amended:
The Pharisees are the ancestors of today's orthodox and ultra-orthodox
rabbis...
On the issue being discussed, my beef is not with Jesus the Pharisee
or Jesus the carpenter who quoted frequently from the Hebrew
scriptures – or even with Paul, who elevated him. In avoiding the
"treason against Caesar" trap, Jesus after all made this clear
distinction to would-be tax-dodgers : "Render therefore unto Caesar
the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are
God's"
Nor am I rating one Bible Thumper over another. Peter says, Paul says,
and Joel Osteen exhorts members of the flock , "Wear your blessings
well"
https://www.google.se/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&hs=zEU&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&biw=1024&bih=636&noj=1&q=Joel+Osteen+%3A+wear+your+blessings+well&oq=Joel+Osteen+%3A+wear+your+blessings+well&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.67068.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.rF42ilvOsaA
Pastor Adeboye and other religious teacher-leaders like him have large
followings over whom they exert moral authority. They also "wear their
blessings" well, so at least their flock cannot be misled into
believing that money is the devil or evil:
https://www.google.se/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&biw=1024&bih=636&noj=1&q=Rich+Nigerian+pastors&oq=Rich+Nigerian+pastors&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.1687.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.o67qk6rb5qo
Islam's prophet (al-amin) was an honest businessman before he became a
prophet and the Quran advices scrupulous honesty in business
dealings, outlaws "riba" (interest banking), discourages slavery.
(Some of the prophets companions were millionaires...
I am sure that the moral authority in indigenous African religions
impacts on practitioners and make a clear distinction between
criminality and lawful trade...
How to get some of the looted monies back. That should be much more
effective than theological speculations and arguments about religious
IDEAS....
On 11 Sep, 14:11, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <toyinvincentadep...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Cornelius,
>
> But is it fair for you to quote to me the words of
> an itinerant preacher who never had to get a job, he was fed by
> his disciples, only God knows what he wore and how he procured it, he
> took such delight in his virtual homelessness and genteel penury, no
> wife, no amorous or erotic relationships like a normal man and therefore
> no addressing the psychological and social issues such necessities involve,
> practically suicidal in his unrealistic idealism, castigating at every
> opportunity the poor Pharisees,the loyal keepers of Jewish tradition, so
> much so that their name has become synonymous with hypocrisy, a short
> sighted irreverence ironically turned back on him by the sheer Godlessness
> of many of his own later followers, his entire narrative embellished in a
> story of a miraculous birth and resurrection, when perhaps the guards at
> the tomb had fallen asleep after a difficult night crucifying three men,
> while his loyalists stole his body away. Are we to buy the story of
> the large stone being removed from his grave? Of course, its every person
> for himself on whether or not to believe the stories of his appearing
> mysteriously after he died.
>
> In addressing the realities of the corporeal existence that is the human
> lot, is it not more realistic to quote real men, real women, not escapists,
> with due respect to the followers of the Galilean, realists who will help
> us address our necessities?
>
> The gentleman had some good points on being kind etc but he tended to
> overstrech it. Much talk of heaven when the abyss beyond the grave is yet
> unplumbed.
>
> Really, is it not more fruitful to read a site like "Money: How To Spend
> It : A Website of Worldly Pleasure from the Financial
> Times<http://howtospendit.ft.com/the-smart-money>"
> that will inspire one to take the world by the horns and yield to you your
> own share of your right to wealth than indulge in vagaries about a never
> never land where treasures are kept?
>
> thanks
> toyin
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Cornelius Hamelberg <
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > slightly amended:
>
> > "Money is good. Wealth brings you into a different world.
> > With wealth, that world I entered into for a short time in one day,
> > you
> > enter into permanently, coming and going at will." ( Oluwatoyin
> > Adepoju)
>
> > No easier said than done! Possibly my "nafs" dictating that I add
> > some of the very obvious: that that's why some of the Nigerian Ogas
> > would like to own some of the grand mansions in Belgrave and at
> > Grosvenor Square - and (conspicuous consumption) indeed, some of them
> > do, and some fine country estates too, are part of the Merry
> > England's country gentry – have become some kinda Lord
> > Naipauls....upper-crust Oxford accents and all with some of the
> > austere/ aristocratic mannerism of Chief Emeka Anyaoku
>
> > Somehow, thinking of Nigeria in particular and the marriage between
> > money and politics and of Joe Ellah (the late senator Ellah's younger
> > brother) my first benefactor in Nigeria – first week, he took me to a
> > party... before we got there, he told me that there were going to be
> > at least a dozen dollar millionaires there and seriously warned me
> > that should please leave all the socialism bull outside - I did...
> > I was so scared, particularly avoided talking to any of the ladies
> > (the ogas' wives or mistresses or sisters) the whole evening I chatted
> > only with the chief justice, but not about teaching as a subversive
> > activity.... Back in Nigeria in 1983 I went through customs etc. with
> > a Port Harcourt lady at whose hotel I had stayed for a few months and
> > she eventually showed me the Mercedes Benz that her guy had bought for
> > her. I assured her that if she were mine she would at the very least
> > get a helicopter for Christmas. Remember that when Chief Melford Okilo
> > spent 800, 000 naira on his mother's funeral and some NPP etc. started
> > to grumble he asked them, "You don't want me to respect my mother?"
>
> > Such a distance between the rich and the poor - sometimes what is
> > missing is the common touch
> > (Did you see this picture of someone lifting the man of the people:
> >http://www.nairaland.com/1043435/florida-shop-owner-powerlifts-obama
>
> > Can you imagine Scott Van Duzer having the gumption to life Mitt
> > Romney like that?
>
> > I suppose that for some rich people it must be like living in heaven,
> > whilst still down here on earth, in the flesh. Yet, according to the
> > so called "New Testament" appraisal Jesus is reported to have said,
> > "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth
> > nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal" and
> > also said somewhere else,"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel
> > to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the
> > kingdom of God." , although these assurances do not seem to be having
> > the desired effect on some of the would-be million and billion-aires
> > whose philosophy must be a little closer to that of the Sadducees of
> > Jesus' / 2nd Temple period time (my words) " better to enjoy here on
> > earth – and if there is a heaven, up there too"
> > However, we can speculate that some of the do-gooders - those among
> > the super-rich who donate some of that with which the Almighty has
> > blessed them, to charity – and put to other good use, will probably
> > safely arrive at the unoccupied territories - dear Oluwatoyin
> > Adepoju, territories presently not under occupation, you know "the
> > undiscovered country, from whose bourn no traveller returns", and
> > there get a second chance for lifelong enjoyment with the 72
> > virgins...
>
> > Unfortunately, in Africa, from time to time we have been saddled with
> > corporate crooks as presidents and prime minsters - and yet there's
> > this paradox, that there are many poor, goodhearted people who
> > sincerely believe that if they, by some stroke of good fortune ( or by
> > hook and by crook) became rich, they would sell all their
> > possessions, donate all their money to the poor and then take up their
> > cross and follow Jesus...
>
> > If I Were a Rich Man - Fiddler on the Roof :
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=244Str11YNA
>
> > sincerely said,
> > ,
> >http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>
> > On Sep 11, 2:46 am, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > "Money is good. Wealth brings you into a different world.
> > > With wealth, that world I entered into for a short time in one day,
> > > you
> > > enter into permanently, coming and going at will." ( Oluwatoyin
> > > Adepoju)
>
> > > No easier said than done! Possibly my "nafs" dictating that I add
> > > some of the very obvious: that that's why some of the Nigerian Ogas
> > > would like to own some of the grand mansions in Belgrave and at
> > > Grosvenor Square - and (conspicuous consumption) indeed, some of them
> > > do, and some fine country estates too, are part of the Merry
> > > England's country gentry – have become some kinda Lord
> > > Naipauls....upper-crust Oxford accents and all with some of the
> > > austere/ aristocratic mannerism of Chief Emeka Anyaoku
>
> > > Somehow, thinking of Nigeria in particular and the marriage between
> > > money and politics and of Joe Ellah (the late senator Ellah's younger
> > > brother) my first benefactor in Nigeria – first week, he took me to a
> > > party... before we got there, he told me that there were going to be
> > > at least a dozen dollar millionaires there and seriously warned me
> > > that should please leave all the socialism bull outside - I did...
> > > I was so scared, particularly avoid talking to any of the ladies (the
> > > ogas' wives or mistresses or sisters ) the whole evening I chatted
> > > only with the chief justice, but not about teaching as a subversive
> > > activity.... Back in Nigeria in 1983 I went through customs etc. with
> > > a Port Harcourt lady at whose hotel I had stayed for a few months and
> > > she eventually showed me the Mercedes Benz that her guy had bought for
> > > her. I assured her that if she were mine she would at the very least
> > > get a helicopter for Christmas. Remember that when Chief Melford Okilo
> > > spent 800, 000 naira on his mother's funeral and some NPP etc. started
> > > to grumble he asked them, "You don't want me to respect my mother?"
>
> > > Such a distance between the rich and the poor - sometimes what is
> > > missing is the common touch
> > > (Did you see this picture of someone lifting the man of the people:
> >http://www.nairaland.com/1043435/florida-shop-owner-powerlifts-obama
>
> > > Can you imagine Scott Van Duzer having the gumption to life Mitt
> > > Romney like that?
>
> > > I suppose that for some rich people it must be like living in heaven,
> > > whilst still down here on earth, in the flesh. Yet, according to the
> > > so called "New Testament" appraisal Jesus is reported to have said,
> > > "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth
> > > nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal" and
> > > also said somewhere else,"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel
> > > to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the
> > > kingdom of God." , although these assurance do not seem to be having
> > > the desired effect on some of the would-be million and billion-aires
> > > whose philosophy must be a little closer to that of the Sadducees of
> > > Jesus' / 2nd Temple period time (my words) " better to enjoy here on
> > > earth – and if there is a heaven, up there too"
> > > However, we can speculate that some of the do-gooders - those among
> > > the super-rich who donate some of that with which the Almighty has
> > > blessed them, to charity – and other good use, will probably safely
> > > arrive at the unoccupied territories - dear
>
> ...
>
> läs mer »
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