RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - FW: Ebola a man made virus? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-conspiracy-theories-1460421

'.....it's ok to call someone slightly paranoid. we can debate it. and i
like that better than having to annotate or document, which i do in my
formal publications.
this is probably better, in the end, for the community who share it.' harrow

Ken, this is indeed a harrowing contradiction of what your previous post implied.

I don't expect you to underestimate the intelligence of this august group- so
I guess you are simply trying to eat your cake and still have it for dinner.



Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History & African Studies
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
New Britain
CT 06050
africahistory.net
vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow [harrow@msu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:36 PM
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dear oa
i am talking about language; you about literal definitions. i wrote: "i
understand the words "conspiracy theory" to mean the views of someone
who is slightly paranoid, and the way it is expressed conveys this."
the use of those terms, paranoia, conspiracy theory, is rhetorical, not
literal. it is political speech; speech in the market place, how we
agree and disagree, not speech in the clinic.
so, that's how i take facebook, as a e-market place for the exchange of
ideas. not formally, nor formal speech; but ideas, concepts, and discussion.
the best way to talk, publicly.
i don't disparage it; i like it, until it becomes flaming. on this list,
often the humor is marvelous; often the anger is warranted; often the
info is important.
and sometimes there is an idea that is slightly off-the-wall.
that's ok; without it, the market place becomes anodyne.
so, it's ok to call someone slightly paranoid. we can debate it. and i
like that better than having to annotate or document, which i do in my
formal publications.
this is probably better, in the end, for the community who share it.
though admittedly, if we all went off the wall, i'd quit.
ken


On 8/19/14 11:31 AM, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:
> I do not see that paranoia, slight or not, is always associated with what some call conspiracy theories. There is legitimate disagreement or doubt. There is informed and sincere skepticism. Experience counts for something. Agreement in the public square is not always conditional on 100 percent unanimity. Disagreement or doubt can be healthy. They should be encouraged. They should be disproved. They should not be hastily thrashed and whoever hold them called names. Experience teaches that the definition and advancement of the public interest are too important to be left to politicians and business people only. Why then is evidence based disagreement or doubt (remember they lied to us in the past for example) hurriedly dubbed a conspiracy theory driven by paranoia albeit slight? Is it sometimes because some privileged interest(s) may not be well served by the public knowing the plain and whole truth?
>
> oa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 8:38 PM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - FW: Ebola a man made virus? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-conspiracy-theories-1460421
>
> since ogugua brought us back to nutty theories--ok, sort of--here's my take on the paranoia for the following On 8/16/14 10:08 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
>> Ten paranoid claims and conspiracy theories that are now generally
>> recognized as true
>>
>> 1. The use of torture by the US government in rendition programs during the Bush administration. I THINK THIS IS TOTALLY MAINSTREAM BELIEF BY EVERYONE. MOSTLY THE REPUBLICANS EXPLAIN WHY THEY TORTURED, NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T DO IT.THAT MAKES THEM RIGHT WING MANIACS, NOT LYING MANIACS.
>> 2. Attack of Iraq had a hidden agenda and had nothing to do with Saddam and chemical warfare. ALL POLITICS IS OVERDETERMINED, SO ANYTHING BECOMES "HIDDEN" IF IT'S NOT OVERLY DISCUSSED. DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG ISSUE TO ME. ANYONE WHO REALLY BELIEVES THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVED THAT WMD WERE REAL IS NAIVE BEYOND BELIEF.
>> 3. That Economic Hit Men deliberately put countries into debt (See Perkins, Confessions of an EHM) I DEFER TO YOU ON THIS; I TEND TO BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE.
>> 4. The FBI was involved in the assassination of Martin Luther King I DON'T KNOW WHAT "INVOLVED" MEANS. THEY HAD SOME ADVANCED NOTICE, MAYBE? IS THAT CONFIRMED? I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED.
>> 5. Arafat was poisoned. THAT'S BEEN CONFIRMED.
>> 6. Global warming YOU HAVE TO BE A REAL IDEOLOGICAL NUT TO CONTEST THIS
>> 7. The US mortgage crisis of 2008 was engineered by companies such as Bank of America, Goldman Sachs etc SEEMS EXAGGERATED TO ME. THEIR POLICIES PROBABLY BROUGHT ON OR EXAGGERATED THE IMPACT OF THE CRISIS, BUT I NEED TO SEE SOMEONE LIKE KRUGMAN'S TAKE TO BELIEVE THEY ENGINEERED THIS CRASH ON PURPOSE. THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD HAVE COME TO A CRASH.
>> 8. The NSA spies on European allies such as Merkel as well as US citizens WELL, SINCE OBAMA APOLOGIZED, HOW COULD IT NOT BE TRUE?
>> 9. The Germans spied on members of the US administration for a decade I'D BE ASTONISHED IF SPIES WEREN'T SPYING ON US OR THEM. ISN'T THAT THEIR JOB?
>> 10. Patrice Lumumba was assassinated by Belgian and US operatives BELGIANS, I KNOW. THE RAOUL PECK MOVIE MADE THAT CLEAR. THE U.S. PROBABLY GAVE THE BELGIANS A GREEN LIGHT,BUT THE BELGIANS DID THE KILLING. I'D BE SURPRISED IF PECK GOT THIS WRONG.
> I THINK THAT MAKES ME 95% PARANOID.
> I KNEW IT!
> KEN
>>
>>
>>
>> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
>> africahistory.net
>> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
>> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>> ________________________________________
>> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow
>> [harrow@msu.edu]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:32 PM
>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - FW: Ebola a man made virus? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-conspiracy-theories-1460421
>>
>> all this is true, and yet it can still be a conspiracy theory.
>> i understand the words "conspiracy theory" to mean the views of
>> someone who is slightly paranoid, and the way it is expressed conveys
>> this. you are saying, correctly, that someone who is paranoid can even
>> be right--but still be paranoid. i could be paranoid in thinking the
>> fbi is after me, even if the fbi is after me.
>> now, we are on the internet here, where we are assailed by a million
>> emails from a million different voices. we all read those voices as
>> seeming reasonable or seeming off the charts.
>> for me, john blyth's comments had the ring of one whose views i
>> wouldn't be comfortable hearing, much less sharing, because of that
>> little warning bell that says, oh-oh.
>> ken
>>
>> On 8/16/14 5:01 PM, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:
>>> The etiology of the ebola virus is not yet a settled matter. There should be no rush to judgment one way or the other therefore.
>>> There is a tendency sometimes, to characterize legitimate doubts, skepticism, and suspicions as conspiracy theories. No one knows with absolute certainty that the Ebola virus is not man-made.
>>> Abstract biological and chemical research happens. Some businesses and governments have vested interests in such research. Some such research produced inorganic and organic matter that though not naturally-occurring, now exist. The virulent life and other forms such research creates are all not always well understood. The search for better understanding creates the need to carry out tests. Some of the tests may be on other (usually) extant life forms preferably away from home. Any outcome is possible of the tests.
>>> Research also may and does get out of control sometimes. Outcomes and their management may not always as expected.
>>> If germs including viruses can be destroyed, it stands to reason that they can be created too. Once created, the germs may escape from their control environment. They may auto-mutate or willfully or not be caused to mutate.
>>> Then again that one is not sure does not always mean that the one is not right.
>>>
>>> oa
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth
>>> harrow
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 1:39 PM
>>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - FW: Ebola a man made virus?
>>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-conspiracy-theories-1460421
>>>
>>> no, i don't know anything about its etiology. but the conspiracy thinking is over the top.
>>>
>>> On 8/16/14 2:18 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
>>>> Subject: Ebola a man made virus?
>>>>
>>>> Colleagues,
>>>> These comments are of John Blyth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See
>>>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-conspiracy-theories-1460421
>>>>
>>>> GE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...............................................................................
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will present why there should be no doubt that the spread of this altered, airborne Ebola virus was developed in labs, intentionally spread, and may be an effort by the world's elite to put the world's population into submission while ever increasing their wealth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Biowarfare researchers from Tulane University with Doctors Without Borders have been in every location where Ebola has broken out. Why are biowarfare specialists there at all?
>>>>
>>>> 2. The media keeps telling us that there is no vaccine for Ebola. This is not true. Researchers have successfully demonstrated a vaccine in the use of animals years ago.
>>>>
>>>> 3. There is even a patent on the virus. This means it is an invention. What was added to the virus to be able to be considered an invention by the patent office? Rumors are that it was combined with SARS in order to make it airborne. Previously. Ebola had always been deadly, but difficult to infect others.
>>>>
>>>> 4. The list of people and corporations invested in the treatment of this virus are the usual suspects who have somehow avoided justice for long lists of crimes.
>>>>
>>>> 5. It is said that the AIDS researchers who lost their lives on the second Malaysian plane disaster were about to release evidence at a Melbourne conference of major evidence that the retrovirus HIV was engineered to be more virulent in order to cause a major crisis. As you may know, billions if not trillions were made from the treatment of AIDS and millions have lost their lives . There is video on YouTube entitled, "The Man who Invented AIDS," which is a must watch that everybody should see. Also, Cheney has a history with disease, having made a lot of money from the swine flu vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Of the usual suspects who have invested in Ebola: the Bushes, Cheney, British Royalty, George Soros, one in particular has been in the news a lot lately, Jacob Rothschild. JR may be the richest man on earth and he is known for his hold over or close relationship to the treasuries of the world including the US. He is known for his control over the CIA and his influence over the American military. He has started many front organizations in coordination with the CIA with control over oil, media, and banking. What is curious is his stock in Blackrock that is majorly invested in Tekmira, a Canadian company with a "new" "experimental" drug that has just been approved for trials in humans. I mention this because it seems that JR just keeps having unbelievable luck. Invested in Ebola just as help is needed everywhere. And, secondly, happened not to be on a plane that almost all of his employees were on that went missing. Thirdly, because the other four owners were on that plane that went missing, JR suddenly became sole owner of a microchip that had just been patented the week before that experts are saying is primed to take over the world economy.
>>>>
>>>> 7. The US Govt announced two years ago that they had successfully
>>>> created a method to give Mad-cow to anyone. This means that our
>>>> government is heavily invested in biowarfare. There are many past
>>>> examples of gov experimenting on its own people. This implies that
>>>> there is a culture of ruthless mischief in gov that is given carte
>>>> blanche that has never been reined in who is not willing to let any
>>>> weapon or scheme to conquer the world go unused. less
>>>>
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