Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Mwalimu Toyin Adepoju, not to give away too much, in Turning the Colonial Library on Its Head: A Pluridisciplinary Analysis of Cheikh Anta Diop's Work in progress, I discuss how Martin Bernal was influenced by and sought to extend Diop's work. He was also influenced by his grandfather, eminent Egyptologist Sir Alan Gardiner. But because Bernal discombobulated Mary Lefkowitz's perfunctory Not Out of Africa, he was later vehemently attacked, even though he is the grandson of the great Gardiner and a distinguished professor of Near Eastern Studies.

Thank you very much, Bangura.

I have accessed the two unlinked PDF files but am sorry to say the linked ones did not open.

I will look quickly through the accessable PDFs, holding off a detailed reading till later,  and distribute your response as a guide to Diop.

I see from Googling Diop that his study seems to a small industry and that anyone who wants to be informed on his work has ready resources for that online. 

How would you place Dop in relation to Martin Bernal? Are they making a similar pint? Does Bernal extend Diop?

I experienced a reminder of your interdisciplinary scope in seeing your essay   discussing Achebe's work in terms of fractal geometry "Fractal Complexity in Mwalimu Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart : A Mathematical Exploration"

Biko Agozino also adapts this interpretive view to Achebe's There Was a Country "There Was a Country develops in cyclical or fractal patterns with self-similarity, infinity, recursion, fractional dimensions, and non-lineal geometry in the sections found in the four parts of the book rather than follow a chronological historical timeline in the structuration of the narratives. "

 thanks

toyin

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Abdul Bangura <theai@earthlink.net> wrote:

My Most Honorable Mwalimu Toyin Adepoju, if I can humbly add my two cents, having been dubbed by the great Samir Amin and his colleagues at his institute in Dakar as a "Diopist," I am happy to share with you the following URLs to my essays that are online and also appear in print on the great Cheikh Anta Diop and his work. I also have many essays on him and his work that are in print but not available online, and I am working on a book manuscript to be titled Turning the Colonial Library on Its Head:  A Pluridisciplinary Analysis of Cheikh Anta Diop's Work,  Insha'Allah.

 

(1) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "Fractal Complexity in Cheikh Anta Diop's Precolonial Black Africa:  A Pluridisciplinary Analysis." CODESRIA Bulletin 1 & 2:10-16.

codesria.org/IMG/pdf/CODESRIA_Bulletin_1_2_2012.pdf

 

(2) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "The Nexus among Democracy, Economic Development,. Good Governance, and Peace in Africa: A Triangulative Analysis and Diopian Remedy." Africa Peace and Conflict Journal  4, 2:1-16.

www.apcj.upeace.org/issues/APCJ_Vol4_Num2_WebOnly.pdf

 

(3) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2012. "From Diop to Asante: Conceptualizing and Contextualizing the Afrocentric Paradigm." Journal of Pan-African Studies  5, 1: 103-125.

www.jpanafrican.com/docs/vol5no1/5.1FromDiop.pdf

 

(4) Abdul Karim Bangura. 2010. "From Cheikh Anta Diop to Ali Al'amin Mazrui: A Pan-Blackism Conceptualization of Black Power." Proceedings of the Black Power Conference in Trinidad and Tobago.

www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/news/BlackPower-Panels2010.pdf

 

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From: Jaye Gaskia

To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com

Sent: 12/29/2012 2:34:54 PM

Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Toyin,

I am responding as myself, and not on behalf of Cornelius to whom you addressed your questions. I have read Diop, and i am a little familiar with him. Encountering him and his body of works was one of those moments that turned us into what we then called 'scientific Pan- Africanists' as opposed to what we saw as utopian pan africanism in the late 80s and early 90s!

However that is not the point of my response, the point of my response is on the bit about the relevance of Egypt to Africans. I get the impression that the very different character of ancient Egypt in contrast to its present Arab character maybe part of that reason. And it was to the unravelling of this dichotomy that Diop partly devoted his life and work!

Warm Regards,

Jaye

From: OLUWATOYIN ADEPOJU <tvade3@gmail.com>
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Cheikh Anta Diop

Cornelius,

Have you read Diop?

What do you think of him?

I have not read him yet. 

He is much lionised by Africa centred thinkers but he does not seem to feature much in the little exposure I have had to readings in African history.

I was struck to see a description in the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge of the ancient Egyptians as Black. I did not know that idea had gained the level of acceptance reflected in such a museum.

In all, though, I get the impression that Egypt has little significance  for many Africans and that its significance is much stronger for Diaspora Africans.

What do you think?

toyin

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Today is Cheikh Anta Diop's birthday  - some of the Diopists have been
celebrating that in Stockholm!

https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&tok=ILstxByuwc-SlnwPzA8Tzw&cp=16&gs_id=9z&xhr=t&q=Cheikh+Anta+Diop&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Cheikh+Anta+Diop&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.bGE&fp=fc7fe2b45ce62c75&bpcl=40096503&biw=1024&bih=614

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