Dialogues: USA Africa Dialogue Series - RE: [africanworldforum] Re:Uganda is Right to Reject Obama's Homosexual Threats.

I am disappointed...

"Russian President Vladimir Putin defended Russia's anti-LGBT law, saying gays and lesbians are not discriminated against in Russia and the law is aimed at protecting children. Despite Putin's claim the law does not discriminate, Violence against LGBT Russians has also been on the rise since the anti-gay law was passed last June." Why would we compare an African countries to Russia on par? Not even South Africa. I am not talking about GDP or level of sophistication, you can dice and slice it anyway you want but Russia does not receive grants or aids from the EU or US. Nevertheless, the US and EU countries never seized to take the opportunity to criticize Russia LGBT laws, and the ripple effect of such criticism affect economic and political transactions.

Grants are given to those who deserve it. People reward excellence, and many African leaders have not performed to par. Why should the US or EU extend a grant to some country that has enacted a rule of law that threatens the livelihood of its citizens. First off, these types of enactment cost more money. You should know. If a law that violates human right is enacted in any country, majority of the world leaders will use any tool available to them to persuade the dissident-country. While these tools of persuasion are always scalable, the mildest is often cutting aids, grants, etc; then trade sanctions could follow if deemed necessary. I am only entertaining this analysis above to address the cleverly inserted premise of African countries rights to decide its own faith. But this is boring and I do not wish to dwell on it. Let's face it, the issue is homosexual rights as human rights- to be or not to be in Africa.

There was a time, that arguments like these started in the western world, when Christians did not have rights to worship, and they were prosecuted and criminalized. Then Christian gained power and prosecuted other Christians, for worshiping differently, then they all came after the pagans. Then came the notion that Africans have human rights and should not be made subservient slaves. Many people in the diaspora, as well as in Africa opposed the notion. But eventually, all nations caught on sooner or later. Today, gay people are on the stand. This is how far we have come about the issue of human right.

Human right= (being + nature - ( race – ethnicity - gender ) * (experience + civility))

Now we think that while the majority of the world, especially the West, finally came to an understanding that Gay right is human right, that does not apply to Africans and African country leaders who decided against it shouldn't be persuaded to see the forest in spite of the tree?

Are you, herewith your unintelligible argument, saying that Africans are not human enough to deserve human rights? What part of human rights do we not understand? Why should there be a double standard for people in the rest of the world and not for Africans?

If your daughter, son or sibling has this so called homosexual tendency" and happens to be in Uganda, or Nigeria or even bloody Russia for crying out loud, would you agree that the best way for such perceived "deficiency" is to be treated as an act of crime and sent to jail? I think many monkey heads are mixing up gay people with pedophiles, violent fetish criminals and rapists. And you dare go to the Bible, when most of the outed pedophiles are Christian priests. In Africa today, priests of African churches commit crime of adultery, physical and psychological rape beyond human comprehension. Ugandan and Nigerian priestly leaders with useless phd talking kakalakan get to decide the faith of so many people unjustly... What part of politology class did we miss in school that fuels the amnesia of separation of the church and state?

The Nigerians and the Ugandans are on to a witch hunt- now, they want to lynch gay people… Yeah right. You know who else thought that way? Hitler and the rest of the Eugenicist.

Sometimes, Africans appears to more racist and classist than the worsts of the aristocratic brats (Teachers who taught us Nonsense). Perhaps many of our educated fellows still harbor that primordial instinct that makes us uniquely culturally slow …. I say ketchup to that. You ought to know, that one cannot be attempting to do right in one department of life and whilst doing wrong in another. Yeah, Gandhi Said that, and Mandela second it: You are either good or bad. And this is a bad argument to say the very least. This is a stupid legislation enacted by some nominal African leaders who can't see forest because of the tree.

And for you dare drum this up in Diaspora, where a lot of hope, sobriety, and rationality rest on our shoulders… all I can say is gosh! (sigh) get a grip! Please…. What are you saying? homosexuality in Africa is going to destroy African culture? This is a good one for Nollywood and should be on TV. (LOL)

Which culture by the way? African Christianity, or African Islamic? Or, perhaps African spirituality? Or African love culture, governance culture, which tradition is this going to destroy exactly? So where is the cultural imperialism effect that is not already taken its toll on our asses?

This is not a game. People's lives and wellbeing are at stake. So we should be very careful in encouraging countries making a rule of law on what is not fully understood. Homosexuality is not an opinion, some people are born that way. In most cases, it not a choice. This is the first understanding. Even more so, who the 4ck are we to decide who is entitled to love or be loved in return by whom. This is stupid and I am very disappointed that this ugly sentiment is being echoed in the diaspora when it is actually expected from us radiate intelligence and rationalize decisions.

My name is Wale. This my personal response to idiosyncratic correspondences.

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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re:Uganda is Right to Reject Obama's Homosexual Threats.

Africa Has No Obligation to Accept Western Homosexual Entreaties as Human Rights

Dear All:

Making the international waves and distorting the context to invoke guilt by using fanfares such as "hate bill, phobias," the international homosexual lobby is disguising its cultural imperialism on weaker nations by dangling carrot and stick: Accept it and you get foreign aid, if not; we will punish you.

It is one thing for international collaborators to support Africa's causes as TransAfrica championed the fall of Apartheid - but quite another creeping role for foreign supporters (TransAfrica in this mail) to embark on dictation as if the exchange is: We helped Africa, in the process we gained our reputation, so we can use that bona fides as spokespeople on African issues, regardless of whether the popular, African perspectives are to the contrary.

The America dollar says in God We Trust. People can use Biblical foundations and cultural orientations as legitimate sources to inform the spirit and letter of rational laws.

In the US, 4 states prohibit same-sex unions by their statues and 29 used the constitution to ban the practice. Homosexual unions are confined in the Northeast corridor of the US, indicating a cultural underpining. It requires doses of irrationality for foreign, homosexual advocates, who have not summoned the muscles to make homosexuality a national custom in the US, to squirrel internationally, bulldozing from across the oceans in order to fan same-sexing in Africa, battling African pastors along the way, with the President threatening Africa. But Africa fought back. Only Malawi has been frightened by European aid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YqEw6rq-V8

The recently enacted Homosexual Laws in Uganda and Nigeria are within the rights of the nations. If President Obama cannot bully the US congress to enact or repeal laws , the US President is out of order to think he can freely bully African legislatures with Homosexuality as a foreign policy tool. As a matter of principle, Africa should say NO to Obama and the International Homosexual Rights. The mutual respect of the right of nations to make laws cannot be sacrificed at the alter of politicking.

The TransAfrica partner, Frank Mugisha, is a gay man. He is just as entitled to his preference as Saudi Arabia Sheiks in America who desire to have US Embassies grant visas to their more than one wives. Nevertheless, they have to respect American laws. The King Abdullah "has four wives" as far back as 2001. But the King does not use oil or the threat of its embargo to enforce Saudi norms in other countries; neither can any American president be bullish and crazy enough to use homosexual enforcement as leverages in bi-lateral relations in any Middle East sheikdom.

Seriously, this imposition is dared because Africa is considered a weak and vulnerable geopolity, which is susceptible to foreign aid squeeze and psychological browbeating. It raises funds for the "righters."

Well, please take a poll. The majority of Africans on the Continental and those living abroad believe the West has no right to enforce its homosexual opinions in Africa. Curiously, why have the International crusaders of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and the Trans- gendered culture not made the hue and cry in Egypt or Mauritania, the current chair of the African Union? Both countries are in the Maghreb region of North Africa. Somehow, the social engineers think the sexualized, same-sex population naturally happens in Sub-Sahara?

At the UN Women Conference in Bejing, so-called "third world" women were part of the grand "G77" coalition and African groups proved pivotal in beating back the definition of "extended family" to include lesbians.

If African nations are not withholding access to Africa's raw materials unless Western nations accept polygamy (an example), which is criminalized in Western nations, what is the saner reason for the selective application of human rights on sexual liberties?

If the West cannot threaten Russia that recently criminalized kissing by homosexuals, why are threats issued to Africa. The threat to withdraw aid could have been so laughable if the moral hypocrisy did not stink to the high heavens. Have these countries tried this stuff on Pakistan? America threatens to withhold $400,000 from Uganda while freeing up more than $1.6 billion in aid to Pakistan, a country that criminalizes the same homosexuality as Uganda did.

In the United Arab Emirates (UAE), consensual sodomy is criminalized under Article 80 of the Dubai Penal Code. However, the bilateral relationship between the US and Dubai cannot be stronger, with UAE ports hosting more U.S. Navy ships than any port outside the U.S. Can Obama go there to talk up homosexual rights ......or esle?

C'mon now. Who is kidding who? This is not a conviction based on human rights as the West is shouting with a conscience that is evidently selective and prone to amnesia.

MsJoe

In a message dated 2/24/2014 2:35:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, makakalajr@yahoo.com writes:

'The anti-gay measure was introduced in 2009 by a lawmaker with the ruling party who said the law was necessary to deter Western homosexuals from "recruiting" Ugandan children.' (http://news.yahoo.com/uganda-president-signs-harsh-anti-gay-law-165249542.html)

While I believe that homosexuality should be discouraged and be kept out of society, I usually tend to hold a position to the effect that homosexuality should not be criminalized. This is the only point where gay activists and I tend to agree.

As I was driving home from the office I got to review this position as I was listening to BBC Swahili's reports of Museveni's signing of this anti-gay bill into law. That is when it occurred to me that GIVEN the current onslaught of Western push for the so-called gay rights which will only be get worse it is NECESSARY to have a much stronger stance to homosexuality practices.

And this is exactly that I read in this article about an hour ago. Like Museveni, I believe that homosexuality is a social phenomenon, more like a social disease. While people may keep their eyes closed against any type of social corruption, it is another thing completely when individuals start to peddle their corrupt lifestyle in the open. Gay rights activism, as championed by Obama, is an affront to common-sense, and when children have to be forced to believe that they can choose their sexuality and gender because their friends have 'two daddies' or 'two mommies'- that is where we have to draw the line. Perverse human nature does not need any encouragement to manifest itself.

While the law as rightly reported has great potential for abuses, I think Museveni got his reasoning right. And it is scary when one's thinking aligns to any of these African dictators'...

Charles.

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In a message dated 2/20/2014 2:44:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, info@transafricaforum.org writes:

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TransAfrica Joins Partners in Uganda and Internationally in Demanding that Uganda President Museveni Reject Hate Legislation

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to stop Uganda's Anti-Homosexuality Bill

Dear Contact First Name,

TransAfrica adds its voice to amplify the outrage of Ugandan and international human rights defenders in response to the most recent attack on the rights of LGBT people in Africa. We demand that President Yoweri Museveni reject the Anti-Homosexuality Bill (AHB) passed by Uganda's Parliament in December 2013. The AHB is widely recognized as hate legislation that would strip lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered Ugandans of their fundamental human rights. Despite his initial refusal, President Museveni said on Friday, February 14, that he would sign the bill which would criminalize "the promotion or recognition" of homosexual relationships.

Nicole C. Lee, president of TransAfrica, stated:

"We join our partner, human rights leader Frank Mugisha, and his organization Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) in condemning the attacks on our brothers and sisters in the LGBT community in Uganda by an extreme fundamentalist minority. We demand that President Museveni refuse to sign the unconstitutional and hate-filled Anti-Homosexuality Bill passed by the Parliament at the end of last year. The AHB criminalizes an already vulnerable population and feeds irrational hatred and violence towards LGBT people in Uganda."

Ugandan civil society and our partners at SMUG are asking that Americans call on our government to bring the U.S. Ambassador to Uganda back to the U.S. for consultation. This temporary recall will send a strong message to President Museveni.

You can help by making a call today! Please call Secretary Kerry's chief of staff's office at: 202-647-5548.

Here is a call in-script to use:

Hello, my name is ---------------------- and I am calling to urge Secretary Kerry to take immediate action on Uganda's Anti-Homosexuality Bill, and recall the U.S. Ambassador to Uganda, Scott DeLisi. The Ugandan Civil Society Coalition on Human Rights and Constitutional Law has requested the recalling of U.S., European and other Ambassadors, for urgent consultations about the way forward for human rights in Uganda as well as in Nigeria, where a similar bill was signed into law by the President. I stand with Ugandan Civil Society concerned about the safety of their LGBTQ citizens, and strongly urge Secretary Kerry to recall U.S. Ambassador Scott DeLisi immediately.

[Thank you to our partners at Health Gap for creating this call to action!]

I'm including more information from TransAfrica's statement calling on President Museveni to reject the bill below. I hope you will join us in taking action today!

For respect of all people's basic rights,

Nicole Lee, President
TransAfrica

P.S. If you like receiving action alerts like this one, please consider making a donation to TransAfrica now!

Background Information from Uganda:

The forty-member Civil Society Coalition on Human Rights and Constitutional Law (CSCHRCL) in Kampala, Uganda, called on President Museveni to consider the health consequences of the AHB, as well as the violation of human rights: "Uganda has long been a trail-blazer in the fight against the scourge of HIV/AIDS. The AHB will greatly hinder these efforts .If the President assents to the Anti-Homosexuality Bill and it becomes operationalized, efforts to reach these populations may become illegal and implementers of public health strategies could be liable to criminal charges-alongside the people intended to benefit from these programs. This endangers the Ugandan population as a whole."

The Kuchu Diaspora Alliance wrote an open letter to President Museveni, calling for him to create meaningful dialogue and lead Uganda with a position based on "informed research rather than irrational reaction." In the letter they noted: "Although the death penalty clause was eliminated from the bill, we believe that criminalizing innocent Ugandans and silencing those who address human rights violations will lead to escalated violence, discrimination, and blackmail against members of our community. If made law, the bill-as with all legislation that is not based on informed research-could be used as weaponry against heterosexual Ugandans who differ in belief and opinion. The effects of signing a bill that threatens the lives of innocent citizens may be impossible to reverse."

The bill will also have far reaching effects on human rights defenders in Uganda as a whole. As the National Coalition for Human Rights Defenders of Uganda (NCHRDU) explained, "The Bill violates the rights of sexual minorities and defenders working to create an enabling environment for Human Rights Defenders to continue doing their work of promoting and protecting human rights."

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