what respectable outlet has not said the same? he said he was glad that this intervention occurred.
this is very simple. sometimes the truth is that simple.
as for this claim:
"Notwithstanding that Gadhaffi could never be a poster boy for the promotion of human rights
of Libyan citizens, it is claimed that he still commands the support of the majority
(however small the majority is) of
his people, even as he also has many Libyans who are opposed to his rule."
what hasn't been claimed? considering the source, claims coming from his mouth, or mouthpieces, have no credibility. and in this case, it is patently obvious that without a democratic vote any such claim would be nonsense. were we to wait until the egyptians or tunisians voted, to determine who supported or opposed their regimes, we would be waiting still, waiting till the cows come home.ken
On 3/26/11 12:25 PM, olakassimmd@aol.com wrote:
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Chima:Have you ever asked yourself why thousands of Nigerians,your fellow compatriots, deserted Nigeria to live in Libya?Could it be that they were looking for a better life?--a better life made possible for Libyan citizens by Gadhaffi through a much more efficientutilization of their natural and human resources than Nigerian leaders have beenable to achieve since independence.Have you taken a moment to compare the CIA World Fact Book and the UN's Annual WellnessIndex statistics on Libya with that of Nigeria--a fellow member of OPEC?Have you ever compared the poor socioeconomic plight of Libyans (who mostly impoverished nomads)before 1969 and now over four decades later under Gadhaffi?Notwithstanding that Gadhaffi could never be a poster boy for the promotion of human rightsof Libyan citizens, it is claimed that he still commands the support of the majority(however small the majority is) ofhis people, even as he also has many Libyans who are opposed to his rule.Show us anywhere in the world with either a socialist/communist, theocratic or democraticgovernance in which the the rulers have 100% support of the people (i.e. no opposition).There are also many citizens in the Peoples Republic of China who opposeCommunist rule and who prefer democratic governance.Why didn't the west form a coalition to drop bombs on China after the massacreat Tien Men Square the same way they are dropping bombs on Libya as if theyare toy balloons?I truly believe that we Nigerians have neither a legitimate nor sturdy pulpits from which we can deliverany lectures to Libyans about how their country should or should notbe governed any more than Gadhaffi had any right to have suggested as he did thatNigeria should be divided into a Muslim North and a Chistian South. The ignoranceexhibited in Gadhaffi's uninformed pronouncement on Nigeria is paralleled by the statements emanatingfrom some on these listservs who are blindly supporting the deadly and destructive warbeing waged on the peoples of Libya by a coalition of western nations--whose maininterest is in Libyan oil resources and not the people.The USA and her allies are violating international convention by attacking Libya
.If the Libyan opposition could have mustered majority support in a free and fairand fair electoral process they would be opting for true democracy and not apseudo-democracy that would be won through the barrel of the gun after sacrificing the mainopponent.If the West had had the interests of ordinary Libyans at heart--they wouldhave limited their actions to economic blockade and enforcement of a NO FLYZONE over Libyan territory --which does not even in its most licentious definition extend to thekilling Libyan soldiers (unless provoked by them) and innocent civilians.Bye,Ola
-----Original Message-----
From: Chim Ahanotu <celebrateng@yahoo.com>
To: NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Libya returnees recount ordeal: Nowa, Dr. Kassim and MsJoe you comments, please!
Menre,You are a deceit. Since Europeans and their Allies are your enemy oya set up your African Forces to fight them! Our true enemy is African leaders. They have refused to reject corruption, deceit, and structural inequality. They have mebraced hatered and nepotism and exported agents of wickedness and hate to Diasporas who even though they live comfortably in abroad choses to hate the hands that feed them. Menre, the greatest enemy of Africans are African leaders, and not the Europeans or Americans.Chima Ahanotu
From: menre ayes <Menreayes@hotmail.com>
To: naijapolitics naijapolitics <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 3:33:19 PM
Subject: RE: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Libya returnees recount ordeal: Nowa, Dr. Kassim and MsJoe you comments, please!
Dear All,The issue at hand is how we Africans can help the Libyan people secure their country from European invaders. Would there be death of Nigerians this way if the Europeans did not attack Libya? Of course not. So, do not blame the Federal Government alone, blame the Europeans for attacking Libya. The Europeans are the enemies of Africa. Those Nigerians that died were killed by European bombs.
Menre
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From: dupeodus@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:55:10 +0000
Subject: RE: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Libya returnees recount ordeal: Nowa, Dr. Kassim and MsJoe you comments, please!
Nigerians, please think!!! Even if Jonathan Goodluck was the best of candidates, the story below of what happened to Nigerians in the Libyan crises is enough to cost him the presidency in countries where leaders are held accountable. Why should it take a goverment 3 weeks to procure a plane to remove its citizens from a crises torn country? This level of imcompetence that permeates every aspect of our lives is intolerable!
Modupe
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From: celebrateng@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:14:34 -0700
Subject: [NaijaPolitics] Re: Libya returnees recount ordeal: Nowa, Dr. Kassim and MsJoe you comments, please!
MsJoe,
Below is a story filed by a Nigerian Newspaper. What do you have to say?
Chima
Libya returnees recount ordeal
'Corpses of Nigerian babies, pregnant women litter the streets'
By UCHE USIM
Friday, March 25, 2011
Imagine a pregnant woman giving birth on dirty linen in the cold without medical support, food or shelter? That is part of the sad stories on the harmattan-smitten lips of many Nigerians, who returned home recently from war-torn Libya. Majority of the returnees are yet to recover from the shock; you can see the physical and emotional scars of the civil strife on their sullen faces.
They alleged that they were abandoned to their fate in the harsh cold of the Arab country, at the mercy of wicked soldiers loyal to the country's ruler, Muammar Gaddafi. On Sunday night, another batch of 185 Nigerians arrived from Libya via Tunisia aboard Air Malta.
While still in a jubilant mood having arrived Nigeria safely after a harrowing experience in Libya, news filtered in that their luggage did not accompany them. Expectedly, they were jolted and some of them swore not to leave the airport without their belongings, which they had laboured to acquire.
In the interim, about 60 of them were taken to the Hajj Camp section of the Murtala Muhammed International (MMIA), Lagos, where this reporter caught up with them.
On arrival, the officials of the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) gave each returnee N5 ,000 to transport them to their final destinations. However, that did not pacify them as they claimed that the money was not enough to take them to their respective destinations, having spent part of it to buy food, water and drugs while they awaited the arrival of their luggage. When the reporter got to the camp earlier in the week, most of the returnees were asleep, while some murmured helplessly in low tones.
As soon as they noticed that the reporter was from Daily Sun, they rushed for the tape recorder and started narrating their ordeal in that country. They claimed that they were not doing badly in Libya before the war erupted. They also alleged that Nigerian airplanes came rather late to evacuate them.
The returnees said they were taken to the airport in Tripoli with the hope that they would be airlifted within a few days, but were shocked that they had to stay there for two to three weeks without adequate food, water, clothes and shelter.
Some said they watched helplessly as many Nigerians, especially pregnant women, infants and the sick died of hunger and deprivation. They also revealed that able-bodied Nigerians who dared argue with Gaddafi's soldiers were shot dead instantly. Some said they bribed the soldiers almost daily to buy back their lives from Gaddafi's troops.
"The soldiers robbed us at will and you dared not argue with them. The camp at Tripoli Airport was a rowdy place. There was constant breakdown of law and order and each time there was crisis, we would pray for our airplane from Nigeria to land on time. We saw the planes from Ghana. They came regularly. We also saw those of the other countries too. It was really a horrible experience for us. We lived each day as if it was the last. The soldiers were mean. In fact, a young Nigerian was killed right in my presence. I had to hide my head that night," a young lady lamented.
While some are thanking their stars having escaped death by the whiskers, others are blaming the government for not coming to their rescue immediately. Another returnee, Omoh Ogbebo, told his story: "My experience in Libya was horrible. I just thank God that I'm back here, but I'm also sad. We could not find our property even when they brought us and dropped us at the airport. We are yet to see our property. As I am here, I am with only one shirt and trouser, I don't have anything, apart from the 5, 000 naira they gave us in Libya. In fact, the situation over there is very terrible.
"Even when we were in Libya, when the war became too much for us to continue staying there, we decided to go to the airport. We stayed in the airport for more than three weeks. We were very hungry and the only way we could survive at the airport was to beg. We used to cook in the airport because we couldn't go out because of the fighting.
"Some Nigerians died and left their babies behind. Some pregnant mothers died at childbirth, leaving their day-old babies behind. How do you take care of a day-old baby in the cold without food, good shelter and proper medical care? In fact, we don't even know where such babies are now because everybody was running to stay alive.
We saw Nigerians dying on the street like chickens. We could not take our bath for more than three weeks, there was no food and the whole place was just a mess. We used to see Ghanaian nationals going home everyday. But our own government did not bring an airplane to evacuate us on time. Even our ambassador used to come and make promises, but all to no avail. Even when they came, they wouldn't even address us well. They treated us like trash. All I came back with is just a shirt and a trouser. We are even finding it difficult to feed now. We can't even get water to drink. I am going to Benin, but I don't have the money to get there. And they don't want to give us our goods."
The experience of Eze Kennis, another returnee, was hardly different. He told the reporter: "I am 28 years old. Many Nigerians died in the airport. There was nothing like feeding. We were in the cold. We were begging the government to send planes to come and evacuate us. I was in the airport for two weeks. When we entered the airport, the Libyan soldiers took all my property, electronics and other valuables. And I could not challenge them.
If you said anything, they would kill you. We stayed in the airport for days. We had no food and no water. We saw our friends, our girls that were pregnant, they were all dying. Some would die and leave their children. We told our ambassador to come and assist us but they kept deceiving us. But the Ghanaian ambassador was coming to evacuate his people regularly."
Beck Awuwu also said she suffered terribly in Libya. Her words: "I am 23 years old and I suffered terribly in Libya. I want to beg President Goodluck Jonathan that he should help us out because we are suffering here at the Hajj camp. We have nothing; many people have been in Libya for over 10 years without achieving anything. Some have been in prison. And now this is an opportunity to rescue us. I spent three weeks at the airport. All of us here now are confused. We can't find our luggage and we don't even know what to do now."
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Subject: Re: [TalkNigeria] MY VIEW ON : Ecowas asks security council to oust gbagbo!
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Yes, why not? Wise move. Did the UN not intervene in Libya? UN cannot cherry pick resource interest in Africa. Or cocoa is not as important as oil?Africans should not fight, let France take the lead, aided by US and UK. If Western powers want to play colonial games in Africa, at least let them be consistent. Why should Libya be their problem and Ivory Coast is not their problem? If they can ignore AU over Libya; why would they expect AU's authority over Ivory Coast?Let Nicolas Sarkozy go and fight Gbagbo if he cares. France will then learn a lesson.I now understand why Ghana indicated her unwillingness to use its military in Ivory Coast.MsJoeIn a message dated 3/25/2011 8:28:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ianokute@yahoo.com writes:
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Emmanuel U. Obi <bizon586@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Emmanuel U. Obi <bizon586@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] ecowas asks security council to oust gbagbo!
To: "okyeame" <okyeame@googlegroups.com>, achimota2010@googlegroups.com, "n naijanet2" <naijanet@googlegroups.com>, naijaintellects@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:29 PM
Why are they calling the security council? The ECOWAS Chair is weak and unfit to lead!!
Mazi Uzo Obi
Eziokwu bu Ndu"whatsoever thou resolvest to do,do it now. Defer not till the evening what the morning can accomplish"(Unto thee I grant the economy of life,1978).
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, kantarakam <kantaraka@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: kantarakam <kantaraka@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Naijaintellects] ecowas asks security council to oust gbagbo!
To: "okyeame" <okyeame@googlegroups.com>, achimota2010@googlegroups.com, "n naijanet2" <naijanet@googlegroups.com>, naijaintellects@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:07 PM
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