Wednesday, May 1, 2013

USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS



As abhorrent as the behavior of so-called illiterate fanatical Boko Haram members may be, how does the reaction being advocated by our so-called university-educated and supposedly more enlightened and more 'civilized' people like Dr. Ola Kassim and Dr. Joseph Igietseme defer from theirs...?---Dr Ojo



Dr Ojo:

Neither JUI nor myself has written to condone extrajudicial killing of the Boko Haram terrorists.
What we do not support is the idea of sending Nigerian troops to contain the terrorist threat
with their arms tied to their backs.

Nigerian troops must by necessity operate according to the rules of engagement for their assignments.
The rules of engagements generally never include the inflicting of instant justice on their captured or fleeing
opponents

We condemned the extrajudicial murder of Mohamed Yussuf, erstwhile Bo Haram leader
and will continue to condemn such killings.

However, what we do not support is any policy that appears to value the lives of the terrorists over and above
those of the civilians they kill and maim every day and those of the law enforcement officers who are sworn
to protect the civilians.

We would use common sense when assessing civilian casualties during police and military operations to
contain and neutralize the terrorists but we would not let the demand for instant due process
hamper the Nigerian forces so much that they lose their lives and limbs during such operations.

In other words we would continue to give our soldiers the benefit of the doubt until they are
proven guilty following a court martial.

Where were the Human Rights Watch and the so called World Press when the Boko Haram terrorits kill hundreds
and thousands of Nigerian civilians and the police officers who are tasked with protecting their security and providing
peace, law and order?


Bye,

Ola

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From: Valentine Ojo <elewuoye@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 6:47 pm
Subject: RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

Arakunrin Rotimi Fashakin:

I have nothing to add to your deposition here.

There is an Amish community in St. Mary's County (Maryland) where I live. The County respect their unique religious values, and even set up separate schools which their children can reach by foot or riding on their horse-drawn buggies!

There are separate parking lots for their horse-drawn buggies and clear traffic signs for them! They were not forced into any form of religious extremism! Neither are they forced to send their children to universities or to do what most American children are expected to do!

Any educated Nigerian who has resided in the US or in Canada and has not learnt to abhor extra-judicial killings by security officers, and who has not learnt the true meaning of DUE PROCESS has actually learnt NOTHING in his or her entire exposure to Western Democracy!

As abhorrent as the behavior of so-called illiterate fanatical Boko Haram members may be, how does the reaction being advocated by our so-called university-educated and supposedly more enlightened and more 'civilized' people like Dr. Ola Kassim and Dr. Joseph Igietseme defer from theirs...?

I will each educated Nigerian to decide for himself or for herself - is this then really what our so-called Western 'education' is worth...?

Where then is our basis for feeling 'superior' to those we dismiss as belonging to Boka Haram...?

How are supposed to be any different from them...?

Dr. Valentine Ojo
Tall Timbers, MD


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:29 AM, rotimi Fashakin <rotfash@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Dr Joe Igietseme,
Methinks that the same perspicacious treatment you give to work-related issues -which has ennobled you into the status of a renowned Bacteriologist- is exactly what you are expected to do with this issue!
Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group. Initially, they were going after muslims clerics, who in their opinion were not pure muslims. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. What did the police do? They attacked them
Is there a parallel in the US?
Of course, the Amish people of Lancaster, PA. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. They do not inter-marry, ride automobiles, use electricity and seek formal education beyond 8th grade. The US government did not attack them but rather, instituted a law suit. In 1972, the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people. In 1985, I ate in an Amish restaurant. If you go to Lancaster, PA today, do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people.
As we speak, they still ride their horse-driven carts; their pumps are powered by the wind. Nobody has disturbed them. That is the way of civility.
I just wonder what we probably missed as a Nation.
Last year, we came to US for my son's MBA graduation and he opted for a Naija restaurant in Queens, NY. I saw as part of their menu, suya Obalende. Of course, that gave me some nostalgic feeling. I wondered aloud what would have happened if the yorubas in lagos had shown immense hostility to the Hausa/fulani settling in Obalende many years ago, would there ever be anything called 'suya obalende'?
Let the truth be told: we (as a Nation) goofed in our initial handling of the Boko -haram issue. Now it has snowballed into a big calamity. We are now hearing that they desire an Islamic state. But that was not the initial objective of the group. Could they have been infiltrated by terror organisations of this world, in the course of their struggle with the Nigerian authority? May be, Yes!
How do we move forward?
If Boko haram insurgents are killed in their shoot-out with JTF soldiers, that is OK. But it is abominable for JTF soldiers to go from house to house, searching for Boko-haram and killing every unarmed youth in sight!
It is equally reprehensible for the Nigerian security forces to kill extra-judicially any captured Boko-haram operative, just like their leader (Mohammed Yussuf). The way of civility is to try them in our Courts!
It is my opinion that the police men that killed mohammed Yussuf and the other youths (which Al-Jazeera showed us) must be tried for murder. If found guilty, they should be killed at the very spot where they did the first killing.
I have told this story before but, because of its relevance to this case, would be willing to tell it again.
The late General MB Haladu told me (whilst being the Commandant of NASI, jaji where I did my youth service). He commanded a small unit during the civil war. After the war, two soldiers from his unit killed two Nigerians of Igbo extraction. When asked, the murderous two-some averred that the victims were Biafrans! So Gen Haladu set up a court-martial which found them guilty. The Kano-born General then ordered the firing squad be set up at the very spot where the killing was done. That was it. Justice had been done.
I was in a prayer meeting in Akure (organised by Gen Gowon) on June 6, 1998(two days before Abacha's death). Gowon told us that we should thank God for the nation that the people they fought did not resort to guerrilla warfare instead of surrendering. That was very instructive!
Many of the commentaries I have been reading -even from respected academics- are not deep at all. We do not show any understanding of the issues.
Just my two-kobo contribution!


Rotimi.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
From: "Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc.gov>
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 00:22:57 +0000
Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

 
Stevek,
Don't you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices, civil liberties and public safety.
Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX, when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC, Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of "due process" is secondary to the "immediate response" to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties, such as what we have with Boko Haram; BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent, civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied; they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like; they are not being forced to do anything! Rather, this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society; and the members use killing of innocent people, destructions and intimidations as their tactics; What else constitutes a threat to public safety, human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy, build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for "due process" in a situation where citizens are being terrorized, innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses "due process" under such a climate.
In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: "Unusual problems require uncommon solutions"!   Take care. JUI
 
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From: Stevek
Date: 4/30/2013 1:46 PM
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 That's what I thought. That NIDO thing again.
 
 
You guys amaze me. 
 
Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not.
 
Yet, you Olola, want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram.
 
You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole!
 
 
due process of law
n. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters, both civil and criminal, especially in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. While somewhat indefinite, the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness. The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights
I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria!
 
 
 
As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.
 
 
Stevek
Washington, DC, USA
 
A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek
A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume
 
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JUI:

I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them.

When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre.
Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.

How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists
in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd?
How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the
Boko Haram terrorists

The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Serious ailments
need serious solutions!

As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties
the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate
these miscreants.

Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the
federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture.

Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they
could get their 72 virgins in heaven?

Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter?
Bye,

Ola
 
 
---- Original Message ----From: Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc.gov>To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>; usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>; rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>Cc: 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>; Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>; 'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com' <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:51 amSubject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS
 
 
Nigerians are just emotional wretches, a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control.
A bunch of mindless, rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens' live in a standstill; NO WAY!!! Take care. JUI
 
From: naijaintellects@googlegroups.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups.com?] On Behalf Of E. Obi
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After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians.
EUO
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BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping, communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence  and rape,  helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges.
 
The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer.
CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual respect. To do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place.
CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection.
It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women and children. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga.
CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an argument about the 'right to intervene' but about the 'responsibility to protect' and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people.
CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission.
CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.
 
Signed by
Auwal Musa Rafsanjani
Executive Director
CISLAC
 
 
Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental, non-profit legislative advocacy, lobbying, information sharing and research organization. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate; by enhancing lobbying strategies; engagement of bills before their passage into law; manpower development for lawmakers, legislative aides, politicians and the civil society, as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights. 
CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status
AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)Address: No.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street, Off Shehu Shagari Way, By Bullet Garden, Area 11 Junction,Asokoro, Abuja - NigeriaWebsite: http://www.cislacnigeria.net/
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