AN ECONOMIC CRISIS is hardly in an imperialist position.Perhaps in the
late 1890s but people are NOT clamoring to leave.Qadeaffi a victim of
imperialism?It was a risky business from the beginning ,the NATO air
assault and risky.The Russians and Chinese have their own
reasons.Oil?Perhaps>Afghahistan has many minerals.Make what nyou will
pout of THAT!!!
>
>
> Below is one partial answer ? a Marxian one by Stephen Gowans,
> focusing on the determinate role of imperialism?s economic interest.
> However, I believe there could be important conditioning or
> ?superstructural? forces operating in specific instances that could
> negate the economic argument or produce something akin to a wild
> card. For Gaddafi?s Libya, I am of the opinion, despite Russia?s
> grandstanding following Gaddafi?s death, that the Russians and
> Chinese virtually made a quid pro quo decision with NATO. They both
> have burning backyards from which they like to perpetually keep outt
> NATO and the West.
>
>
>
> Also, the UN may be weak, but its general assembly has assumed a
> morality from time to time that helped to checkmate or at least
> complicate the more oppressive plans of the powerful. For political
> or geopolitical reasons, China and Russian may not support a no -ly
> zone over Syria, and for economic reason or lack of it, NATO may not
> need to ask for one.
>
> Whatever the case may be, local tyranny that is feared may ?result in
> humanitarian catastrophes? can be expected to make intervention
> easier and UN resolution backing it up swifter if indeed imperialist
> powers already feel their major economic interest endangered. More
> interesting though, is why wouldn't the Arab League apply to the UN
> for a no-fly zone over Syria?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ?The relevant consideration in explaining why interventions occur is
> not the political orientation of the government under siege, nor its
> relations with its citizens, but whether it accommodates the
> profit-making interests of the dominant class in the intervening
> countries. Does it welcome foreign investment, allow repatriation of
> profits, demand little in the way of corporate income tax, open its
> markets, and offer abundant supplies of cheap labor and raw
> materials? Or does it impose high tariffs on imports, subsidize
> domestic production, operate state-owned enterprises (displacing
> opportunities for foreign-private-owned ones), force investors to
> take on local partners, and insist that workers be protected from
> desperation wages and intolerable working conditions?
>
> Much as it might be supposed that imperialist interventions target
> worker and peasant-led governments alone, this is not the case.
> Regimes that promote national bourgeois interests by denying or
> limiting the profit-making interests in their own countries of the
> dominant class of other countries are routinely targeted for regime
> change, especially if they are militarily weak or have pluralist
> political systems that afford space for destabilization and political
> interference. Since the effects are the same in imperialist countries
> of a local regime, say, expropriating a foreign-privately-owned oil
> company, no matter whether the company is turned over to local
> business people, the state, or the company?s employees, it is a
> matter of supreme indifference to imperialist countries whether the
> expropriation is carried out by communists, socialists or radical
> nationalists. Whether you?re inspired by Marx and Lenin, 21st century
> socialism, or the actually-existing capitalist policies that the
> United States, Germany and Japan followed to challenge Britain?s
> industrial monopoly, if you?re going to mess with the profit-making
> opportunities of an imperialist country?s capital class, it will mess
> with you.
>
> Gaddafi was faulted by the US State Department for his ?increasingly
> nationalistic policies in the energy sector? and for trying to
> ?Libyanize? the economy. (1) He ?proved to be a problematic partner
> for international oil companies, frequently raising fees and taxes
> and making other demands.? (2) And his pro-Libya trade and foreign
> investment policies were irritants to Western banks, corporations and
> major investors as they surveyed the globe for lucrative
> profit-making opportunities.? - Stephen Gowans
> http://www.trinicenter.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2353
>
>
> ------------------------
>
> F. J. Kolapo,
>
> (Associate Professor of African History)
> History Department * University of Guelph * Guelph * Ontario *
> Canada* N1G 2W1
> Phone:519/ 824.4120 ex.53212 Fax: 519.766.9516
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Farooq A. Kperogi" <farooqkperogi@gmail.com>
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Cc: "kenneth harrow" <harrow@msu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:09:06 AM
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: NigerianID | NATO all
> but rules out Syria no-fly zone
>
> "Nato has all but ruled out the possibility of establishing a no-fly
> zone in Syria after the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, warned
> that any western intervention would cause an 'earthquake' that would
> 'burn the whole region'."
>
> "Some Syrian anti-government groups have called on the west to defend
> them as bloody fighting between security forces and armed protesters
> escalates and the country drifts towards civil war."
>
> Why did NATO respond to the cry for help by Libyan rebels but has
> ruled out doing the same to Syrian rebels? Gaddafi almost exactly
> said the same thing that the Syrian president is saying now: that any
> external intervention would precipitate the country into an
> internecine civil war. The Syrian president is also murdering his own
> people in the exact manner that Gaddafi did. Maybe NATO's
> "spokespersons" on this forum can help me here. Is Dr. Ken Harrow
> reading this?
>
> UN "approval"? Tell that to naive, unquestioningly trusting little kids!
>
> Farooq
>
>
> Farooq A. Kperogi, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Journalism & Citizen Media
> Department of Communication
> Kennesaw State University
> 1000 Chastain Road, MD 2207
> Kennesaw, Georgia, USA 30144
> Cell: (+1) 404-573-969:
> Personal website: www.farooqkperogi.com
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/farooqkperogi
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/farooqkperogi
>
> "The nice thing about pessimism is that you are constantly being
> either proven right or pleasantly surprised." G. F. Will
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:15 PM, toyin adepoju <
> toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Nowa Omoigui < nowa_o@yahoo.com >
> Date: 31 October 2011 03:02
> Subject: NigerianID | NATO all but rules out Syria no-fly zone
> To: defsec@egroups.com
>
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>
> Nato all but rules out Syria no-fly zone
>
> Syrian president warns that intervention could lead to 'another
> Afghanistan' as Nato officials say Libya-like action lacks support
>
> Luke Harding and agencies
> guardian.co.uk , Sunday 30 October 2011 15.15 EDT
>
> Nato has all but ruled out the possibility of establishing a no-fly
> zone in Syria after the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, warned
> that any western intervention would cause an "earthquake" that would
> "burn the whole region".
>
> Despite the success of its Libya mission, which formally ends on
> Monday, Nato officials made it clear there was little prospect of the
> alliance establishing a similar no-fly zone to protect civilians and
> stem the mounting death toll in the eight-month Syrian uprising.
>
> Some Syrian anti-government groups have called on the west to defend
> them as bloody fighting between security forces and armed protesters
> escalates and the country drifts towards civil war.
>
> Tanks were reported to have shelled a historic district in the
> central city and opposition stronghold of Homs today. At least 20
> soldiers were killed and 53 wounded on Saturday in clashes with
> opposition forces in the city. Rebel gunmen also ambushed a bus in
> the north-west province of Idlib, killing 10 security officers, the
> Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported. One attacker also died.
>
> But Nato officials say the Libya "template" is unlikely to work in
> Syria, adding that currently a Syrian "mission" lacks both
> international consensus and wider regional support.
>
> The UN security council would need to approve any Syrian operation ?
> a step that would be unlikely given Russian and Chinese opposition.
> "We would need a clear mandate from the international community, as
> well as support from the Arab League and Syria's neighbours," a Nato
> official said, adding that so far "no-one had asked" for Nato's help.
>
> Nato's reluctance to get embroiled in Syria internal conflict came as
> Assad warned that outside intervention in his country's affairs could
> lead to "another Afghanistan". In an interview with the Sunday
> Telegraph, he conceded that western states "are going to ratchet up
> the pressure".
>
> But he added: "Syria is different in every respect from Egypt,
> Tunisia and Yemen. The history is different. The politics is
> different. Syria is the hub in this region. It is the fault line, and
> if you play with the ground you will cause an earthquake ? Do you
> want so see another Afghanistan?"
>
> Assad showed little sympathy for opposition protesters, more than
> 3,000 of whom have been killed, since the uprising began in
> mid-March, the UN says. Some 1,200 troops have also died, Assad's
> government says. He admitted that "many mistakes" had been made by
> his forces, but said his regime was now battling "terrorists".
>
> The Syrian president maintained that those demonstrating against his
> rule were Islamists and Muslim Brotherhood members opposed to secular
> rule or "pan-Arabism", as he put it, under which the rights of
> Syria's Christian and Alawite minorities were guaranteed. He insisted
> he still enjoyed "popular legitimacy". "I live a normal life. I drive
> my own car, we have neighbours. I take my kids to school," he said.
>
> With no end to the violence in sight, a Syrian delegation met in Doha
> on Sunday with an Arab League ministerial committee. On 16 October
> the league gave Damascus a 15-day deadline to put in place a
> ceasefire, which ends on Sunday. Since then 343 people have been
> killed, including 40 on Friday, one of the worst days of bloodshed
> since the uprising began. Protests have intensified amid fast-moving
> events in the Arab world: the brutal death of Muammar Gaddafi, and
> Tunisia's successful democratic elections last week. In a show of
> support for Assad's regime, thousands of Syrians carrying the
> national flag rallied in Sweida, a city 70 miles south of Damascus,
> on Sunday. There have been two other large pro-Assad rallies in the
> capital and the coastal city of Latakia.
>
> The situation in Syria remains at the top of the international
> agenda. The UN secretary general, Ban Ki-Moon, said the latest
> civilian killings were alarming and called for Assad to carry out
> "far-reaching reforms, not repression and violence"." He also
> appealed for military operations to stop, and for the release of
> political prisoners ands well as those detained during recent
> protests.
>
> China's Middle East envoy also expressed concern. He said the
> fighting could not continue. Wu Sike told reporters that Assad's
> government must take "palpable steps" to end the bloodshed.said: "The
> Syrian government has to speed up implementing its promises of
> reform," said Wu. "There must be respect and response to the
> aspirations ? of the Syrian people."
>
> The US has accused China and Russia of failing to throw their weight
> behind western efforts to isolate Assad's government diplomatically
> and toughen economic sanctions.
>
> Assad has friendly relations with Moscow, a crucial backer and
> supplier of military hardware. During an interview with Russia's
> state-run Channel One channel, he praised the Kremlin for its veto of
> the European-backed UN security council resolution imposing sanctions
> on Damascus.
>
> "We are relying on Russia as a country with which we have strong
> historic ties," Assad said.
>
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