Sunday, December 30, 2012

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Thanks, Cornelius.

'I find it incredible that you are not familiar withCheikh Anta Diop. What and who else are you not familiar with? And mind you, reading his stuff is more important than reading some of the cockroach houses that others have written about him or built around him. So you had better get started.'

Truth to tell, bro, there is much I am not familiar with.

That is why I am keen to know what I need to know. 

Beautiful-'reading his stuff is more important than reading some of the cockroach houses that others have written about him or built around him'.

Thanks for addressing this-

You are puzzled by how little influence Cheikh Anta Diop seems to have had in the English speaking world and of course  he continues to be better known in Francophone Africa and Diaspora. 

Of course it's because he wrote in French and about an area that has little to do with British history and as to his methods which are still in dispute I intuit that once again it is the rigidity or simplicity of the logical positive approach, in contrast with the flowery kinds of French / continental philosophy we are treated to by the French speaking world  – which does not mean to say that Cheikh Anta Diop did not have an extremely tough time in getting his thesis approved as PH.D. material – it is now popularly believed that the reluctance in acknowledging his contribution to original knowledge was due to Euro-centric racism"

When I first entered the Blackwell bookshop in Oxford,the sight hit me hard, like a blow in the solar plexus. "Has my youth been wasted?!" was the question that flashed through my mind. 

This kind of sight, for example, of that bookshop, convinces me I really need an education and need to find one that will maximise me:




It is vital to be exposed to the universe of knowledge in which what one knows is an island.

So, thanks, Cornelius, and thank you very much for the links on your blog. I clicked on those links and had to gape in wonder at luminaries like Falola, Appiah, Harrow, like a child finding himself in a vast cathedral and wondering how he could ever belong within such a magnificent wonder.

Particularly memorable from the Google Appiah search you led me on .

Unforgettable-

"There's the poetry of several spiritual traditions about God being a treasure that the seeker must find or a mystery that the seeker must solve. Some traditions say that He is to be found in the heart of the seeker, some others say that He is closer than the jugular vein of the believer and then there's the whole cosmos out there, the starry dynamo of the cosmos & galaxies also to be found inside – and to be found more plentifully in material time out there."
....
Thought about these things some more as I skimmed this morning's Dagens Nyheter which reports that Higgs' particle is the greatest find out there, this year.

...

Finding Higgs' particle is slightly different from digging in the bowels of history, although the motivation is the same: " Seek and ye shall find" I guess that that's what Cheikh Anta Diop did, with the tools available to him – and one of those tools is the imagination's capacity for the interpretation of the material evidence and the more mystical elements – including language communications.

...

How far can we test the limits of rationality without talking about miracles? 

Fantastic:

'If we examine the matter even more deeply and discover that the very core of the human project as understood by our civilisation and its history, the philosophical discourse has itself been severed, and in its place a deliberate set of pseudo-sciences which stand in for critical thought , assuring that those who desire to think will not challenge the moral foundations of the society but simply while away their time in meaningless debates, about linguistics, literary textual post-mortems,, and hermeneutics....;
from the introduction of Shaykh Abdalqdir al-Murabit's  " For the Coming Man"

Do you have any idea where this happened:

 '...one occasion a student of a distinguished French University submitted a doctoral thesis which contradicted the new world view and found that his examiners accepted the validity of his thesis, and thus, by implication , his scientific methodology had demonstrated his case, only to be stunned by the decision of the French government to revoke his degree, something unheard of in a thousand years of French intellectual history.'
from the introduction of Shaykh Abdalqdir al-Murabit's  " For the Coming Man"


thank you very much for taking this trouble, Cornelius.

toyin
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Toyin,

My half a kobo's worth ( if that currency is till in existence):

http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2012/12/30/re-cheikh-anta-diop/




On Dec 29, 7:42 pm, OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cornelius,
>
> Have you read Diop?
>
> What do you think of him?
>
> I have not read him yet.
>
> He is much lionised by Africa centred thinkers but he does not seem to
> feature much in the little exposure I have had to readings in African
> history.
>
> I was struck to see a description in the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge of
> the ancient Egyptians as Black. I did not know that idea had gained the
> level of acceptance reflected in such a museum.
>
> In all, though, I get the impression that Egypt has little significance
>  for many Africans and that its significance is much stronger for Diaspora
> Africans.
>
> What do you think?
>
> toyin
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> corneliushamelb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Today is Cheikh Anta Diop's birthday  - some of the Diopists have been
> > celebrating that in Stockholm!
>
> >https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&tok=IL...
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