All this suspicion and mistrust even when Mr.Gaddafi had long ago
trumpeted his intentions – well before the beginning of the Arab
Spring or any hostilities against him. Mr. Gaddafi is no saint, having
called his own people "rats" who should be exterminated - simply
because their sole demand was for positive change. So why is this news
so difficult to believe or take at it's face value? Surely, Mr.
Gaddafi was only being true to colour and in the circumstances making
good on his threat:
On 27 Aug, 19:50, kenneth harrow <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
> i agree pablo. and i think your warnings re the aphrodisiac drugs proved
> true.
> but here is my subsidiary question, which has to do with sources. i can
> more or less read the stretches built into sources that are forcing
> their arguments. but this report was reuters reprinted by the times.
> i can't help but wonder who regulates the reliability of these reports.
> when i get to know the reportage of a reporter, like howard french, i
> can come to rely on it. we all need to know how much we can rely on
> reuters or the ny times. we have journalist specialists on this list,
> like folu ogundimu, whose opinions we might like to know here
> ken
>
> On 8/27/11 9:13 AM, Pablo Idahosa wrote:
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> > Similarly Ken, I respect your posting them; we need all of the
> > information that we can assay. I Just do not accept the content.
> > It's just that much of the evidence adduced this far for the
> > intervention has been both questionable and oft-timed bogus. This, of
> > which there will be many more I am sure, has all of the post hoc,
> > ergo propter hoc feel about it. That's what wars are like; that's why
> > propaganda gets circulated. //
>
> > Best,
> > Pablo
> > On 26/08/11 7:36 PM, kenneth harrow wrote:
> >> pablo
> >> i respect, too, your insistence that we read these reports with
> >> clarity. until we have something to contradict this, we have to, at
> >> least, consider its possibility. on the face of it, this, like many
> >> other reports, is terrible--but still possible. how can we conclude
> >> it is risible without some contradictory evidence?
> >> ken
>
> >> On 8/26/11 5:27 PM, Pablo Idahosa wrote:
> >>> Respectfully, Abdul, I do not think that the issue your raise is
> >>> the issue at all. It's the prior one-- namely, Ken, can one take
> >>> this "report" seriously? The NYT, citing Reuters, citing the
> >>> "disinterested "We have terrible messages (in our possession), and
> >>> they will be made public soon," Frattini said in an interview with
> >>> Avenire, the Italian bishops' newspaper." It's probably fabricated,
> >>> and at best, propaganda, and, I think, in the midst of all of this
> >>> horrible chaos and death, risible.
> >>> Pablo
>
> >>> On 26/08/11 4:33 PM, Abdul Bangura wrote:
> >>>> So it that Italy's reason for joining the bombing of Afrikan
> >>>> Libyans and other Afrikans in Libya to smithereens? Does Italy hate
> >>>> Afrikans that much?
>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> *From:* kenneth harrow <mailto:har...@msu.edu>
> >>>> *To: *usaafricadialogue <mailto:USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com>
> >>>> *Sent:* 8/26/2011 3:12:23 PM
> >>>> *Subject:* USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: NYTimes.com:
> >>>> Gaddafi Wanted toCreate Immigrant 'Inferno'- Italy
>
> >>>> fyi
>
> >>>> The New York Times <http://www.nytimes.com/> E-mail This
> >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=goto&opzn&page=www...>
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> >>>> *WORLD * | August 26, 2011
> >>>> *Gaddafi Wanted to Create Immigrant 'Inferno'- Italy
> >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/08/26/world/africa/international-...>*
> >>>> By REUTERS
> >>>> Italy has proof that Muammar Gaddafi planned to turn its tiny
> >>>> island of Lampedusa into an "inferno" by sending thousands of
> >>>> desperate African migrants there by boat, Foreign Minister
> >>>> Franco Frattini said.
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