Sunday, December 30, 2012

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Indeed, Mwalimu Toyin Adepoju, pluridisciplinary, multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary approaches are different. I have made the distinctions among them in our book on African peace research methods published by the United Nations University for Peace Press and my book on African-Centered research methodologies published by Cognella Press. I also baptized an overarching method for all three in the first book: i.e. Multiplex Methodology. The UNUPP book is in hard and electronic formats and free of charge, and the CP book is in hard and e-book formats. The following are the URLs for the books:
 
Erin McCandless and Abdul Karim Bangura, Peace Research for Africa: Critical Essays on Methodology,  Geneva, Switzerland: United Nations University for Peace Press, 2007.
 
Abdul Karim Bangura, African_centered Research Research Methodologies:  From Ancient Times to the Present,  San Diego, CA: Cognella Press, 2011.
 
Thanks, Bangura. 

Great congrats on your Protean cognitive metamorphoses, transforming into various disciplinary identities while integrating all these possibilities within a dynamic whole.

 Will also check out the other PDFs you were so good as to suggest. I  expect they will open in a browser.

On the reception of Bernal, it would seem that general scholarly opinion might have reached an uneasy accommodation of him.

What do you think?

The essays you recommended motivate me to commence building a Bangura, a Falola and a Paul Tiyambe Zeleza section of my library at Compcros. This will comprise all the works by these writers, books and articles. Such a collection will help in navigating the multi-disciplinary cognitive map/s represented by their works.

Hopefully such a collection will also be digitised like the wonderful Oxford Scholarship Online, although, in this instance, the online archive will also be organised in terms of cognitive maps that demonstrate correlations between various disciplines represented by each work of these writers in dialogue with other works of theirs, each writer's oeuvre being depicted as a cognitive cosmos, an effort to grapple with the multifarious expressions of existence in terms of dialogue across disciplines. Each of these cognitive forms will also be correlated with the universe of discourse beyond them, from which they feed and to which they belong.  

One could interpret these cognitive cosmographies in terms of the development, across time and space, of efforts to encapsulate the totality of being in terms of the necessary finitude represented by exploratory, expressive and  communicative forms-myth, religion, philosophy, literature, art, scholarship, science. 

Bangura, please could you help me with this question-in what way is the concept of the pluridisciplinary different from the multi-disciplinary and the interdisciplinary  even though I wont pretend to know how those other two are different from each other in the first place. Any enlightenment on that too from anyone would be deeply appreciated. 

Thanks for obliging. Please forgive any sense of seeming to want to be told what can one could find out for oneself, beceause the presentation by an expert provides a distinctive flavour that might not be available from more general presentations and suggests the ideational platforms of the expert's cognitive world, thereby potentially expanding one's understanding well beyond the original subject.

toyin
 



On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Abdul Karim Bangura <theai@earthlink.net> wrote:
Mwalimu Toyin Adepoju, not to give away too much, in Turning the Colonial Library on Its Head: A Pluridisciplinary Analysis of Cheikh Anta Diop's Work in progress, I discuss how Martin Bernal was influenced by and sought to extend Diop's work. He was also influenced by his grandfather, eminent Egyptologist Sir Alan Gardiner. But because Bernal discombobulated Mary Lefkowitz's perfunctory Not Out of Africa, he was later vehemently attacked, even though he is the grandson of the great Gardiner and a distinguished professor of Near Eastern Studies.



Thank you very much, Bangura.

I have accessed the two unlinked PDF files but am sorry to say the linked ones did not open.

I will look quickly through the accessable PDFs, holding off a detailed reading till later,  and distribute your response as a guide to Diop.

I see from Googling Diop that his study seems to a small industry and that anyone who wants to be informed on his work has ready resources for that online. 

How would you place Dop in relation to Martin Bernal? Are they making a similar pint? Does Bernal extend Diop?

I experienced a reminder of your interdisciplinary scope in seeing your essay   discussing Achebe's work in terms of fractal geometry "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart : A Mathematical Exploration"

Biko Agozino also adapts this interpretive view to Achebe's There Was a Country "There Was a Country develops in cyclical or fractal patterns with self-similarity, infinity, recursion, fractional dimensions, and non-lineal geometry in the sections found in the four parts of the book rather than follow a chronological historical timeline in the structuration of the narratives. "

 thanks
toyin


On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Abdul Bangura <theai@earthlink.net> wrote:
My Most Honorable Mwalimu Toyin Adepoju, if I can humbly add my two cents, having been dubbed by the great Samir Amin and his colleagues at his institute in Dakar as a "Diopist," I am happy to share with you the following URLs to my essays that are online and also appear in print on the great Cheikh Anta Diop and his work. I also have many essays on him and his work that are in print but not available online, and I am working on a book manuscript to be titled Turning the Colonial Library on Its Head:  A Pluridisciplinary Analysis of Cheikh Anta Diop's Work,  Insha'Allah.
 
(1) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "Fractal Complexity in Cheikh Anta Diop's Precolonial Black Africa:  A Pluridisciplinary Analysis." CODESRIA Bulletin 1 & 2:10-16.
codesria.org/IMG/pdf/CODESRIA_Bulletin_1_2_2012.pdf
 
(2) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "The Nexus among Democracy, Economic Development,. Good Governance, and Peace in Africa: A Triangulative Analysis and Diopian Remedy." Africa Peace and Conflict Journal  4, 2:1-16.
www.apcj.upeace.org/issues/APCJ_Vol4_Num2_WebOnly.pdf
 
(3) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "From Diop to Asante: Conceptualizing and Contextualizing the Afrocentric Paradigm." Journal of Pan-African Studies  5, 1: 103-125.
 
(4) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2010. "From Cheikh Anta Diop to Ali Al'amin Mazrui: A Pan-Blackism Conceptualization of Black Power." Proceedings of the Black Power Conference in Trinidad and Tobago.
www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/news/BlackPower-Panels2010.pdf
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12/29/2012 2:34:54 PM
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Toyin,
I am responding as myself, and not on behalf of Cornelius to whom you addressed your questions. I have read Diop, and i am a little familiar with him. Encountering him and his body of works was one of those moments that turned us into what we then called 'scientific Pan- Africanists' as opposed to what we saw as utopian pan africanism in the late 80s and early 90s!
However that is not the point of my response, the point of my response is on the bit about the relevance of Egypt to Africans. I get the impression that the very different character of ancient Egypt in contrast to its present Arab character maybe part of that reason. And it was to the unravelling of this dichotomy that Diop partly devoted his life and work!
Warm Regards,
Jaye

From: OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tvade3@gmail.com>
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Cornelius,

Have you read Diop?

What do you think of him?

I have not read him yet. 

He is much lionised by Africa centred thinkers but he does not seem to feature much in the little exposure I have had to readings in African history.

I was struck to see a description in the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge of the ancient Egyptians as Black. I did not know that idea had gained the level of acceptance reflected in such a museum.

In all, though, I get the impression that Egypt has little significance  for many Africans and that its significance is much stronger for Diaspora Africans.

What do you think?

toyin

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Today is Cheikh Anta Diop's birthday  - some of the Diopists have been
celebrating that in Stockholm!

https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&tok=ILstxByuwc-SlnwPzA8Tzw&cp=16&gs_id=9z&xhr=t&q=Cheikh+Anta+Diop&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Cheikh+Anta+Diop&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=fc7fe2b45ce62c75&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614

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