Ken, three years ago, the columnist David Brooks, writing in the NY Times mused aloud about the underlying tragedy of Haiti and its seeming indifference to huge gobs of US dollars posing as aid.
The poor guys was descended upon by an army of liberals, for daring to be honest about these things. He was called racist, etc. There are many questions we have to ask ourselves but liberals won't let us breath. If aid was stopped in Black Africa only the middle class would suffer.
- Ikhide
yesterday or the day before there was a 2 page article on aid to haiti. 6.5 billion dollars, mostly down the drain.
before you quite remove those attached strings, i suggest you read up on how aid really works in the real world.
to begin, when you give a dollar to the red cross or habitat or caritas or any of them, how much goes for administration? how much to pay the aid worker's lodging in the field? her food? her airconditioning, etc etc etc
and worst of all, how much to projects that fail to account properly for local conditions, that ignore local populations and governments in their efforts to deal with situations which they themselves know best
go ahead and read before you decide how much charity is actually put to work for those in need
ken
On 12/28/12 11:07 AM, Chossan@aol.com wrote:
Why do we have to confine foreign to government assistance? The Red Cross, Cartitas, Haibitat for Humanity and others provide a lot of assistance overseas without any strings attached!! More evidence of a giving and charitable society.In a message dated 12/28/2012 3:12:03 A.M. Central Standard Time, emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu writes:You need to read about the strings attached to foreign aid.
Foreign aid is hardly ever free.
Broken families? Yes that's a point. After all the recent killer
came from a broken home- although he seemed to have been fully supervised
by a parent.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History & African Studies
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I can't find any evidence to support the causes of violence cited below:
Most blacks who are the victims of gun violence are victimized by other blacks, hardly evidence of racial animus. As for selfishness, Americans are surely among the most generous in the world. Billions are raised every year for all types of charitable causes both here and abroad. This is apart from foreign aid by the US goverment. There is far more of this than I am aware of or have observed in any African country!! The link between poverty and gun violence? What about the impact of broken families and lack of parental supervision?
Cherno
In a message dated 12/27/2012 12:11:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu writes:
This seems to be sound sociology. You need to lok at the societal context in solving a problem.
This is my summary of his article:
Gun control is necessary but not sufficient to prevent violence in the US. because of some fundamental
flaws in the society, including the following:
a. Racist paranoia against Blacks, a motivation for the accumulation of guns
b. High rates of pauperisation in the society- that fuels violence and crime
c. Selfishness and extreme individualism - that fuels ruthlessness
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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow [harrow@msu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:40 PM
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spoons don't make people fat!
good point. ha!
but, fast food does.
abdul, you and michael moore are right about fundamental things needing to be changed. but meanwhile, let's please reduce the death rate. it is always lower when easy access to guns is denied.
when i was a kid, guns were rare; gangs in ny fought with knives and brass knuckles and chains, and very few died. then came guns, and the city became enormously dangerous.
now they have cracked down on guns, and it is much much safer.
there will always be nutcases ready to murder; but fewer will succeed the harder it is to get those automatic weapons.
remember, australia turned it around; we can too.
ken
On 12/26/12 8:56 PM, Abdul Bangura wrote:
If guns kill, then spoons make people fat!
No, no, no, Mwalimu Ken Harrow, it is not as simple as that. As much as I hate guns, and would like to see all guns, Obama's drones and other weapons of mass destruction disappear from the face of this earth, I also believe that the notion that if we reduce access to guns, then all will be well in the Republic, is a myth. If there are no guns, murderers will simply use other weapons. In fact, most of the deaths in our country are not caused by guns.
The medicine for the problem lies in changing our people's thinking about violence. But because it is the most difficult and inconvenient medicine, we choose to punt by blaming the guns. If we believe that people don't kill, it is guns that kill, then we must also say that spoons make people fat!
> he's wrong. we have too many war weapons out there; there will always be
> some maniacs; reduce their access to the guns. it's as simple as that.
> the rest obfuscates the obvious truth
> ken
>
> On 12/25/12 4:20 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> > RSN
> > Celebrating the Prince of Peace in the Land of Guns
> >
> > By Michael Moore, Open Mike Blog
> >
> > 24 December 12
> >
> > [http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-A.jpg]fter watching the deranged, delusional National Rifle Association press conference on Friday, it was clear that the Mayan prophecy had come true. Except the only world that was ending was the NRA's. Their bullying power to set gun policy in this country is over. The nation is repulsed by the massacre in Connecticut, and the signs are everywhere: a basketball coach at a post-game press conference<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/jim-boeheim-gun-control-9000-wins_n_2321304.html><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/jim-boeheim-gun-control-9000-wins_n_2321304.html>; the Republican Joe Scarborough<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/joe-scarborough-newtown-shooting_n_2315100.html><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/joe-scarborough-newtown-shooting_n_2315100.html>; a pawn shop owner in Florida<http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/gun-seller-i-cant-do-it-anymore><http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/gun-seller-i-cant-do-it-anymore>; a gun buy-back program in New Jersey<http://articles.philly.com/2012-12-19/news/35914645_1_gun-owners-higher-ground-temple-church-camden-county-residents><http://articles.philly.com/2012-12-19/news/35914645_1_gun-owners-higher-ground-temple-church-camden-county-residents>; a singing contest show on TV<http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/watch-tribute-newtown-voice-article-1.1222795><http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/watch-tribute-newtown-voice-article-1.1222795>, and the conservative gun-owning judge who sentenced Jared Loughner<http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/loughner_judge_conservative_gun_control.php><http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/loughner_judge_conservative_gun_control.php>.
> >
> > So here's my little bit of holiday cheer for you:
> >
> > These gun massacres aren't going to end any time soon.
> >
> > I'm sorry to say this. But deep down we both know it's true. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing forward – after all, the momentum is on our side. I know all of us – including me – would love to see the president and Congress enact stronger gun laws. We need a ban on automatic AND semiautomatic weapons and magazine clips that hold more than 7 bullets. We need better background checks and more mental health services. We need to regulate the ammo, too.
> >
> > But, friends, I would like to propose that while all of the above will certainly reduce gun deaths (ask Mayor Bloomberg – it is virtually impossible to buy a handgun in New York City and the result is the number of murders per year has gone from 2,200 to under 400), it won't really bring about an end to these mass slayings and it will not address the core problem we have. Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country. That did nothing to prevent the murders
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