Dear Bamidele Badejo,
Thank you. I agree with you and add China and India in the mix. India has since the 1800s been brought by the British to East (to build the bridge to nowhere before the 1888 Berlin Conference) and South (mainly in Durban) Africa and we all know the Chinese predatory economic invasion for resources lately.
The bane of our intellectuals is that our reasoning is hardly grounded in reality. All the hard work of nation pacification and nation building are done for us by either colonial oppressors or a few serious and grounded thinkers like Chief Obafemi Awolowo. The political elite are in post to steal and reap the dividends of what they did not work for but are busy acquiring through political intrigue.
Uniting Africa will cost too much in aggressive warfare and strategic thinking. What we can do as you rightly posited is seek economic and social development to the extent that all Africans will start yearning for a minimum economic and social level of life to warrant an economic union similar to the 1957 EEC - European Economic Commission and its sister one and evolve into the EU we have today. we are always trying to run before we can crawl.
Cheers.
IBK
On 19 April 2014 02:59, <dbadejo2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear IBK
I enjoyed your summation of the challenges and set backs for a United States of Africa and I am in tandem with your position that it cannot work even at least for now.
There is another aspect of the United States of Africa impossible debate that you missed out which I consider a very strong rationality for an impossible United States of Africa.
IBK, do you foresee a situation where America, Europe including Russia and Asia will fold their arms for the consummation of a United States of Africa. I am sure that the intrigues and international political conspiracy and permutations that will be at play to ensure that it does not manifest will be unimaginable.
However, let us not be tired and weary of challenging our intellectual reasoning as how to add value to the quality of life and living condition among African societies and nation state. There is urgent need to also question the quality of governance, security, and development. My submission is that a United States of Africa is currently an unattainable agenda.
Bamidele Badejo.
OOU, Ago-Iwoye
Ogun State. NigeriaBamidele BadejoFrom: Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk2005@gmail.com>Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 19:55:49 +0300ReplyTo: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - nigerianid] Re: united states of Africa is an idea whose time has come .....entire paradigm shift......before AU.........Ola Kassim,
Those who call for the United States of Africa remind me of your shallow thinking and dogmatic adherence to the notion that Africans having children is evil and Joe Igietseme denying and negating his Agenebode roots in his misguided rush to replace it with a flawed Nigerian ethnicity.
America was built by those who committed huge atrocities to kill and steal Ameri-Indian lands and take it all over!
Africans have lived ib Africa from the dawn of the emergence of humans. We were never wiped out and our lands stolen!
We emigrate to other places. We are a part and parcel of human evolution and we can not be railroaded into morphing overnight into some mono African identity. We are diverse and shall remain so for millions of years ahead.
IBK
On 17 Apr 2014 19:21, <olakassimmd@aol.com> wrote:--Dear All:
How realistic is the idea of a United States of Africa given the following prevailing realities:
a) the majority of African countries have proven that they are unable to govern
themselves properly under democratic settings
b) most Africans still harbor significant attachments (loyalties) to their ethnic (tribal) origins at
the expense of their loyalties to their countries
c) the majority of African countries are still afflicted with major disparities in income and wealth
distributions--with a few mega rich, rich and rapidly dwindling middle class and majority 50 to 90%
underclass and the abjectly poor.
d) considering that the majority of the African countries are unable to harmonize their ethnic and cultural differences
towards strengthening the overarching cultural values that bind them together--how would the disparate multilingual
multicultural and multi-religious citizens manage in a United Republic of Africa.
e) how connected would the citizens of a United Republic of Africa be to the overarching government at the center
when they are currently mostly disconnected to the central governments of their current nations?
f) considering that the governments in most African nations are currently rife with corruption wwhich is encouraged
by the relative lack of checks and balances and accountability frameworks, who would an even more distant handle
the issue of corruption at national levels.
g) who would the issue of a common currency be handled considering the major disparities in GDPs and GDP per capita
as well as productivity levels between African countries.
Until the above questions are addressed, the idea of a United Republic of Africa--a laudable dream of Pan Afrikanists,
dead and alive, past and present would probably remain a pipe-dream at least in our lifetime!
The underdevelopment of Africa, African countries and their peoples relative to other regions of the world is not due to the absence of a central government.
Countries can still remain under indivisual governance whilst participating in an economic union--similar to the EU or ASIANA.
Bye,
Ola
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Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:50 AM
Subject: united states of Africa is an idea whose time has come .....entire paradigm shift......before AU.........
Much greetings of peace and blessing. Yesterday I visited your embassy. I admired by the photos…….the green at the middle of the cross, the two….. do you remember ……… the flag of Ghana…red….yellow, and green also black star…... Do you remember galvanizing……….do you remember the blood that…………yes no time. Yes no time………my beloved brother mel is pushing it wisely............
Do you know that everything happens for its own reason? Do you know that god will choose those that are not called. He will bring them up in front of those who lacks humility………many servant arrived home safely, the one on the left cathced, ……… tree leaves drooped, it seems empty leaves…..Peace nobel prize arrived home safely. White knife trying to using money power, using our own people, The wine using our own people.....………….Brother Kofi last two days I have been ……….it is part of almighty service mission. on the street around church with brothers. It is an amazing……. We are READING A VERSE AND CONSULTING ONE ANOTHER. They are more than happy for everything. They said our heavenly father day is reaching. He will come back to judge everyone as………… I asked them why they will not get in to the church and find some places to sleep. They said look these church have more than 30 rented houses let alone to give for us we are not allowed to enter…..and one brother wake up and reminded us ……Jesus take a and exiled them……..from the church. Jesus told them my house is said the house of prayer not the house of ….thief's ( wonbede), market place or business place. Remember the three Abrhamic faith, Kofi calls it lazraza……jew( ) and....... he told them I will construct it within three days. They laughed. Jesus is saying I will construct it with three days. Yes the church is you. you must born again. It's a win/win situation—what Paul meant as he wrote his letter to the Philippians. He was under house arrest by the Romans at the time; aging and facing increasing health problems. He was eager to be traveling and preaching, yet he couldn't leave the premises. And how did he respond? With a letter of incredible joy. For one thing, he was experiencing God's presence. No chains could limit that. For another, he was ministering to people through letters, and even to the Roman guards. He knew that if he was in prison, then it was somehow part of God's purpose for him, so he never lost his hope. And here's what he said: "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain" (Philippians 1:21).To live, for him, was to experience Christ; to die was to go and be with Christ. Paul was a citizen of heaven, and therefore joyful on earth regardless of his circumstances. Here is just one that I've found to be foundational to living a life that echoes into eternity:Submission and Yielding to God: Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. (Romans 12:1) A sacrifice is something costly that is offered fully and without reservation. In the time of Paul, who wrote these words, animals were presented for sacrifice to God. But God had come in the flesh, through Jesus, to present himself as a living sacrifice for people. And in response, we present ourselves to him. This means that no longer are we slaves to legalistic, obligatory sacrifices. We are free to be joyful givers for the sake of righteousness. We don't make empty gifts with our hands, but full and loving gifts with our hearts in an "I want to obey" attitude toward God (Romans 6:17). It's the end of empty religion and the beginning of loving relationship. There are many more attitudes, all outlined in the Scriptures. With God, this is always true. He "is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us" (Ephesians 3:20)."Send me your light and your faithful care, let them lead me; let them bring me to your holy mountain, to the place where you dwell." Psalm 43:3 (NIV) "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20(NIV)The choice to serve God and God alone means that we live to please him rather than ourselves. There's no way to overstate how great a leap in perspective that is. Our flawed, sinful human nature keeps pointing us toward the self-driven life at every turn: "Look out for number one!" "You have to toot your own horn." "You have to do what's best for you."But Christ beckons to us, saying, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me" (Luke 9:23).As it turns out, the way of self-absorption—attractive as it initially is—leads only to brokenness and despair, while the way of following Christ leads to deep joy and fulfillment. This is why Jesus said, in the very next verse following his statement about denying oneself, that "whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it" (Luke 9:24). You find yourself by giving yourself away.How ……let us see him. They are still in the elementary understanding. They only know an house constructed of cement stone………… yes no more fake business is another thing. Our lord mission to adam is another thing. My brother you yourself is constructed for the church of lord.You are value is a blood on the cross. The best way to ensure that when we approach death we do so without remorse is to ensure that in the present moment we conduct ourselves responsibly and with compassion for others. Actually this is in our own interest, and not just because it will benefit us in the future. Compassion is one of the principal things that make our lives meaningful. It is the source of all lasting happiness and joy. And it's the foundation of good heart, the heart of one who acts out of desire to help others. Through Kindness, through Affection, through honesty, through truth and justice toward all others we ensure our benefits, this is not the matter of complicated theorizing. It is a matter of common sense. There is no denying that our happiness is inextricably bound up with the happiness of others. nor is there any denying that the more miserable we become. These we can reject everything else religion, ideology, all received wisdom. But we cannot escape the necessity of love and compassion. This is there is no need for temple or church, for mosque or synagogue, no need for complicated philosophy, doctrine, or dogama. Our own heat our own mind, is the temple. Now brother kofi I will transfer to complex one………I am going to tell you about the mystery of holy trinity. Do you remember the seven deadly virtues. Do you remember the seeds that are …..Some of them on the good land, some of them on mud, some of them on black rock, some of them on the asphalt road………… brother….told us human beings and angels differ in their creation. God formed humans out sand, land and then ………fire, water, …….do you remember that the visit of the holy trinity to the house of lot………some …come and asked him to show …..Who entered these house show us……..Remember kofi these while in our journey………..teach using real experience. Specially these week."The apostle John raises the same question squarely when he says: "If any one says, 'I love God.' And hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.", 1 John 4:20 burkhardt argues that most sins against God are not offenses directly against Him but against other human beings. By the same token, reconciliation with God presupposes mending one's offenses against other human beings who were the causes of the conflict with God in the first place.Matthew 6:12 verses 6:14- 15 reiterate: "For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."The Psalms have various illustrations of the relationship between spiritual reconciliation and reconciliation with self. Psalm 32:1-2 says: "What happiness for those whose guilt has been forgiven….. What relief for those who have confessed their sins and God has cleared their record. "Another illustration is Psalm 37:11 "But all who humble themselves before the Lord shall be given every blessing and shall have wonderful peace." John 14:27 is illustrative of the peace that emanates from spiritual reconciliation: "I am leaving you with a gift-peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give isn't fragile like the peace the world gives. So do not be troubled or afraid."In the sermon on the Mount, Jesus tells a parable that underlines this relationship between the first and third dimension of reconciliation. He tells a story of a servant that owed his master money and was compassionately forgiven from payment because he was unable to pay. But the servant refused to grant the same forgiveness to another unfortunate person that had owed him money and was unable to pay. When the master heard what the servant did, he retracted his forgiveness and recovered every cent he was owed. At the end, Jesus says. So shall my heavenly father do to you if you refuse to truly forgive your brothers "See Matthew 18:23-35. This is what we are trying others understand.Next …we are going to secondary truck…….but also complex one…….cross networking and understanding.Previous one………. And many others………………I will take you to the most complex ones, every caution of end of history……..for example the moon, the underground black water, the whitewater, poison water in the cup, the Abrhamic faith, Sara, Agar, Ismail, Isaac, the star, yakob,…….i think you will understand it wisely. It is for you. Read them carefully. Then as god promised he, will send for you the white bird in your heart that……..then you will be given guide with mysterious…..that no one in the earth can see………..if they did anything to you it is for your perfection. Your almighty is with you always.At this point if you want we can discuss about age (all in all when we say children's is it about age or …………….????/ If you want, all animals that are dead during Noh then one bird came with …..If you want end of history from book of Daniel, from book of Fekare Eyesus( attached with these letter) where all these examples are stated clearly if you want………there is nothing new in this world. At the final I will return you to the manual AND FRAME WORK given to you by your creator before7000 ……..STAY AWAY FROM COMPETITION AND ………………….Note: see specially "Fekare Eyesus" page 5, 6, 7( caution for greediness, corruption, poverty and its source, how to give and the consequence of hate,( page 8) , current homo sexual crisis and why you must respect your own culture and its consequence Hiv etc…. ……. (page18, 19) state and government relation, the consequence of hierarchy and who is……….(p. 20, 21), eternity(p 29, 30), at the last turn up side history. How do we know that Jesus will return back? Hidden for most of them (99%) and its consequence. Wake up!!!!!!!!……………. (Page 31, 32, 33, 34,) all activities are intended to save you. If you give hiddenly it is for you.
As I already told you ……they are working day and night. Grouping accordingly. No one can see them…………
WITH LOT OF LOVE, CARE RESPECT ANDDEMELASH NEDA
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much greetings of peace kofi……. "Don't store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal. Store your treasures in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. Wherever your treasure is, there the desires of your heart will also be." (Matthew 6:19-21, NLT)nuts catched, moths catched, rusts catched, thieves catched, the crocodile on challenge…..the ship sunk…………..do you remember the flag of Egypt…..black, white and red………then eagle……also united states….eagle……what do you think of mussie while leading the Israelites people out of colony. He used the ….Aron. TEWDROS ……( YEKUNENE BEKEME TEBELENE…..alechenge abat be tetena dengel besegam be nefesem neshet nat ena(AMHARIC) ) Saint Gabriel come up with happy news….saint virgin marry you will give a son….….. How could it be? Since I didn't now any men …….what is impossible to humans will be possible to god. His name will be Jesus. He will be a savior…….do you remember the seed that Adam eats…….here is the medicine……….. Now the two black birds eating that …..seed I told you run away.( Christianity and chapistick, prostution, adultery, trouser, eyelishdecoration.....……can not go one another. Saint virgin marry is pure in both fleshy and spirit. sara gave birth to isaac out of spirit. Now we are left with that snake to be born. The one who drinks a water by one leg. . Now cross network abrhamic faith…….sara agar, ismail, Isaac, fleshy, spirit. returning back do you remember that the mother of mussie is Egypt………but he only stay for three days in Egypt…….while during exile from….saint virgin marry visited Ethiopia…many other monasteries…….do you remember during travel time the two on the cross ……………both of them are a theft of dress. Do you remember that saint virgin marry gives using her one leg shoes to the trusty dog. I can take you to that or….………………now you can remember the water…….the white color in the middle……..the black color and agar…………at the middle eagle ( already catched)……… as I already told you no time……a tree that does not bear a fruit will be cut. the doors of the sky will be open to fill…….no time….last night we visited many of the city places including dance place, prostitution, drugs, those who wear trousers………loudly return back to ……..repent. the kingdom of god is approaching…. who heard this message let him tell to others…………….remember these all are the first period of pregnancy……….when the moon will give birth to that snake………………( page 2 of fekare eyesus……) at that time the doors of canals will be closed. There will be no cloth, no shoes……………….at that time they will cry but to late. They will beg for death but to let………..now the two legs of earth is shaking. we are traveling to end of history of these earth. no time……… escape to the mountain. "send me your light and your faithful care, let them lead me; let them bring me to your holy mountain, to the place where you dwell." psalm 43:3 (niv) "i have been crucified with Christ and i no longer live, but christ lives in me. the life i now live in the body, i live by faith in the son of god, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20(niv) JESUS SAID TO PAUL I WILL GIVE THE KEY OF …………I WILL CONSTRUCT THESE CHURCH ON well structured …..STONE……………HER GROUND WILL BE MY BLOOD…….dear kofi do you remember about camel and his endurance to travel on desert……"there is a land of sailing ships; a land beyond the rivers of Cush which sends its envoys by the Nile, journeying on the waters in the vessels of read. Go. Swift messengers go to a people tall and smooth skimmed, to a people drained near and farer, a nation strong and proud, whose land is scoured by rivers. do you remember about ……….star…………..so brother kofi in what ways do you want your house to be constructed……….Switzerland does……red cross and crescent society…the European union likes to fund ….a project on women's giving birth …..also you know about blood bank……..your home will be built on the blood that is paid to you on the cross. not the blood of these earth……….. The white bird…….the mystery of holy trinity……………the seven deadly virtues. Stay tune. CNN Royal……………and other…………With god, this is always true. He "is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us" (ephesians 3:20).As I already told you ……they are working day and night. Grouping accordingly. No one can see them…………holy trinity mystery……….escape brother to the Biggest mountain the city is burning. HINT: (page (26) ……….
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