China has recently been selling arms to Gaddafi when China has made
it clear that they have not.
First of all we must make a distinction between private firms and the
government of China which in the end is the authority that grants or
denies permission to do business - even a potentially lucrative
business possibility such as taking over Sweden's SAAB - not to
mention a major foreign policy affair such as selling arms to Gaddafi
in the middle of an arms embargo against Gaddafi which they
themselves supported when the UN voted.
What actually happened is that in desperation some of Gaddafi's big
guns went over to China and tried to make some arms deals there with
the firms that they contacted, and they did not succeed .
The media is replete with these denials and explanations about what
actually happened : Gaddafi's unsuccessful attempts to buy more
weapons:
There are a number of other issues here that have been erroneously
reported along with spurious claims that will be vengaged most
vigorously if those erroneous reports persist
On Sep 7, 10:35 am, Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagbet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the clarifications on the specific issue of voting on the arms embargo, but the jury is still out on the veracity of its violations by China. Whichever way that eventually unravels, my point is that Gaddafis and Chinese models of governance (given the American issues with human rights violations in the latter) should leave no one in surprise if the latter goes to any length to prop up the erstwhile regime in Tripoli. This was my connection with the proxy wars. We know how much surreptitious support the French gave the Continentals in the American War of Independence from England even though a large section of American historigraphy represented that as the sole victory of the colonies against England.
>
> Olayinka Agbetuyi
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:02:57 -0400
> From: har...@msu.edu
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - chinese arms for ghaddafi
>
> china voted to accept the arms embargo which it itself violated
> ken
>
> On 9/6/11 7:00 AM, Olayinka Agbetuyi wrote:
>
> Ken:
>
> Having read some of Abdul Bangura's opinions and the view of Friedman in the article supplied by Cornelius Hamelberg I do not know whether the comparison between China and Walcotts poem is entirely justified. You see, China indeed took sides but was voted down. It does not pretend to have fallen head over heels in love with western-style democratic configurations which motivated the NATO intervention, hence its determination to subvert them through alliances with figures such as Gaddafi... Indeed when the leading historians of our time begin to write the true history of the current Libyan conflict, it will undoubtedly be seen as the classic case of the proxy war, the like of which was witnessed in the anals of American history: XYZ war etc...
>
> Olayinka Agbetuyi
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:06:40 -0400
> From: har...@msu.edu
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - chinese arms for ghaddafi
>
> so, say some, it doesn't really matter that china is in africa just for the money. whatever the regime it supports, whatever arms embargoes it violates, whatever deaths result, it is just money, just business, just the same as anyone else.here's walcott's great lines from "The Spoiler's Return."
> "all you go bawl out, 'Spoils, things ain't so bad.'
> This ain't the Dark Age, is just Trinidad,
> is human nature, Spoiler, after all,
> it ain't big genocide, is just bohbohl."
>
> that's our china, just bohbohl.
>
> walcott continues:
> "safe and conservative, 'fraid to take side,
> they say that Rodney commit suicide,
> is the same voices that, in the slave ship,
> smile at their brothers, "Boy, is just the whip,"
> i free and easy, you see me have chain?
> A little censorship can't cause no pain,
> a little graft can't rot the human mind,
> what sweet in goat-mouth sour in his behind."
>
> china, bohbohl, sweet in goat-mouth, but tomorrow done come
> ken
>
> New York Times
> By ANNE BARNARD
> Published: September 4, 2011
> TRIPOLI, Libya — In the final weeks of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi's battle with Libyan rebels, Chinese state companies offered to sell his government large stockpiles of weapons and ammunition in apparent violation of United Nations sanctions, officials of Libya's transitional government said Sunday. They cited Qaddafi government documents found by a Canadian journalist, which the officials said were authentic.
> The documents, including a memo from Libyan security officials detailing a shopping trip to Beijing on July 16, appear to show that state-controlled Chinese arms companies offered to sell $200 million worth of rocket launchers, antitank missiles, portable surface-to-air missiles designed to bring down aircraft, and other weapons and munitions. The documents, in Arabic, were posted on Sunday on the Web site of The Globe and Mail, a Toronto newspaper.
> The Chinese companies apparently suggested that the arms be delivered through third countries like Algeria or South Africa. Like China, those countries opposed the United Nations authorization of NATO military action against Qaddafi forces in Libya, but said they supported the arms embargo imposed by an earlier United Nations resolution.
> A rebel military spokesman, Abdulrahman Busin, said in an interview on Sunday that the transitional government would seek accountability through appropriate international channels. Mr. Busin said that any country that had violated the sanctions would have poor prospects for business and other dealings with Libya, an oil-rich country.
> "We have hard evidence of deals going on between China and Qaddafi, and we have all the documents to prove it," he said, adding that the rebels have other evidence, including documents and weapons found on the battlefield, showing that arms were supplied illegally to Colonel Qaddafi's forces by numerous other governments or companies. "I can think of at least 10 off the top of my head," he said.
>
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