Not only about the Holocaust, we must all be also fully aware of this
background:
http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Israel+-+Arab+Wars&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&lr=lang_en
And Sir, may I kindly remind you that you only find Saints in the
Catholic Church where you will also find our good friend Pope Pius...
Cornelius does not want anyone to suffer, but that doesn't make him a
Buddha.
I also have a lot of respect for the late Isma'il Raji al-Faruqi and
am acquainted with his work/s (that's respect)
On Sunday I will take a look at the website which Ayo Obe has
recommended...
I'm not sure that I understood your question:if you mean Gaza ( I met
and shook hands with the then Mayor of Gaza here in Stockholm in 1986
- he spoke at the Institute of Foreign Affairs, waterfall of tears
running down his cheek, begging the Swedish Government to construct a
harbour so that they could export their tomatoes which were piled high
in pyramids and rotting in the heat - he also appealed to the Swedish
governemnet to help with playgrounds for the Gaza kids - all this was
before the creation of Hamas (in 1987) and at a time when there were
still a few thousand " settlers" in Gaza. Today Hamas is more feared
than loved in Gaza and there is no HUmanitarian Crisis there...
When you say "The West Bank" you are talking about Judea and Samaria
which is located in the Holy Land of Israel:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Judea+and+Samaria.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&lr=lang_en
So, who is occupying who?
Recently, the MFA was on the offensive, to clarify the matter:
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/38033
You are aware that non-Muslims are persona non grata in Mecca?
In " Our Challenge" Rabbi Meir Kahane puts it this classic way, page
23-24:
"There is a Jewish people, the same that began with Abraham. There is
a Jewish state, the home of that Jewish people from the time of the
first divine promise.. This is the Jewish claim. It is not a request :
It is not an offer. It is not a plea: it is a claim that brooks no
denial. WE have no home but Israel. But within this one small state.,
that claim is absolute. The Land of Israel is the land of the Jewish
people, whose claim to sovereignty over it - all of it - is clear
and as ancient as G-d's decision to grant that sovereignty.
A " Palestinian" people? The concept is a contradiction in terms.
There is either a " Palestine" or a Land of Israel, and we declare
the latter. There is no Palestine and there is no "Palestinian"
people. Arabs? Yes. Those Arabs who dwell and who dwelt for years
within Eretz Yisroel are indeed part of the Arab people or nation and
we respect and recognise that definition: But they are not
"Palestinians," for there never was such a concept. The Arabs who
wandered into the land of Israel while it lay desolate and empty of
its exiled Jewish sons and daughters came as trespassers and
interlopers. The passage of time, no matter how much time, cannot make
legal that which is illegal: The claim of Arabs to have lived within
the land for years or centuries is irrelevant in terms of a claim to
Arab national sovereignty. And how much more so when "Palestine" was
always looked upon as nothing more than Southern Syria. As individuals
who arrived and lived in the land of Israel while there was no Jewish
state, they are free to live and prosper. Under claim of national
right, they are entitled to nothing. Jews have a sovereign national
right to the land as a people and under this, each Jew has a right to
live in Israel. The Arab, with no national sovereignty claim, may ask
to be allowed to live in Eretz Yisroel , but can expect nothing more
than that.
It is this most basic of concepts that gives Jews not only the right
to their own state, but a right to a state within the entire
boundaries of the land of Israel. Neither a fictitious " Palestine"
nor a no less fictitious " Jordan" are anything more than interlopers
within the boundaries of Eretz Yisroel. To be sure, the Jewish
leaders in 1947 reluctantly accepted a Jewish state whose boundaries
were not only absurdities but enclosed only a small fraction of Eretz
Yisroel . Their acceptance of these boundaries in no way meant
acquiescence in any foreign claim to parts of Eretz Yisroel but a
willingness to accept a desperately needed state and a condition of
peace. Their motives were not acquiescence in or recognition of
foreign claims, or the waiving of Jewish rights, but a desire for
peace and a postponing of Jewish claims until the Messiah comes and
resolves Kushyot v'bayaot (problems and difficulties).
In return for peace and a genuine recognition of the Jewish right to
a state , Jews were willing, not to give up their rights, but not to
press their rightful claims. But when Arabs chose to deny any Jewish
right and went to war, the Jewish claim to all the land that fell to
its armies became clear. What happened in 1948 and again in 1967 was
that Jewish land returned to its people. We do not seek war: one
Jewish life is not worth all the Jewish land that is under foreign
rule: But when war is forced upon us and Jewish bodies fall, then the
historic land that returns to us remains - never to be returned."
Check it out: a few bombs exploded in Oslo ( Dar al-Harb) this
afternoon:
http://www.freeman.org/other.htm
On 22 Juli, 17:45, Ayotunde Bewaji <tundebew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Saint Cornelius, could you, please, answer this question honestly:
> Is it possible to give to someone another's lifeline without providing alternative means of survival to the dispossessed?
>
> --- On Fri, 22/7/11, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Occupation? Which occupation and whose occupation ?
> To: "USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 22 July, 2011, 21:08
>
> I "need to start reading Benny Morris, Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe "?
> When did you first read any of them? Fifteen years ago? Twenty? I'm
> still reading them.
> You need to do what I did a long time ago: fully acquaint yourself
> with al-Islam in it's various facets and fully acquaint yourself with
> all of the Palestinian Arab political literature and history written
> by them - not just Edward Said - and then update yourself with the
> likes of Bassam Tibi and Aziz Al-Azmeh (who is from Syria) and some of
> them Iranians.
> Sure, I have friends (not just acquaintances) who are members of the
> Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas. Hezbollah......and who speak Arabic the way
> you speak the Yoruba of the unsuppressed.
>
> Ask any of them a question and I can tell you what he will answer.
>
> On 22 Juli, 16:19, Pius Adesanmi <piusadesa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Side question : Does "seek justice" mean that JESHURUN should be
> > handed over to Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah who say that they will never
> > recognise Israel and who are united in one purpose and one purpose
> > only: to ( God forbid) eradicate Israel and erect a Fundamentalist
> > Muslim State operating Sharia Law on the Carcass of what they now call
> > "Occupied Palestine"
>
> > Ogbuefi Cornelius the Ota pia pia of USAAfricadialogue:
>
> > Barouh atat adonai. I have come again. You express above the timeless love of the slaver for the enslaved; of the colonizer for the colonized. Apologies to Mazi Moses Ochonu, the historian, for I must encroach a little bit on his territory. My way of saying that every land grabber in history has always expressed great love, so much love for the people they oppress, as to perpetually worry about what they would do with freedom and justice! The French and the Brits and the Portuguese so loved their colonized Africans that they spent a great deal of time worrying what Africans would do with independence and if we were even ripe and ready for it. The disease-bearing land grabbers in North America, New Zealand, and Australia never stopped wondering what our friends, the Amerindians, the Aborigenes, the Maoris, could possibly want to do with their land which, remember, was wild and unoccupied before they came anyway. Margareth Thatcher and Ronald Reagan
> > never stopped worrying about what would happen to their poor blacks if, God forbid, sanctions worked and apartheid came to an end. Oh, my poor blacks! And here is our own brother Ogbuefi Cornelius displaying his affiliation to that philosophical arrogance of the oppressor. Oh, my poor Palestinians. Can they handle freedom? Won't terrorist organizations hijack their freedom if, Adonai forbid, we were to grant it to them? You just can never tell with the Araboushim, can you? No greater love hath the Occupier for the Occupied that he is willing to apply his brain to rationalizing why freedom and justice should not be granted to the occupied!
>
> > Now to your questions. My brother, one should not be too tired to answer obvious questions in this matter since it is in the nature of the colonizer to forget simple things and simple answers:
>
> > Occupation? Yes, O-C-C-U-P-A-T-I-O-N!!!!!!!!
>
> > Which Occupation? The Occupation of Palestinian lands by the oppressor-state of Israel and the aiding and funding of that monumental crime by the United States of America.
>
> > Whose Occupation? The occupation of Palestinians by Israel.
>
> > I am a student of the Israeli new historians. I collect their works. You need to start reading Benny Morris, Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe and the rest. You don't even need to bother with Palestinians telling their own side of the story. Just stick with the Israeli new historians.
>
> > Any more questions, my brother Cornelius?
>
> > Pius
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
> > To: USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, 22 July 2011, 6:05
> > Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Occupation? Which occupation and whose occupation ?
>
> > I find myself thinking along these lines as ( like a cow) I chew the
> > cud of what Messers Benjamin and Harrow have been saying recently, in
> > this forum:
>
> > Seek ye Justice, yes, but up till now in this African Forum, no one is
> > talking about "Occupied Mauritania" which allegedly abolished slavery
> > in 1984.
>
> > In the words of Naiwu Osahon, 29th October 2010,
>
> > "Mauritania left the Economic Community of West African States to join
> > the union formed by the Arab North African States. A few years ago,
> > Mauritania sacked all Black natives from their civil service
> > positions. Black Mauritanians protest their plight to the African
> > Union (AU) without receiving attention, because AU Black leaders fear
> > offending their Arab colleagues in the AU. In Mauritania, they have
> > had to declare an end to slavery six times in this century alone, and
> > still nothing has changed for the captive majority African natives.
> > African slavery is still in their statute books. African slavery in
> > Mauritania is what the on going quarrel between Mauritania and Senegal
> > is about. The quarrel forced Black African refugees to pour across the
> > border from Mauritania into Senegal."
>
> > Is it any wonder that Avi Bari from Guinea did not seek asylum there?
>
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=Mauritania+and+slavery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf...
>
> > Nor is anyone talking about occupied anywhere else in Africa North of
> > the Sahara, even as some resident so called Afri-can-ists who deep
> > down in their psyche think that they can are still making false
> > accusations about non-existent "Racist Arab Libyans" as a distinct
> > category to be found exclusively in the Eastern part of Libya. It's
> > the same kind of mentality that crowned Mr. Gaddafi "The King of Kings
> > of Africa" the kind of mentality that Bedford N. Umez, PhD has
> > tirelessly identified as "Inferiority complex"
>
> > Side question : Does "seek justice" mean that JESHURUN should be
> > handed over to Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah who say that they will never
> > recognise Israel and who are united in one purpose and one purpose
> > only: to ( God forbid) eradicate Israel and erect a Fundamentalist
> > Muslim State operating Sharia Law on the Carcass of what they now call
> > "Occupied Palestine" ?
>
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