Sunday, April 10, 2011

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cote d'voire Follow-up - 9 April 2010

Rosemary,
Allow me a few points.

First, there are very many Kenyans on this list. Second, there are a good number of non-kenyans on this list who are not as provincial in their work as your self-introduction seems to insinuate.

Three, your claims are not borne out of the work we now know about the Kenyan 2007 elections and the tussle between Mwai Kibaki and Raila Odinga. Your claim that there was more rigging on one side (Odinga's) is contradicted by the more scientific results of exit polls conducted by the IRI and whose report is widely available. Also, please check the versions of the works of David Ndii, Karuti Kanyinga and James Long; the first two being Kenyans like you.

Clark C. Gibson and James D. Long even put figures to the levels of rigging stating that Odinga 'won' with '46.1 per cent to Kibaki's 40.2 per cent.' The two authors cast doubt on whether Kibaki got the mandatory 25 per cent of the vote in at least 5 provinces. In particular, their figures indicate that Kibaki did not make this cut in Nyanza, Western, Coast and North Eastern, four provinces out of the total eight. The two author address your claim directly:- 'Taken together, Kibaki benefited from producing additional votes in seven provinces while losing in one; Odinga benefited from additional votes in one province and lost in seven.' When they compare the exit poll with official ones, Kibaki benefited an extra 355,843 in the official results and Odinga lost 57,951. You can read down that paragraph on p.500. of Electoral Studies, vol. 28 (2009).

I will appreciate your own figures so we can have a better discussion not on what your 'most Kenyans know' but on more solid ground.

Godwin Murunga

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From: ROSEMARY MWENJA <rosemary.wanjiku@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cote d'voire Follow-up - 9 April 2010

I am a Kenyan and I am not sure whether you assume that the one declared winner was not the winner. I hope this is the one you mean was made to make concessions with the bad loser. As far as most Kenyans know, the true winner is the one in the states House. Just because one claims they won does not mean the won. The most that those who were monitoring the elections were able to say is that they could not tell for sure who won the elections because of established rigging on both sides but more so on the losers side.  It is the harped news before the elections that had made some believe that their candidate was winning and when the results showed different results they could not accept defeat leading to the violence against the perceived enemy from the president's tribe.  
 
I cannot comment on Ivory Coast because do not know the truth but what I have read in the newspaper, and that is becoming very untrustworthy these days.  
 


--- On Sat, 4/9/11, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:

From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cote d'voire Follow-up - 9 April 2010
To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "leonenet" <leonenet@lists.umbc.edu>
Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 9:21 PM

I believe Gbagbo is trying to terrorize and intimidate  so that he would get a Kenyan type
concession. That of course would be a very bad precedent for other countries.

The Kenyan concession was a mistake and this error should not be repeated.
You may recall that the true winner of the  presidential election in Kenya was                                                                                    forced to make a deal with the loser, after rounds of violence and terror.


Dr. Gloria Emeagwali
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cote d'voire Follow-up - 9 April 2010

Mwalimu Karmoh John Simbo, Gbagbo should be denied martyrdom. His actions is to provoke his elimination, instead of facing a court of law.
What might Gbagbo be playing at? Does he perhaps have a death wish?
John

[cid:410-22011469214611721@13071999]<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/>
Africa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13026923


9 April 2011 Last updated at 20:10 GMT
Ivory Coast: Gbagbo troops 'hit' Ouattara hotel HQ
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Alassane Ouattara has set up his supporters and troops at the Golf Hotel

Ivory Coast crisis

*   Why Gbagbo is clinging on<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13014410>
*   Did UN overstep its mandate?<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13004462>
*   Ouattara's political tightrope<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12981300>
*   Q&A: Ivory Coast crisis<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11916590>

A hotel used by the internationally recognised president of Ivory Coast has come under attack by forces loyal to his rival Laurent Gbagbo, reports say.

Witnesses and a UN official told news agencies that the Golf Hotel in Abidjan, Ivory Coast's main city, had come under mortar and small-arms fire.

Alassane Outtara was judged to have won a presidential election in Ivory Coast, but Mr Gbagbo has refused to step down.

He has been surrounded in his residence for days by pro-Ouattara troops.

Reports suggested Saturday's fighting flared at around 1700 GMT.

"The FDS [pro-Gbagbo Defence and Security Forces] are attacking us and we are trying to push them back," one fighter with the pro-Ouattara forces told the AFP news agency.

"The firing is very very close. Snipers fired bursts from Kalashnikovs. The pro-Gbagbos are attacking us on all fronts," a hotel resident added.

AFP also reported that UN peacekeepers - tasked by the Security Council with protecting civilians in Ivory Coast - had fired back.

"The Golf Hotel was attacked with mortars," UN spokesman Hamadoun Toure said, adding that the attack had come from south of Abidjan's lagoon, away from the presidential residence.

"In conformity with our mandate to protect the Golf Hotel where President Ouattara and his team are, the peacekeepers responded by targeting the origin of the firing coming from the other side of the lagoon. We intentionally avoided the residence of President Gbagbo."
Heavy weapons

Mr Ouattara's forces have swept down from the north of Ivory Coast over the past two weeks but much of Abidjan is dominated by Gbagbo supporters. Days of fighting have plunged the city into crisis.

The BBC's Mark Doyle, in Abidjan, says an estimated one million people have been made homeless by the recent fighting, and there are growing concerns for public health.

It had appeared several days ago that Mr Gbagbo was on the verge of defeat but the upscale Plateau and Cocody areas of Abidjan are now fully in the control of his forces.

UN peacekeeping chief Alain Le Roy said late on Friday that Mr Gbagbo's followers had in fact made strong gains, having used a pause for negotiations as an opportunity to regroup.

Earlier this week Mr Ouattara's troops were reported to have isolated Mr Gbagbo in an underground bunker, but a pause in the fighting appears to have given his forces new resolve.

"They clearly used the lull of Tuesday as a trick to reinforce their position," Mr Le Roy said, referring to a dip in the fighting after three of Mr Gbagbo's generals requested talks.

Mr Le Roy said that there was evidence that his forces were still using weapons including tanks, M-21 rocket launchers, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and armoured personnel carriers.

Heavy weapons fire from Mr Gbagbo's forces targeted the French ambassador's residence in the city on Friday, the French embassy said, although this was denied by Mr Gbagbo's supporters.

On Saturday the remaining British presence in Abidjan left the city. A skeleton staff of two diplomats and 16 local staff were evacuated in a convoy of UN armoured vehicles.

The decision to evacuate was taken after bullets started coming in through the window and mortars landed in the garden, our correspondent says.

The UN has certified Mr Ouattara as the winner of November's run-off vote for president but Mr Gbagbo has refused to cede power.
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