Olu:
Thanks very much for this offer.
I am an Anglican (my Church is All Saints Anglican Church in Hyattsville, MD; do visit sometime), but I episodically attend the Jesus House Redeemed Church (Pastor Olaoye Gandhi is pastor of the Church) here in the Washington DC area. However, I really don't need to have the "comprehensive scholarly researched piece on the history of RCCG" or of Pastor Adeboye for that matter. The Bible - and therefore the (auto)biography of Jesus Christ - is sufficient for me.
I hereby am moved to warn RCCG members reading me to RESIST the temptations to deify Pastor Adeboye - I do see the tendency of that in a lot of members, not only of the Pastor, but of THE pastors of their churches. I can see everybody flying about in defence of RCCG, offering all kinds of information about the church! :-)
Secondly, I am amused about all this Bakare/RCCG palava. When Bakare and Odumakin visited the Washington DC area late last year - and NDERG/NDLF hosted the duo, with I as main private host in the DC area - I SPECIFICALLY called Pastor Gandhi to ask to use his Church hall to receive Pastor Bakare's anticipated public audience. I told Pastor Gandhi that I was AWARE of Bakare's past with the RCCG, and would that be a problem?
Absolutely not, said Pastor Gandhi, provided he was not coming to preach against RCCG - which of course he was not! And Pastor Bakare had ABSOLUTELY no objection in using the Church premises when I told him about it.
So all this "defection" of Bakare from RCCG as some problem is only the figment of the imagination of some people. In reality, it is a non-issue.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
PS; Those who are members of Pastor Gandhi's Jesus House in Maryland can ask him to confirm what I just wrote. He is a complete gentleman and a confident man of God.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM, <employlawone@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Prof,
If you are interested I can send you a comprehensive scholarly researched piece on the history of RCCG.
With Regards
OluSent using BlackBerry® from Orange
From: Triple a Thegenius <a3_tripleagenius@yahoo.com>Sender: OmoOdua@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:35:48 -0800 (PST)To: <OmoOdua@yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo: OmoOdua@yahoogroups.comCc: NaijaPolitics e-Group<NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com>; nigerianid@yahoogroups.com<nigerianID@yahoogroups.com>; USAAfrica Dialogue<USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: [OmoOdua] On Bakare's Defection from the RCCG to Form Latter Rain......{Re: BUHARI LEADS THEM ALL....NATURALLY.... IBK PLEASE PERUSE THIS LEARN THE TRUTH!!
Prof,You should get the info here:There is a more comprehensive biography of him. I cant recall the title now but every Christian in Lagos carries one....
From: Mobolaji ALUKO <alukome@gmail.com>
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Dear All:Thanks for this information ...but the issue goes BEYOND who founded the Church that MIGHT HAVE BECOME RCCG:
(1) when was it NAMED the RCCG, and who so named it - Adeboye or Akindayomi?(2) what denomination was Adeboye BEFORE he "defected" to RCCG?
Thanks.Bolaji AlukoOn Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:31 AM, DIPO ENIOLA <dipoeniola@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Mobolaji ALUKO <alukome@gmail.com>
Subject: [OmoOdua] On Bakare's Defection from the RCCG to Form Latter Rain......{Re: BUHARI LEADS THEM ALL....NATURALLY.... IBK PLEASE PERUSE THIS & LEARN THE TRUTH!!
To: "NaijaPolitics e-Group" <NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com>, "nigerianid@yahoogroups.com" <nigerianID@yahoogroups.com>, "USAAfrica Dialogue" <USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com>, "OmoOdua" <OmoOdua@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 10:22 AM
Albert Ayeni:You wrote, with some disapproval that:QUOTEPastor Bakare defected from the Redeemed Christian Church of God also because of irreconcilable differences (with the biggest Church in Nigeria).UNQUOTECorrect me if I am wrong: you are NOT Roman Catholic, are you? Yet you are a Christian, are you not?Then you are a member of the Protestant Church whose founder, Martin Luther, DEFECTED from the BIGGEST CHURCH in the world in 1521- the then Roman Catholic Church!Voila!Besides, I do not think that Pastor Adeboye himself was born an RCCG member, since he was the Church's founder. Therefore he too must have DEFECTED from another LARGER Church - maybe the Anglican Church, the LARGEST Church in Nigeria right now?So, please let us look for other reasons against Bakare: not closet Muslim (his mother Abigail was Christian, his Muslim father died when Bakare was aged 2), defector from the largest Church in Nigeria, etcheram, ad nauseum...And there you have it.Bolaji AlukoPS: By the way, Bakare has been plunged into politics, just as Luther was plunged into marriage:"Suddenly, and while I was occupied with far different thoughts," Luther wrote to Wenceslaus Link, "the Lord has plunged me into marriage.""
--- In NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com, Peter Claver Oparah <peterclaver2000@...> wrote:
>
> Biggest church in Nigeria? Funny. how did you come about it? By the number of
> signboards in Lagos?
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> Von: Adebayo Adejuwon adeadejuwon@...
> An: NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com; NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com;
> NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com; ogonna@...; usgemology@...;
> mkghs@...; eddyogunbor@...; sulaymandauda@...
> CC: talknigeria@yahoogroups.com; Naija Politics naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com;
> ibk@...; igbo_forum@yahoogroups.com; igboevents@yahoogroups.com;
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> ibo-benei-yisrael@yahoogroups.com; okibe1@...
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 3. Februar 2011, 4:10:41 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [NaijaPolitics] RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re:
> BUHARI LEADS THEM ALL....NATURALLY.... IBK PLEASE PERUSE THIS & LEARN THE
> TRUTH!!
>
> Â
> Pastor Bakare defected from the Redeemed Christian Church of God also because of
> irreconcilable differences (with the biggest Church in Nigeria..........
>
>
>
> Albert Ayeni
>
>
> Are you serious at all? The who world is reading you? Bakare left Redeem? So
> what? What has that God to do with his being VP to Buhari?
> Bakare left Redeem because of irreconciliable difference. So, if the difference
> was irreconciliable what should Bakare have done? Remain there? And what are
> these irreconciliable diiferences? Tell the world/ Did bakare not leave Deeper
> Life?
>
> But why did you forget to mention that Bakare established the first model church
> of RCCG at Ladipo Oluwole? Why did you forget taht he was not accused of
> stealing or impregnating another man's wife?
>
> Albert, get serious for a change.
>
>________________________________
> From: Triple a Thegenius a3_tripleagenius@...
> To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com; NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com; Nigerian
> Observer group naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com; ogonna@...;
> adeadejuwon@...; usgemology@...; mkghs@...;
> eddyogunbor@...; sulaymandauda@...
> Cc: talknigeria@yahoogroups.com; Naija Politics naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com;
> ibk@...; igbo_forum@yahoogroups.com; igboevents@yahoogroups.com;
> igboworldforum@yahoogroups.com; abiausa@yahoogroups.com;
> ibo-benei-yisrael@yahoogroups.com; okibe1@...
> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 5:10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re:
> BUHARI LEADS THEM ALL....NATURALLY.... IBK PLEASE PERUSE THIS & LEARN THE
> TRUTH!!
>
> Â
> Woza Albert!
>
> You are really funny. We should let a Niger Delta man occupy the presidency so
> they can have their own turn at spoiling Nigeria? Na wa for you o.
>
> So what if Bakare defected from Redeem, the so-called biggest church? Would you
> have had a prob with him if he had defected from the biggest shrine or the
> biggest Catholic church? Is he the first pastor to leave Redeem? What of Pastor
> Igbodalo? Is that the only church pastors have defected from? You want me to
> give you a load down of those who have left Winners Chapel in VERY controversial
> circumstances?
> You then proceed to allocate position to Bakare and Buhari in GEJ's govt...are
> you naive or idealistic?
>
> AAA
>
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Albert Ayeni ayeni982000@...
> To: Nigerian World Forum nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com; Nigerian Observer
> group naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com; ogonna@...; adeadejuwon@...;
> usgemology@...; mkghs@...; eddyogunbor@...;
> sulaymandauda@...
> Cc: talknigeria@yahoogroups.com; Naija Politics naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com;
> ibk@...; igbo_forum@yahoogroups.com; igboevents@yahoogroups.com;
> igboworldforum@yahoogroups.com; abiausa@yahoogroups.com;
> ibo-benei-yisrael@yahoogroups.com; okibe1@...
> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:21:22 PM
> Subject: [NaijaPolitics] RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re:
> BUHARI LEADS THEM ALL....NATURALLY.... IBK PLEASE PERUSE THIS & LEARN THE
> TRUTH!!
>
> Â
> Dear Peter:
>
> I am sorry to say, your doctor's prescription for the Nigeria that I know is
> WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!! Your doctor did not do a good job of diagnosing Nigerian
> problems and the intrinsic capacities of the candidates, and that is why his
> prescription cannot be right. These are my seven reasons why I believe your
> doctor is wrong:
>
> 1. First and foremost on my list:the GMB/Bakare ticket cannot effectively tackle
> what I consider to be the number onechallenge Nigeria must deal with decisively
> from 2011 onwards: The Niger Delta problem --- the millstone on Nigeria's neck!
> Former VP Abubakar described it as the scar on Nigeria's conscience, but I
> prefer to call it the sore on Nigeria's consicence. Your doctor totally
> discountenanced this problem and many others. Where injustice has reigned for
> over 50 years, that problem of injustice must be dealt with first before Nigeria
> can really find the way forward.Put 10 GMB/Bakares there, it will not matter at
> all, and I believe this without a shadow of doubt. Why has the Delta Region
> remained among the poorest regions of the country, in spite of the wealth that
> has been harvested from that part of the country since 1960 to develop the rest
> of Nigeria (never mind most of the wealth was looted by Nigerians)? The rest of
> Nigeria must stand up to this question, and now is the time! Also, why is it
> that the wealth carted away from the Delta Region has not been effectively
> utilized to develop the country? It is money looted unjustly, so it cannot be
> used to accomplish much good. Even some of our brothers from that part of the
> country were put to death for justly demanding their rights and the rest of the
> country looked the other way --- as if nothing happened! How can Nigeria truly
> make progress in this kind of messy situation? I leave this to everyone's
> imagination.
>
>
> At this point in our development, the leader that will help us tackle the
> problem most realistically must come from that part of the country. Either
> President GEJ or Dr. Pat Utomi currently on the list of contestants would fit
> this bill. No one else in the running even comes close --- and that is the
> truth. Solve the Delta problem and Nigeria will start making progress. It is not
> just by chance that we have contenders to the leadership position coming from
> that part of the country this time around. We may not find them the most
> qualified to hold the office, but that is merely human judgment which is always
> trumped by the wisdom and will of God. We must do our best NOT to throw away
> what I see as a golden opportunity to respond positively to the offer before us.
> With PEACE in the Delta Region, Nigeria will start to experience peace of mind
> and we can plan effectively for the future of a united and strong nation.
>
> 2. Nigeria runs a democratic government guided by a Constitution where
> leadership must employ tenacious negotiation skills guided by the rule of law to
> accomplish meaningful consensus on topical national issues including corruption
> and indiscipline. The GMB/Bakare ticket lacks the track record, temperament,
> tolerance, endurance and stamina to withstand such political demands.Their
> experience as consensus builders is unknown and very doubtful. GMB's CPC could
> not work out an alliance with ACN and/or any other parties. GMB bolted away from
> ANPP due to irreconcilable differences. Pastor Bakare defected from the Redeemed
> Christian Church of God also because of irreconcilable differences (with the
> biggest Church in Nigeria). I cannot see either of these two men seeing anything
> good in what anyone else may suggest. With such characters, it is unimaginable
> the kind of chaos they will throw our fledgling democracy into should they get
> to power. How will they work amicably with a Legislative body that represents so
> many interest groups???
>
>
> 3. Though a decent man as most of us believe, GMB has two many enemies in the
> Nigerian political landscape and will find it nearly impossible to move the
> country forward because of several controversial arguments that are bound to
> develop between the executive and the legislative arms of government. They will
> be at each others throat throughout his administration, and Nigeria will be the
> worse for it.
>
> 4. GMB will serve the country better as the Leader of EFCC in the coming
> administration if he is really interested in helping to clean up the Nigerian
> system of corruption and indiscipline. This is a full-time job and he will be an
> exemplary leader in that office.
>
> 5. Pastor Bakare will serve Nigeria better as the voice of the common man
> outside the political establishment. In the Nigeria of 2011-2015, he cannot be
> an effective fighter for the common man from within the establishment. As VP he
> must take an oath to implement the Nigerian imperfect Constitution framed to
> protect and accommodate the interests of ALL citizens in a secular state, not
> just the members of SNG, CPC, or the Latter Rain Church. How will he do this
> without compromising his fiery godly figure?
>
>
> 6. Pastor Bakare's integrity has been thrown into question by some allegations
> made against him which are yet to be refuted publicly. Some of them that border
> on Spiritual matters bother me extremely. Can I really trust him?
>
>
> 7. The duo has practically no track record of ability to handle the challenges
> of development in the 21st Century. Corruption and indiscipline, the two things
> on which the two seem to agree, are just a component of the myriad of challenges
> Nigeria must confront to accelerate growth and development in the coming years.
> Apart from detesting corruption and indisciplinewhat experience do the two have
> to convince Nigerians that they know how to handle the tonnes of challenges
> confronting Nigeria? Can the two strong-willed highly opinionated individuals
> actually work together successfully? I am not sure anyone has an answer to this
> question. Even on corruption and indiscipline does anyone know they can agree on
> the approach to adopt to tackle the problems --- the Muslim and Christian
> approaches may run parallel or opposite each other and that could create an
> instant logjam!
>
> I rest my case!
>
> Be blessed, Albert
>
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