Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BBC --- Timbuktu IslamicManuescripts Not Burned

Dear All,

In my view, Islam is a great religion and I respect its peaceful
practitioners.

I'm afraid that I may have given a very wrong impression and so I'm
begging to be given permission to correct that: Re - When I said that
one of my former teachers Adl Hamza of Mansoura used to tell me that
a Muslim is somebody who doesn't tell lies (darkly hinting at the Shia
doctrines of Kitman and Taqiyya - which I said I think is a
reasonable doctrine ( If the marauding enemy is hunting down Negroes
 and they ask you " Are you a Negro ?" wouldn't it be reasonable to
say " No"? )

Well, Pikuach Nefesh is a good, practical consideration - in my own
personal judgement I would not hesitate to consume some pork - or
any of the forbidden seafood (lobster, crab etc) that I am naturally
allergic to, if that would save my life. I got to thinking about all
those who have been martyred in fulfilment of Kiddush Hashem, but
only after pressing the send button about Adl Hamza.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=2&gs_ri=hp&cp=14&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=Kiddush+Hashem&es_nrs=true&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Kiddush+Hashem&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41934586,d.bGE&fp=2e332a76f0995a1e&biw=1024&bih=634

Yes, we all know about Massada...

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Massada&oq=Massada&gs_l=hp.12..0i10j0j0i10j0.3485.3485.1.5656.1.1.0.0.0.0.81.81.1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.hp.-ZsfWucTwfw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41934586,d.bGE&fp=2e332a76f0995a1e&biw=1024&bih=634

I think that one would have to be very brave should a terrorist have
the sharp blade of the executioner's knife against your throat and
then ask you, "Yes or no , are you a Jew?"

When Sabbatai Zvi arrived at the court of the Sultan he was given a
very clear ultimatum : "OK Mr. Messiah, either you convert to Islam
right now or we execute you !"
For very practical reasons it seems that he preferred choosing
conversion to Islam in lieu of immediate execution.

His disciples were mortified; they said that S-Z chosen Islam so
that he could descend to the depths of hell so that he could redeem
some sparks there …

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=634&sclient=psy-ab&q=Sabbatai+Zvi+&oq=Sabbatai+Zvi+&gs_l=hp.12..0i13l4.3699.3699.0.5277.1.1.0.0.0.0.137.137.0j1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.2.2.hp.J4UCTGz5ykQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41934586,d.bGE&fp=2e332a76f0995a1e

I intend to be away for a while.

I am currently working on "The Naipaul in us" …I'm also currently
feeling upset by Jeremy Weate's erroneous idea that an "African
writer"'s story/ poetry must be located somewhere in Africa or must of
necessity have something to do with Africa and not outer-space or even
science fiction....
I have still not got round to transcribing that Mo Yan interview –
maybe I should learn how to convert the CD into a sound file and
forward that to the forum and to Messrs Harrow, Adesanmi, Ikhide,
Funmi Tofowomo Okelola of CafeAfricana... but will check one more
time. Yesterday, I met an old colleague Birger, a Swedish guy who
translates from Chinese to Swedish told him about my audio copy of
the Mo Yan interview... he says that it's on You tube. I'll check, but
I doubt that we're talking about the same interview.....

My big project ( I'm ambitious) is an appreciation of a "Mouth Sweeter
than Water ". I've read Don Ikhide's masterly review. You notice that
I don't call him " Mwalimu" ?

Cheerio

http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/




On Feb 3, 12:17 am, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> My Egyptian teacherAdlHamza(of Mansoura, Egypt ) used to tell me
> that "A Muslim is a person that does not tell any lies" (I think it
> was his subtle way of hinting at his disapproval of the Shia doctrine
> of Taqiyya  - which I think is a reasonable doctrine ( If the
> marauding enemy is hunting down Negroes  and they ask you " Are you a
> Negro ?"  wouldn't it be reasonable to say " No"?
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=T...
>
> If the two buildings that the Mayor of Timbuktu says were housing some
> precious manuscripts have been burned down, surely charred remains  of
> those buildings is evidence that cannot be denied – except by the
> miracle of un-burning the already burnt  - like bring back a body of
> flesh from the hot coals of the everlasting fires of jahanam
>
> Only thing is that assuming that no inventory had been made as to the
> contents  or  the number of manuscripts etc. then we don't know
> exactly how many manuscripts have been lost if indeed there were some
> manuscripts in those buildings prior to their being set on fire.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/28/mali-timbuktu-library-anc...
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/view-from-bamako-the...
>
> Mwalimu Bangura's statement can only be true/truthful if we can verify
> that there were no manuscripts in the buildings that the mayor said
> were burned down.
>
> Wouldn't it be wonderful if he could provide us with the proof of the
> claims that he's making!
>
> Otherwise would it not be a heinous crime to falsely accuse the
> Venerable Mayor of Timbuktu of lying?
>
> Or should he be judged guilty until proved innocent?
>
> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/2013/02/02/who/
>
> On Feb 2, 3:02 pm, "Abdul Bangura" <th...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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> > It never happened and it will never happen. That crookish mayor has always been a liar and a BOZO. His days as mayor are numbered.
>
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu>
> > > To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> > > Date: 2/2/2013 8:23:53 AM
> > > Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BBC ---  Timbuktu IslamicManuescripts Not Burned
>
> > >         "The Great Tuareg did not burn any Islamic manuscript.......
> > >          They know that to do so will mean Hell Fire or Jahannama."
>
> > >           So you really believe in the tooth fairy- and Santa Claus, too.
>
> > >           Let us thank the  quick thinking Malians who were smart enough and swift enough to hide some of  the manuscripts from
> > >            vandalism and bonfires. Even so, a few of the manuscripts were actually destroyed.
>
> > >            By the way AZAWAD welcomed the French but  warned that Black Africans should not enter their city.
> > >            See BBC News Jan 30, 2013. I guess they did not get their wish.
>
> > >           Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> > >          www.africahistory.net<http://www.africahistory.net/>
> > >          www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> > >        Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abdul Karim Bangura [th...@earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:53 PM
> > > To: USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com
> > > Cc: leonenet
> > > Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BBC --- Timbuktu Islamic Manuescripts Not Burned
>
> > > Mwalimu Kenneth Harrow and those anti-Muslims/Islam who wanted to see the worst in the Tuareg, I have again been vindicated. The Great Tuareg did not burn any Islamic manuscript in Timbuktu. They know that to do so will mean Hell Fire or Jahannama. For us Muslims, the Torah, the Bible, the Qur'an, the Hadith and other Islamic texts are very dare to us.
> > > Timbuktu manuscripts 'have not been destroyed'
> > > Advertisement<http://faq.external.bbc.co.uk/questions/bbc_online/adverts_general>
> > > 1 February 2013 Last updated at 13:20 ET Help<http://www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/7277283.stm>
>
> > > Since Islamist militants were driven out of Timbuktu, there have been conflicting reports about the state of thousands of priceless ancient manuscripts, dating back to the 15th and 16th centuries.
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> > > Researchers now believe that most of the documents had been moved to safe locations and have not been destroyed, as was feared.
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> > > Peter Biles reports.
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