From: Monsieur Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
Date: 23 July 2011 10:20
Subject: [Mwananchi] SOME VERY SERIOUS LESSONS FROM THE NORWAY TRAGEDY
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Friends
"A police official said the 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police. "It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."
The above statement is why I always take a breath before I make a case. It is why I always want that small 5 minutes to think through, it is why I take that entire day yesterday for example not posting anything about the Norway bombing for I simply had very limited information to post. I however with the rest of the world was watching the screen and screaming at the same time for everyone I was trying to reach in Europe was not answering the God damn flipping phone. If my memory is right, I did not post anything about this bombing till about 8 hours later, but why? Because I hate posting a fcat in a public forum and end up looking stupid. And here is a classic example. Few hours ago, Professor Reuben H. Simoyi has posted this writing in Mwananchi and Zimsite and I directly quote "Our prayers and condolences are with Norway. No country deserves this. Besides, they are not used to this. No-one hates the Norwegians that much? I lost a former student in the twin towers when they fell on 9/11. Even though I only knew him as a student-professor relationship; it was still a painful loss, not just to me, but the whole university campus. We have no idea what motives the perpetrator(s) had/have; but this is no way to win friends and influence people. –Professor Reuben H. Simoy " End quote. Now I want you to look very closely at that writing, The Professor has presented himself to have the facts on the issue and he has indirectly stated that this is a terror attack looking to sell its cause and looking for sympathy. And fair enough but he is forgetting that this can very easily be a very basic criminal act. I have lived in this society way many years and trust me we have a whole pile of white dwanzies here than in Africa. The Professor is forgetting to realize that there actually might not be any news here and we need to move on with our lives for this is a criminal act and thank God he was arrested, and among the twisted heads, there can be a white. And I can bet the Professor did not take a moment to even research or find any other information, he woke up as always they do, read New York Times, took a cigar and watched CNN. And all reports were reading that the end of the world has appeared for Al-Qaida has struck in the middle of the Europe. Oh well how can Al-Qaida find sympathy by murdering little babies on a God damn vacation? And since he has a title of a Professor the rest of us the un critical thinkers buy the nonsense but in process we make all Moslems and all Arabs men children wives included victims. And we pass laws banning the covering of heads. I live in a city where we have a very large community of Moslems and trust me it is very hard to be for you are guilty till you have proven yourself innocent.
But I am not here to crucify my dear friend the Professor, I am here to raise the issue of commonsense that has totally failed to be common. Normal people are created to stop and look at what has happened understand it then react. I listened to President Obama's speech and I looked at the White House website and they were all indicating that Norway had been attacked by a terrorist group. Hey they even named it. Nyar'Onyango spent my entire evening crucifying me why I have a problem understanding that this Arabs and Moslem extremists. But the argument simply refused to fit. And for a very good reason, I hate making a stand un researched for I know with time it will bring me to the position President Obama is at now. You are a President, you have stood and stated that it was a terrorist attack and now all indications are that this is a mad Norwegian with a case with The Social Democrats. As your speech writer how the hell do I draft your next speech SIR? Thank you for understanding why I neglect his speeches for I fail to understand where he is going to put his mis information, at the beginning or at the end? Sometimes it is all over the God damn place. Like I stated before, yes George Bush did things that were very annoying and wrong but he had a clue what he was doing. Bush knew where he was coming from and where he was going let alone the cruel joke that replaced him. And can it bother you how since the arrest of this white crap happened, the voices are dying down and very fast? Can you imagine the arrested man was an Arab and a Moslem and from Afghanistan? Can you imagine the recycling of Montage we would have been pounded with? But now that this is a child from home I give this at most to Monday to be a story it is gone and it is dead.
A whole lot of people have been murdered let us not lose sight of that, but let us not lose sight that we actually might not find their bodies for reports are stating that the kids actually started to swim across the waters to the main land in fear and many drowned so that figure of 87 dead might actually be a just beginning. The Prime Minister of Norway was supposed to address these kids today and the shit hit the fan. How down we move on from here, and if you are a Norwegian parent how do you understand this? A parent of a dead and a parent of an alive kid. And that is the phenomenon of things we do not understand as we do not understand the pain a parent that took her/his baby in the day care of Oklahoma Federal building and came back to pick up the body parts.
I implore all of us to be responsible for the statements we make for in the process we can easily alienate a whole surge of people and religion.
EM
On the 49th
May all that have died in Norway find peace with him but I hope the Norwegian Police finds out what was bothering this kid born with a spoon in his mouth
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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:26 AM
To: zimsite; Mwananchi
Subject: [zimsite] A prayer for Norway
Our prayers and condolences are with Norway. No country deserves this. Besides, they are not used to this. No-one hates the Norwegians that much?
I lost a former student in the twin towers when they fell on 9/11. Even though I only knew him as a student-professor relationship; it was still a painful loss, not just to me, but the whole university campus. We have no idea what motives the perpetrator(s) had/have; but this is no way to win friends and influence people.
Prof.
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rehema uganda
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:57 AM
To: Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Forum
Subject: {UAH} The Oslo Bombing And Shooting --- Interesting Phrases
Very Interesting Statements: "It seems it's not Islamic-terror related." "This seems like a madman's work." "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Why not Christian terrorism?
Friday, July 22, 2011 5:29:00 PM EDT
Police: Oslo bomb, camp shootings domestic terror
Photo by AP
Photo by AP
OSLO, Norway (AP) ? A home-grown terrorist set off an explosion that ripped open buildings in the heart of Norway's government Friday, then went to a summer camp dressed as a police officer and gunned down youths as they ran and even swam for their lives, police said Friday.
The attacks killed at least 16 people in this peaceful nation's worst violence since World War II.
A police official said the 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.
"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."
The official said the attack "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Domestic terrorists carried out the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City, while foreign terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
The official added, however, "it's still just hours since the incident happened. And the investigation is going on with all available resources."
At the youth camp, where the prime minister had been scheduled to speak Saturday, a 15-year-old camper named Elise said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.
"I saw many dead people," said Elise, whose father, Vidar Myhre, didn't want her to disclose her last name. "He first shot people on the island. Afterward he started shooting people in the water."
Elise said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. "I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock," she said.
She said it was impossible to say how many minutes passed while she was waiting for him to stop.
The shootings occurred after the bombing in Oslo, Norway's capital and the city where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded. The police official who spoke on condition of anonymity said there was at least one unexploded device at the youth camp, and that a police bomb disposal team was working on disarming it with support from military experts.
The Oslo blast left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings in a dust-fogged scene that reminded one visitor from New York of Sept. 11.
Ian Dutton, who was in a nearby hotel, said people "just covered in rubble" were walking through "a fog of debris."
"It wasn't any sort of a panic," he said, "It was really just people in disbelief and shock, especially in a such as safe and open country as Norway. You don't even think something like that is possible."
Police said seven people died in the Oslo blast, and another 9 or 10 people were killed at the camp, which was organized by the youth wing of the ruling Labor Party. Rescuers were to search to blast wreckage through the night for more victims, and Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said police fear there could be more victims at the camp as well.
Elise, the young camper, said she believes she saw more than 10 people killed.
Acting national Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim said a man was arrested in the shooting, and the suspect had been observed in Oslo before the explosion there. Police did not immediately say how much time elapsed between the bombing and the attack at Utoya, about 20 miles (35 kilometers) northwest, but reports of the shooting began appearing on Twitter about two and a half hours after the bombing.
Sponheim said the camp shooter "wore a sweater with a police sign on it. I can confirm that he wasn't a police employee and never has been."
Aerial images broadcast by Norway's TV2 showed members of a SWAT team dressed in black arriving at the island in boats and running up the dock. Behind them, people who stripped down to their underwear swam away from the island toward shore, some using flotation devices.
Sponheim said police were still trying to get an overview of the camp shooting and could not say whether there was more than one shooter. He said several people were injured but he could not comment on their conditions.
In Oslo, most of the windows in the 20-floor high-rise where Stoltenberg and his administration work were shattered. Other buildings damaged house government offices and the headquarters of some of Norway's leading newspapers.
Oslo University Hospital said 12 people were admitted for treatment following the Utoya shooting, and 11 people were taken there from the explosion in Oslo. The hospital asked people to donate blood.
Stoltenberg, who was home when the blast occurred and was not harmed, visited injured people at the hospital late Friday. Earlier he decried what he called "a cowardly attack on young innocent civilians."
"I have message to those who attacked us," he said. "It's a message from all of Norway: You will not destroy our democracy and our commitment to a better world."
Sponheim would not give any details about the identity or nationality of the suspect, who was being interrogated by police.
Stoltenberg said "we don't want to speculate" on whether a terror group is responsible, and said some groups may take responsibility "to appear to be more important than they are."
The attacks formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2005 London bombings, which killed 52 people.
Police said the Oslo explosion occurred at 3:30 p.m. (1330 GMT) and was caused by "one or more" bombs.
Public broadcaster NRK showed video of a blackened car lying on its side amid the debris. An AP reporter who was in the office of Norwegian news agency NTB said the building shook from the blast and all employees were evacuated. Down in the street, he saw one person with a bleeding leg being led away from the area.
An AP reporter headed to Utoya was turned away by police before reaching the lake that surrounds the island, as eight ambulances with sirens blaring entered the area. Police blocked off roads leading to the lake.
Emilie Bersaas, identified by Sky News television as one of the youths on the island, said she ran inside a school building and hid under a bed when the shooting started.
"At one point the shooting was very, very close (to) the building, I think actually it actually hit the building one time, and the people in the next room screamed very loud," she said.
"I laid under the bed for two hours and then the police smashed a window and came in," Bersaas said. "It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here."
One of the youths at the camp, Niclas Tokerud, stayed in touch with his sister through the attack through text messages.
"He sent me a text saying 'there's been gunshots. I am scared (expletive). But I am hiding and safe. I love you,'" said Nadia Tokerud, a 25-year-old graphic designer in Hokksund, Norway.
As he boarded a boat from the island after the danger had passed he sent one more text: "I'm safe."
The United States, European Union, NATO and the U.K., all quickly condemned the bombing, which Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague called "horrific" and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen deemed a "heinous act."
"It's a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring," President Barack Obama said.
Obama extended his condolences to Norway's people and offered U.S. assistance with the investigation. He said he remembered how warmly Norwegians treated him in Oslo when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.
Nobel Peace Prize Chairman Thorbjorn Jagland said it appeared the camp attack "was intended to hurt young citizens who actively engage in our democratic and political society. But we must not be intimidated. We need to work for freedom and democracy every day."
Norway has been grappling with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.
Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar ? the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam ? made to various news media, including American network NBC.
Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago. Danish authorities say they have foiled several terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons that triggered protests in Muslim countries. Last month, a Danish appeals court on Wednesday sentenced a Somali man to 10 years in prison for breaking into the home of the cartoonist.
Many intelligence analysts said they had never heard of Helpers of Global Jihad, which took initial credit. Ansar al-Islam also took credit on some jihadist web sites.
Associated Press reporters Karl Ritter and Louise Nordstrom in Stockholm, Matthew Lee and Rita Foley in Washington, Paisley Dodds in London, Bjoern H. Amland in Hoenefoss, Norway, and Paul Schemm in Tripoli, Libya, contributed to this report.
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