Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Why The Revolution Of TheRacistArab Libyans Failed

Mwalimu Baba Aye, your perspective is respected, albeit it is linked to a very suspicious one that would take volumes to explain on this forum.

 

We are working on an alternative resolution that we believe makes sense and will work. Stay tuned!

> [Original Message]
> From: <baba.aye@gmail.com>
> To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Date: 3/12/2011 7:40:36 PM
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Why The Revolution Of TheRacistArab Libyans Failed
>
> I do align with Cornelius & cannot but view Bangura's 7 great thesis as rasther simplistic. Not only does it lose sight of the causes of the revolution, he probably never appreeciated Kenny Rogers when he sang "you never count your money, while sitting at the table. There'll be time enough for counting, when the deal is done".
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> Yes, the forces in opposition to the (Big) "Brother Leader" might be holding the short end of the stick of the civil war raging in the country now. Yes, it is quite possible that the Gaddafist regime might prevail in all or part of Lybia. But, it is just that wee bit early for serious analyeses to project narratives of "failure" or "success".
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> Bangura stressed the issue of the rebels racist attacks. A few questions emerge from the assertions he makes.
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> African leaders (as with the broader "international community") was so pissed by it that while they would have wanted big brother to go decided to "siddon look". Haba! How does this explain similar apathy -even if to lesser extents-  as the likes of Bob in ZIm, Biya in Cameroun & Gbagbo in Ivory Coast run rampage against fellow native blacks? The simple fact, I believe, has to do with the knock-kneed old boy's chumminess of autocrats that characterise the stratosphere of governance in Africa.
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> And on fire power; of course this is of great import in any war or armed (either thus initiated or such insurgency as is forced on insurrectionists) uprIsing. But despite the Rommel/Montgomery prism for looking at the impact of topography (which strenghtens Bangura's fire power thesis) he fails to factor in the fires here subterranean, there in full conflagration that marks oozes from the  pores of resistance, once the djinni has been let out of the bottle, such that battles are won but not the war.
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> A lot is uncertain now, but I would argue two things. In general; revolution & counter-revolution are siamese twins of which eventually, one most devour the other. In particular, the fate of the opposition forces in Lybia indeed seems dire. It is however not only yet to be sealed. "Victory" by Gaddafi would be a pyrrhic farce. The Lybia(s) that will emerge from the rubble would most likely never again the animal farm of the pigs that the squeling & napoleonic Gaddafi dynasty has lorded over for almost half a century.
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> Baba Aye
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:16:32
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> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Why The Revolution Of The Racist
>  Arab Libyans Failed
>
> I can only afford to be very brief about this.
>
> The points made do not give an inkling as to what " the revolution" is
> about  and it's not as if cause can be so conspicuously separated from
> effect.
>
> 1.Kotoh Bangura is surely not suggesting that the Noble Arab mothers,
> wives, sisters and daughters should  provide the canon-fodder for Mr.
> Gaddafi's proven gun-power?
>
> 2.Let's not over-simplify the existence of black people on both sides
> of the Libyan conflict or that Gaddafi's has black mercenaries.
> I don't know whether you yourself were a poor black immigrant to Italy
> through Libya, but isn't it Gaddafi who since August last year  has
> been using  the much touted Africans/ Black Libyans as a bargaining
> chip when he " threatens" to flood Europe with African migrants and
> to make Europe Black, if Europe does not give him £4 billion a year.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK257&=&q=Gaddafi'demands+4+billion+a+year+from+Europe
>
> 3.http://www.google.com/search?
> source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK257&=&q=Gaddafi+%3A+Black+immigrants
> +from+Libya
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 4:58 pm, "Abdul Bangura" <th...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Why the Revolution of the Racist Arab Libyans Failed
> >
> > I believe that the following seven factors led to the failure of the revolution by the racist Arab Libyans:
> >
> > (1) Failure to garner support from the women, who are the most advanced in the Arab world and possibly on the Afrikan continent as well
> >
> > (2) Failure to garner support from Afrikan/Black Libyans
> >
> > (3) The racist killing of and discrimination against other Black Africans, which silenced African leaders who would have liked to see Ghaddafi go and also evoked horror in the international community
> >
> > (4) Although an Arab medium, Al Jazeera was quite honest in exposing the sham by the racist Arab Libyans that the poor Black Afrikans in Libya were mercenaries and also in revealing the killings of those poor Black Afrikans by the racists
> >
> > (5) Ghaddafi's initial tactic of joining the first peaceful protest march against him in Tripoli
> >
> > (6) Ghaddafi's superior fire power
> >
> > (7) Ghaddafi's master tactic by allowing the racist rebels to first make their military move and gains, which revealed their strengths and weaknesses, thereby allowing him to make a very strong counter-offensive
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