think there will be available resources. By the time you add what is pilfered, then it is a miracle that anything is left for the people. Yet, you ask that we cut this people some slack!

It is shocking that an adult Nigerian will claim that the govt 'could do a little better' with the available resources. If the rogues ruling us will stop stealing and make way for those with competence, vision and dynamism, we would not just be a little better, we would be a completely different country.

As someone who sleeps and wakes each blessed day, in the jungle that is Nigeria today, I find your comments ignorant, insensitive and offensive!

-Cyber, oko Alhaja meji
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Nigeria
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:43:21 -0500
Subject: [OmoOdua] DID YOUR YINKA ODUMAKIN SAY THIS?--Let's drop this and Focus on more important issues

 


Dear Yemi:
 
Please let this matter rest!
 
As you will definitely recall I informed you during our last telephone conversation
(while you were still in Ngeria) that I have decided not to pursue a legal redress for the unwarranted slanderous
accusations directed at my person by Yinka Odumakin. This is because launching such a lawsuit would be
incompatible with my usual advice against fellow Nigerians suing one another for alleged libelous statements made on the
 Internet (e.g Emeka Ugwuonye Vs Bolaji Aluko, Val Ojo et al and a few cases).
 
I will let the words in my last rejoinder to Yinka Odumakin stand on this matter.
By boldly asserting unsubstantiated allegations of corruption against me,
Yinka Odumakin stands forever mightily diminished in my presence, if not in the presence of others.
While his slander against me is not necessarily unforgivable,
I can assure you that it is an unforgettable transgression. I have a memory on issues like this that is almost comparable to the proverbial
longlasting memory of the elephant. I can forgive; but I will never forget!
 
Again--please let this matter rest.
 
It is Xmas time--a Season to be Jolly--not one to dwell on transgressions directed at us by fellow human beings.
Pity him for his ignorance!
 
 
-------------
 
Moving on to more important issues---
 
I am back in Toronto for Xmas. I survived Lagos including a serious MVA on Ikorodu Road on the way to the MM International Airport on my way out of Nigeria --in which a
Molue conductor who was hanging outside of his vehicle almost lost his life. Luckily for him and all others concerned  he suffered only a few minor abrasions on both legs.
 
I enjoyed Abuja and I was also able to spend some blissful happy moments
with my 97 year old  aunt at Aiyepe, Ogun state--my paternal hometown.
 
On another matter, while my support for your personal political aspirations in Nigeria remains as unflinching as ever,
(no matter your political affiliation) please let OGD know that his government is not popular amongst the masses at Aiyepe. For whatever reason
the people blame their dire socio-economic conditions primarily on the OGD government and secondarily on the Chairman
and the Councillors at the Odogbolu-Aiyepe-Okunowa local goverment. The Jonathan led FGN is so far removed
from the lives of the ordinary citizens that it might as well not exist. The people sneer at the mention of their Senator and the
member to the House of Reps in Abuja considering the only dividends of democracy they see are the few mansions these
politicians have built or are building for themselves --(the occassional islands of opulence and glutonny in a vast ocean of poverty, hunger and disease)
in the town.
 
For the sake of fairness I would be remiss not to mention that I also observed some concrete positive edifices that were built by the
OGD government.
 While driving back to Lagos on the Ijebuode Sagamu Highway, I noticed some of the positive infrastructures built by the the OGD government.
The state stadium and the adjoining NYSC camp are no doubt well built and maintained. The Awo Statue near the entrance to Ikenne from the highway
is magnificent. We also drove by the impressive current and future campuses of the Olabisi Onabanjo Teaching hospital in Sagamu. The campus is impressive.
I also noticed the low cost housing units by the side of the highway in Ikenne that are in the final stages of construction. Though privately owned, the magnificent and
well maintained  academic campus of Babcock University in Ilishan should be a pride to all Ogun citizens. I have not visited Abeokuta, Ago-Iwoye and other regions
of Ogun state in almost three decades, but I am aware that some progress is also beind made in these cities, for example highway construction and other infrastructure
projects. Please let OGD know that Aiyepe is badly in need of a major job creating infrastructure project!
 
Nigeria is a poor country with a rich taste. Governance in a country such as Nigeria is not an easy task. The resources available to governments at all levels are insufficient
to adequately address the gargantuan problems afflicting the people. Hence the need to cut the political leaders like OGD some flack, even while stressing that
they could still do a littlle better with the resources at hand
.
 
My people at Aiyepe complain that they have not received any personal  dividends even after almost twelve years of democratic government.
The people are mostly jobless and hungry. The population of the town is slowly increasing as dispirited unemployed and unemployable young men in their twenties
and thirties are returning home unable to cope in Lagos, Ibadan, Abuja and other major cities due to high level of unemployment. A few of these young men are now engaging in armed
robbery while I saw   two who had arrived back in town with serious infectitious diseases.
 
 While at Aiyepe I was asked to see a 28year old man with a massively swollen right foot with multiple
protruding necrotic fungal "tumor" masses. I concluded at first sight that what he unfortunately brought back home after a hellishly rough life in Lagos is a classic textbook
case of "Madura Foot"--a fungal disease which was being wrongly treated with anti-bacterial agents instead of antifungal drugs. Neither he nor his family can afford the
cost of the drugs. I advised the local doctor to refer him to Olabisi Onabanjo Teaching Hospital, Sagamu which is currently not accepting patients as the staff are on strike
or to UCH in Ibadan. Either way, I promised to obtain and send the required medications upon my return to Toronto
 
 The only positive aspects of life in Aiyepe and
probably most other small towns and villages in Nigeria are the resillient positive spirit of the people which belie their daily sufferings and the meticulous attention they
devote to ensuring clean surroundings. PHCN seems never able to provide electricity for more than 3 hours every other
day, the roads both major and minor remain untarred as they have always been since the early 1960s. Most of the old heritage houses are deserted
while those inhabuted are poorly maintained.
 
While driving back to Lagos on the Ijebuode Sagamu Highway, I noticed some of the positive infatsurctures built by the the OGD government.
The state stadium and the adjoining NYSC camp are no doubt well built and maintained. The Awo Statue near the entrance to Ikenne from the highway
was magnificent. We also drove by the impressive current and future campuses of the Olabisi Onabanjo Teaching hospital in Sagamu. The campus is impressive.
 
Things are back to the past --pre 1960s in Nigeria. At night the people the masses who cannot afford to buy generators and diesel oil reach
out for Atupa. Others reach out for contraptions like Oju ti NEPA--which has now been updated courtesy of the Chinese--just as was predicted
about a year ago. More on that later!
 
The Nigerian manufacturing sector is on its knees! We cannot manufacture our own Oju Ti NEPA in large quantities. The Chinese had to do it for us.
 
The Nigeria of the Buskas--the rascal sons of bad fathers is not the one I wish to retire to. Solution--lets send the Buskas to deserted islands
or some oases in thethey are the ones destroying Nigeria:)
 
Bye,
 
Ola
 
Please call me before Xmas day. I have changed my cellphone. I am yet
to transfer my contact info. into the new one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Agbejoro Yemo <yagbejoro@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 12:00 pm
Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] DID YOUR YINKA ODUMAKIN SAY THIS?

 
From: "yinka odumakin" <yod2011@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] President Jonathan Offered Us $50,000 Bribe, But We Returned It - PastorTunde Bakare Confirms

 
Olola Kassim:
Can you tell me one act of integrity you have lived in your useless life devoted to crooked collaboration with Nigerian thieves?
If you are not cheating your NIDO colleagues of land in Abuja,you are enmeshed in allegations of money laundering for ObJ.
Upon all,when o saw you in Atlanta you appeared like a PDP thug that just graduated from Adedibu's place.
No,you resembled an omo onile(you are a land grabber)
If you are not shameless,should a rogue like you put your "jegudujera" mouth in the discourse of decent people.
You lack integrity and should keep your "jibiti" mouth shut.
I'm devoting some time to you.

Yinka.


"After going around and around and around the same old mountain,may be it's time to finish the job.May be it's time to claim the promise.I dont know about you,but im tired of going around and around and around the mountain"-Rapheal Warnock"-


-------------
Y.Agbejoyo

Fire-for-fire"
"Ziggilization"

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Agbejoro Yemo <yagbejoro@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Agbejoro Yemo <yagbejoro@yahoo.com>
Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| DID YOUR YINKA ODUMAKIN SAY THIS?
To: "NigerianWorldForum" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>, "Naija Observer" <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>, "Omoodua" <omoodua@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "yinka odumakin" <yod2011@hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 4:58 PM

 
From: "yinka odumakin" <yod2011@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] President Jonathan Offered Us $50,000 Bribe, But We Returned It - PastorTunde Bakare Confirms

 
Olola Kassim:
Can you tell me one act of integrity you have lived in your useless life devoted to crooked collaboration with Nigerian thieves?
If you are not cheating your NIDO colleagues of land in Abuja,you are enmeshed in allegations of money laundering for ObJ.
Upon all,when o saw you in Atlanta you appeared like a PDP thug that just graduated from Adedibu's place.
No,you resembled an omo onile(you are a land grabber)
If you are not shameless,should a rogue like you put your "jegudujera" mouth in the discourse of decent people.
You lack integrity and should keep your "jibiti" mouth shut.
I'm devoting some time to you.

Yinka.


"After going around and around and around the same old mountain,may be it's time to finish the job.May be it's time to claim the promise.I dont know about you,but im tired of going around and around and around the mountain"-Rapheal Warnock"-


-------------
Y.Agbejoyo

Fire-for-fire"
"Ziggilization"

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