There re some pertinent questions there, but pls leave Nigeria alone. We had a civil war in which Nigerians killed each other. That is what happens in a civil war. Toward the end of that conflict, the government of Tanzania recognised Biafra because of its fear that the defeat of that nation would lead to genocide. Such errors do get made and they sometimes have the effect of prolonging conflicts.
Why must Nigeria's contribution to a particular fund be judged relative to Libya? Nigeria's people are poor. That is why they go to work in Libya. Is that something to sneer about? Anyway, I don't know how much raw cash Nigeria contributed to the liberation of Africa, but in addition to the anti apartheid clubs in schools and the involvement of ordinary Nigerian people in the anti colonialist struggle, which was one of the reasons we declared ourselves a frontline state Nigeria also provided shelter and support to liberation movements. In fact as I write, I can hear Sonny Okosun singing 'Who owns Papa's land?' and 'Fire in Soweto' in my mind's ear. If the Libyan people had been half as engaged as Nigerians were, they would not be looking to the Arab world or the West for lessons in how to resist oppression!
Rather than turn this into a pissing contest we should insist that the African Union, whose peace initiative was so blatantly undermined by three Western leaders promising that they would continue bombing Libya until Gadaffi was gone, should stand its ground and insist that the LTNC treats the proposal seriously, stops putting its trust in countries who may get going when the going gets tough. Or lasts more than five minutes. They should think: Darfur.
Greetings Ken and Jaye Gaskia
. I have questions to your question "how can you support a despicable dictator?" that you posed to MsJoe21.Similarly, these questions go to Jaye Gaskia who claims that Libya government is "a murderous regime bent on drowning the uprising in blood".How do you come to the conclusion of "despicable dictator" and how do you substantiate the validity of your question?Similarly how does Jaye Gaskia comes to the conclusion that the Libyan Government is a murderous regime bent on drowning the uprising in blood?Why were Nigerians working in Libya given all the the black gold of Nigeria?How much contribution has Nigeria made to the African Liberation Fund relative to Libya?Can you define for us Nigeria's interest as well as Africa's interest?Is Nigeria a friend of the West or the West a friend of Nigeria?Whose interest are you supporting?Did Nigeria and South Africa vote to BOMB Africa?Was not UN used to destroy Iraq?Who overthrew Nkrumah and why?Who killed Lumumba and why?Did the Nigerian Government kill its own people during the Biafra insurrection?There are many more questions for you in relation to global instabilities, NATO imperialist actions . For the meantime deal with these few ones and let us talk.Thanks.KOFI
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re:Kenneth Harrow. Judging by Who? PICTURES FROM THE RALLY FOR LIBYA...--I suppose that Benghazi, a city of a million, which has taken in tens even perhaps hundreds of thousands more as a living manifestation of people in an uprising does not qualify for a groundswell; Nor does the people of Misurata and the other towns and villages who are defending their neighbourhoods against the 'revolutionary army' of the 'revolutionary leader' bent not only on destroying those cities, but also on killing the people in it for having the effontery not to be forever grateful to the 'leader' for his graciousness in provisioning their basic needs?And finally the fact the the rag tag rebel army is made up of thousands of civilian volounteers, who barely six weeks ago knew nothing about fighting does not qualify for a groundswell of uprising.To understand why the Libyan revolt has taken the path of civil war, we need to recognise that it was the path forced on the revolt by a murderous regime bent on drowning the uprising in blood.It is why Syria may also follow that parth, and why in Yemen, the army has split with some supporting the uprising and others supporting the dictator.Finally after 42 years of revolution, why is it that there is no revolutionary leadership in waiting to succeed the 'leader'? Why is it that the state is actually the leader and his sons?And should a people not have a right to rebel, even for just these reasons alone?Regards,JayeFrom: "MsJoe21St@aol.com" <MsJoe21St@aol.com>
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re:Kenneth Harrow. Judging by Who? PICTURES FROM THE RALLY FOR LIBYA... Mr. Kenneth Harrow's descriptor instead begs the question: Gaddafi is despicable by whose assessments? Can he explain why the world has not seen the groundswell of uprisings in Libya as they happened in Egypt and Tunisia?Mr. Harrow needs to offer more than a bicycle emotion in light of the fact that NATO/European powers, US and a few Arab countries have given the economic lift, military cover, and diplomatic incentives for Libyans to rise against the Gaddafi regime. In fact, it is safer to oppose the " despicable dictator " than to support him since the US and NATO facilitate and protect the opposition but going to the street to support Gaddafi is riskier. Yet, after the destruction of Gaddafi's personal residence and offices where foreign delegations hold meetings, Libyans still took to the streets to negate US and NATO bombings.All these appear incomprehensible to the alien, allied bombers. First, they counted on defectors to squeal with internal rancor that would bring down the regime. Neat and easy - and the higher ground would be claimed by the US, UK and France with lesser members satisfied. When that did not pan out, the superpowers are not shy on assassination to avoid the possibility of even a stalemate, which will be a diplomatic blow. The desperation calls for military solutions.Maybe Mr. Harrow can conscientiously explain how bombing places where no fighting is taking place, where there are no real or eminent civilian threats, destroying civilian infrastructure and causing civilian deaths, and creating humanitarian crises, amount to protecting civilians by US and NATO.How come less than half of NATO countries are involved in bombing Libya if the hue and cry fits to eliminate a despicable dictator? Did Mr. Harrow detect the hogwash since Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Gaddafi to smoothen relations after Wikileak? Well, despicable dictators do not morph within weeks to become such a menace to be assassinated.The First Amendment enshrines free speech as a cornerstone of American democracy. Can anyone explain with a modicum of cognitive awareness what democratic advancement is inherent in NATO bombing Libyan Television - because Western nations do not like the speeches on Libyan Television?Each given day, any manner of information - from the informed, peculiarly weird, crude dysfunctions to pure rubbish beam from American mainstream and cable television. It would be heresy to close down a news outlet because the views run contrary to the government's ideas. But there was Senator John McCain spitting fire and requesting more bombs to eliminate propaganda from Libyan TV.If this is not a grave danger to civilization, it would have been a folly for laughter because any normal person with an ounce of morality cannot miss the sheer double standard in perpetuation of debauchery. McCain calls for more support for the rebels. He acknowledges that the rebels cannot win on their own device. Now, what kind of a popular home grown opposition is this? What part of US dollars or Euros would be earmarked for the rebel-led rebuilding to re-brand the Libyan television in order to broadcast what would be appealing and appeasing to the ears and eyes of Western super powers?Can anyone rationalize, without any shade of ambiguity, how any civilized democracy would construe "protect civilian" as using alien forces to get into the air space of a sovereign nation, direct precision drones to assassinate someone in order to protect civilians - when the indigenous civilians are rallying in the streets in support of the person? When rich nations behave abnormally, society and even psychologists can always come up with plausible justifications. But this is barbarism. If committed by a poor nation or a third world leader, clinical issues would be attached to the brazen and uncontrolled impulses. What is the moral tenet for super powers to bomb and eliminate leaders who do not toe their lines? Just because they can?As a learned person, Mr. Harrow can reflect on how his despicable descriptor can be relative. When the poor who work hard but cannot afford health care in a matter of life and death situations, other people can call such nations and leadership despicable with disregard for humanity. Libyans have free health care and free education to post graduate levels. To some, it is despicable to see homeless people sleeping on the streets - in the capitals of rich super nations. You don't have that in Libya. Libya is the highest donor to the African Union. Reducing reliance on Western controlled IMF would not be seen as the determination of a despicable dictator. Mr. Harrow did not indicate his own values, what he was measuring, and the rubrics he used.Therefore, if Mr. Harrow insists on wondering why others are not inclined to buy into his reasoning, which lacks substantiation, he would be promoting the despicable public fraud in Resolution 1973. Even the UN Secretary General is realizing the ruse used to launch a creeping military mission in Libya.While at it, Mr. Harrow cannot explain with a straight face why the allied bombers did not bomb Bahrain and Saudi Arabia when they suppressed protests in the same period that the West was focused on Libya. Saudi Arabia conducts no election, yet Saudi Arabia is America's best friend in the Arab world. Who is kidding who Mr. Harrow?Do you see how your righteous pompadour is much sound and fury signifying nothing beyond warped hypocrisies?MsJoe--In a message dated 4/25/2011 4:10:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kdompere@Howard.edu writes:MsJoeThis posting was not posted on the USA AFRICAN DIALOGUETHANKSKOFIFrom: Dompere, Kofi Kissi
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Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: Fw: PICTURES FROM THE RALLY FOR LIBYAN SOVEREIGNTY. 5.Greetings Ken. I have questions to your question "how can you support a despicable dictator?" that you posed to MsJoe21.How do you come to the conclusion of "despicable dictator" and how do you substantiate the validity of your question?Why are Nigerians working in Libya given all the the black gold of Nigeria?How much contribution has Nigeria made to the African Liberation Fund relative to Libya?Can you define for us Nigeria's interest as well as African interest?Is Nigeria a friend of the West or the West a friend of Nigeria?Whose interest are you supporting?Did Nigeria and South Africa vote to BOMB Africa?There are many more questions for you in relation to your question. For the meantime deal wit these few ones.Thanks.KOFI
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrowlots of questions. i have one: how can you support a despicable dictator?
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ken
On 4/21/11 12:39 PM, MsJoe21St@aol.com wrote:Hello:I have checked, no single entity, not even Trans Africa, has come up with anything concrete on this grave hypocrisy. An editorial from National Public Radio asked where is the anti-war movement is?The most you have is the congressional group called Code Pink, with Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, which is vocally against the allied bombing in Libya. The congressional black caucus is conveniently silent. Washington Post is dangerously biased. A measure of balance comes from Huffington Post. The majority of the Western newspapers are acting as propaganda machineS for NATO and the rebels. Most African leaders lack the moral credentials or intellectual depth to even understand the long term ramifications. This is beyond Libya. It is about the blatant return to the 1800s with impunity. This is about the integrity of Africa. Yes, African leaders should be accountable. But to who? To western powers who can simply implement regime change in Africa in order to install pliant and pliable leaders to do their bidding?This effort, below, is worth supporting by Pan Africans to help the courageous leadership by Africans at home. See contact:.democracyvp@yahoo.com.Ijust received the information and I am impressed that a group has gone beyond talk - and doing something.Each day, the Western superpowers are expanding a creeping mission, which violates the US Resolution 1973 that was craftily disguised as a humanitarian gesture to protect civilians.How can France, UK, Italy and the US send military commanders to train rebels to shoot as a means to protect civilians?How can NATO be bombing TV stations and telephone lines in government controlled cities and in Tripoli as a means to protect civilians?How can air strikes be targeting government controlled areas where no fighting is taking place?How can two sides be engaged in a clear armed conflict and only the government forces are responsible for casualties?Now can Libya be fighting the combined forces of NATO and rebels and only the Libyan forces are accountable for the miseries?Please read again the information:Why the West wants the fall of Gaddafi. Obama freezes $30 billion fund for African projects
If you can support this group, below, with a mere $5.00, that would help to counter Obama's $25 million to promote war in Libya. Please forward this information to your listservs.--Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTNFrom: Sina Odugeemi <democracyvp@yahoo.com>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Fw: PICTURES FROM THE RALLY FOR LIBYAN SOVEREIGNTY. 5.
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