Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: What says the African Union about Colonel al-Gaddafi and current events in Libya?

Pathetic!

Still talking about TRIBES in 2011? Ever bother to ask yourself why
there are so-called nation in the first world and so-called tribes in
the so-called Third World?

What makes the Yoruba nation more than 30 million people a tribe and
the welsh/flemish/wallon all under three million a nation? What makes
the Hausa nation of more than 40 million a tribe and Luxembourg a tiny
local government a nation?

The explanation?: RACISM!!!

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On 3/3/11, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are many tribes in Africa, including Arab and Berber tribes in
> North Africa
>
> On Mar 3, 12:56 am, "Prof. Alfred Zack-Williams"
> <a...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Cornelius,
>>
>> You are quite right. Gamal Abdel Nasser, the Pan-Africanist par excellence
>> described Egyptians as having three concentric circle of consciousness
>> (read
>> identity) Egyptian, Arab and African. Multiple identity is not unusual in
>> a
>> cosmopolitan hybridised world; except if we want to return to
>> essentialism,
>> the fountain of exclusiveness.
>>
>> zack
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>>
>> [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cornelius
>> Hamelberg
>> Sent: 02 March 2011 13:54
>> To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: What says the African Union
>> about Colonel al-Gaddafi and current events in Libya?
>>
>> I should say that North African Arabs by virtue of being part of the
>> population of mainland Africa , are both Africans and Arabs. It's a
>> question
>> of choice, how they would like to identify themselves.
>> The trouble could be that some Africans want to believe that an African
>> has
>> to be black, like Robert Mugabe and not like Andre Brink or Alan Paton or
>> Nadine Gordimer or Muammer al-Gaddafi
>>
>> I have Jewish friends from Libya, Tunisia, Turkey, Morocco, Brazil,
>> Mexico,
>> Algeria, South Africa, Yemen, Ethiopia, Austria other places, who are no
>> less Jewish or less Yemenite etc.for being born or bred in these
>> countries.
>>
>> I do have friends from Libya and Algeria who have dark skins and Negroid
>> features but are Arab by language, birth and culture. An Englishman who
>> was
>> either joking or thought that he was putting me down said he thought that
>> I
>> was from Agadir in Morocco. My youngest half Scottish Brother Michael was
>> mistaken for an Imam from Morocco, in London.
>>
>> I have associated with Arabs for the past twenty five years and there is
>> not
>> a single racist incident for me to report. On the contrary I feel that I
>> have always been given some preferential treatment ( and valuable presents
>> which I have sometimes refused.
>>
>> We've got to be logical here. As logical as Yusuf ben Yochanan who started
>> one of his lectures by  declaring  that since the Prophet Moses was born
>> and
>> bred in Egypt, it would not be politically incorrect to identify him as
>> African. The point is of course debatable.
>>
>> Another logician, Khalid al-Mansour defines European as meaning white, and
>> coming from Europe.
>>
>> Understandably, because of  racism,  race and colour is something that a
>> lot
>> of people get emotional about. That being the case I should like to once
>> more refer to the Prophet of Islam , salallahu alaihi wa salaam's last
>> khutbah/ sermon in which he said,
>>
>> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a
>> non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has
>> no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white
>> except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to
>> every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing
>> shall
>> be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was
>> given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
>> "
>>
>> So there, we have it.
>>
>> Right now there's all the hysteria about other media reports , true or
>> false,  that "Arabs killing Black Africans" you would think that we are on
>> the brink of a war between Africa South of the Sahara and North Africa
>> (I'm
>> sure that if such a war erupted Muammer al-Gaddafi would be one of the
>> first
>> in North Africa to want to make peace and so would the rest of the African
>> Union.
>>
>> The situation in Libya is a little complicated right now, since we are
>> informed by so many media outlets that Gaddafi has hired mercenaries from
>> places like Niger, Burkina Faso and Zimbabwe to fight for him.
>> This could mean that the innocent African guest workers who are not
>> fighting
>> for anybody, neither for Gaddafi nor for those against Colonel Gaddafi
>> especially if armed could be easily mistaken for Gaddafi mercenaries. And
>> black Libyans are likewise in the same danger zone of suspicion –
>> identified
>> by colour.
>>
>> In other words black people are liable to be caught  in the dangerous
>> cross
>> fire.
>> The immediate solution would be for Africans to make themselves invisible
>> for the time being.
>>  The Long time solution, could take a little more time of consciousness
>> raising.
>>
>> Long or short, the rule of law still has to prevail in all circumstances
>> in
>> both peacetime and during times of war....
>>
>> Still wishing the best for Libya, and Africa:
>>
>> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2011/03/02/from-stock...
>> -few-separate-thoughts-about-libya/
>>
>> On Mar 2, 5:10 am, kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
>> > dear kofi
>> > your questions do not lend complexity or nuance, they are themselves
>> > questions that beg the question of how a revolutionary leader can
>> > become an authoritarian dictator; they also beg the question of how
>> > the one who takes these questions seriously can aspire to complexity
>> > in political discourse.
>>
>> > it aint either/or, with us anti-imperialists or with the imperialists.
>> > the world was probably never quite like that; now this is a nostalgic,
>> > and ultimately anti-progressive stance, anti-progressive set of
>> > questions.
>>
>> > i think of birago diop. one of the heroes of senegalese literature,
>> > one of its most accomplished authors and minds. do you know his
>> > history, his life story? it is interesting: the vet, the student, the
>> > administrator, the ambassador, the author, the source of inspiration.
>> > many tales, with supreme nuance, graced his pen. maman caimans  with
>> > babies who refused to learn from her, and paid the price.
>> > that would be the story i would want to read to answer these questions:
>> > what parable would maman caiman have had to say? then there could be a
>> > discussion.
>> > but your questions, and implied answers, do not leave any such room.
>> > the elbow out reflection, supply the answer before the question had
>> > time to end with its question mark.
>> > kofi, put out a question we can really ask ourselves, so that instead
>> > of a riposte we could have a real discussion. like, what was maman
>> > caiman about.
>> > i bet my friend cornelius would have things to say about maman caiman,
>> > about the walo and moors and their fight, and how the babies became a
>> > balm to heal the wounds of the moors' prince of trarza.
>> > ken
>>
>> > On 3/1/11 5:48 PM, Dompere, Kofi Kissi wrote:
>>
>> > > Dear Cornelius Hamelberg and the members of the forum As the winds
>> > > blow to the shores of AFRICA, the carry some stubborn facts that
>> > > bring into focus some important questions To reflect on.
>> > > 1. Why did USA and the Obama administration delivered a veto for
>> condemnation of Israel abuses of Palestine?
>> > > 2. Why did USA and Bush administration with the complete support of
>> > > the NATO and Unite Kingdom invaded Iraq and how many
>> > >      people were killed?
>> > > 3. Why did the so called democratic nations of the Imperial West
>> > > stayed mute on the Mubarak atrocities and how many
>> > >      people of Egypt were killed?
>> > > 4. How democratic is the United Nations in its decision-making
>> > > process?
>> > > 5. Are the nations and governments talking about sanctions, no-fly
>> > > zones, Blockades are they not the same imperial
>> > >     countries
>> > > 6. How much oil does Egypt have and how much oil does Libya have?
>> > > 7. How many neo-colonial puppets are in the North Africa and other
>> > > parts
>> of Africa?
>> > > 8. Do you know any African leader that has supported African Unity and
>> liked by the imperial predators.
>> > > 9. Are the world conflicts not about resource and commodity movements?
>>
>> > > What is my point? One may dwell in the comfort zone of simplicity and
>> refuse to acknowledge complexities in social events.
>> > > I will appreciate answers to these questions and thank you
>>
>> > > KOFI
>>
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> > > [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cornelius
>> > > Hamelberg
>> > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:30 AM
>> > > To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
>> > > Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: What says the African
>> Union about Colonel al-Gaddafi and current events in Libya?
>>
>> > > Dear Professor Kofi Kissi Dompere,
>>
>> > > Methinks that thou dost praise el Colonel al-Gaddafi excessively, and
>> > > at
>> the wrong time. You are sending him the wrong message. I'm sure that
>> Madiba
>> Nelson Mandela is very critical of what Gaddafi is doing right now.
>>
>> > > Futhermore:
>>
>> > >http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2011/02/25/no-to-murd...
>>
>> > > On Feb 25, 12:07 am, "Dompere, Kofi Kissi"<kdomp...@Howard.edu>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> Thanks to all that have read my posting.Unfortunately people read and
>> most of the time, they read out of context. This is the question posed by
>> Cornelius Hamelberg.  An important question for us in this forum, and
>> indeed
>> for the rest of  Africa and diaspora, is why the gaping silence from the
>> Africa Union, about the lastest antics of the man who has played such a
>> pivotal role in African Union matters, not least of all in his largesse
>>  in
>> providing funding for a few projects in Africa and also not least of all
>> his
>> well known ambition to become the first president of the United  States of
>> Africa? My statement was to provide a possible answer to the question. If
>> you do not agree with my answer, please provide us with an alternative
>> answer.
>> > >> Furthermore can you explain to us why Mandela embraced Col. Gaddafi.
>> How many African Nations came to the aid of Lumumba,s Congo? We mast keep
>> in
>> mind that as history unfolds it bring in the good and the bad simply
>> because
>> every individual is characterized by the good-evil duality in consistent
>> with some African philosophical expressions. Gamal Abdel Nasser is one of
>> the African leaders that I have always admire and so much so that he is
>> one
>> of the African leaders that I have dedicated one of my books to. These
>> dedications continue with personalities of Lumumba, Nyerere, Padmore,
>> Modibo
>> and others.
>>
>> > >> Any way, Chambi, thank you.
>> > >> KOFI KISSI DOMPERE
>> > >> ________________________________
>>
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>>
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