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Joe Attueyi:

After Tunji Abayomi's three interventions, and now that we have established the more-than-adequate academic credentials of both Dr. Goodluck Ebele Jonathan (PhD, UniPort, Zoology, 1995) and Dr. Muhammadu Buhari (Honoris Causa:  Bauchi (DSc, 1994), Ilorin (DLL?), Enugu State (LLD, ???), Calabar (LLD, 1996) and Benue State (LLD, 1998)), can we please move on to full discussions of their achievements - past, and present -  and future hopes?

Thank you....we have only thirty-four days more for convincing and decision-making on this our rickety bridge that needs firming up.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

Anxious for genuine debate

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The Education and Learnings of Muhammadu Buhari  

By Tunji Abayomi

January 10, 2015

There appears to be a great anxiety by some to assert and spread wrong conclusions arising from my two previous notes on the education of General Buhari. I have not said General Buhari did not attend Primary or Secondary Schools. He did. What I said and stand on, is that section 131(d) of the Nigerian 1999 Constitution focuses not on certificates but on education. I repeat, for the avoidance of doubt, a certificate where available may well prove the education level of the citizen desirous of becoming President, but without it, he can still meet the education qualification by other modes of proof.

General Buhari met that proof before the eminent men and woman of the APC Screening Committee (A.S.C) He did that by affidavit evidence under oath and by interaction and reaction. The Screening Committee justly and rightly concluded that "he has been educated up to at least school certificate level or equivalent.

Those who refer to the disqualifying provisions of section 137(i) (j) … "he has presented a forged certificate to the Independent National Electoral Commission " to affirm that the Constitution requires a certificate are plainly wrong. In section 137 (1) (j) a citizen contestant who makes a false representation ("forged certificate") to INEC stands disqualified. A citizen who presents no certificate cannot be disqualified by a "forged certificate". The interest of section 137(1) (j) is in truth or falsehood not certificate.

Now my argument is not that General Buhari was or was not educated. It is that with all the certificates of any contestant, all that the constitution plainly requires in section 131(d) is a show that he has been educated up to the school certificate level or its equivalent not any particular certificate.

General Buhari is well educated. This is why he thinks well, speaks well, reads wells and interacts well on National issues. All you need do is listen to him in live interviews or conversation. Only yesterday I listened to the inspiring interview he gave when Nigeria turned 50.

General Buhari attended Primary School in Daura/Maiaduwa (1948 – 1952), Middle school, Katsina (1953 – 1956), Katsina Provincial Secondary School (now Government College), Katsina (1956 -1961) Nigerian Military Training School, Kaduna and Cadet Officer Course Aldershot UK (1963) Platoon Commander Course, Military College Kaduna (1964), Army Transport School, Bordan, UK (1965), Defence Service Staff College, Wellington, India (1973-1974), U.S Army War College (1979 -1980).

General Buhari also displays an impressive Professional carrier. He was  Platoon Commander (1964), Battalion Adjutant / Commander (1967) Brigade Major (1970), Commander, 31st infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division (1972), Colonel, General Staff, 3rd Infantry Division Headquarters (1974) Military Governor, North East State (1976) Commissioner for Petroleum and Energy Resources (1976), Chairman, NNPC (1978), Military Secretary, Army Headquarters (1979), Member, Supreme Council (1979), GOC, 4th Infantry, 2nd Mech. Infantry, 3rd Armoured Division (1981-1983), Head of State and C-O-C (1983-1985), Chair PTF (1994-1999).  I have only mentioned a few.

In addition to the above learnings, he has received impressive honors among which are, to mention a few, GCFR, CFR, Defence Service Medal, Congo Medal as well as D.Sc/LL.D (honoris causa) of the Univ. of Bauchi, Ilorin, Enugu State, Calabar, and Benue State.

The APC Screening Committee is expected to make intelligent decision within the context of the qualification requirement set out in section 131(d), that is, to decide whether General Muhammadu Buhari "has been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent."

The APC Screening Committee rightly and intelligently decided that with or without the presentation of any certificates, his written profile, supported by his deposition put it beyond doubt that he has been educated beyond School Certificate Level or its equivalent.

Tunji Abayomi

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Buhari Certificate Controversy: The Logic Of The Constitution 

 

By Tunji Abayomi

 

Jan 6, 2015

 

First let me express profound appreciation to the Press for raising issues that concern Nigeria in the open space of public discussion. After reading over 100 reactions to my initial position that what the Constitution requires in section 131(d) is the level of education which may be shown by a certificate or otherwise, I feel compelled to speak further on this issue so that we can be adequately educated at least constitutionally.

To begin with i noticed that some questioned my grammar without actually pointing out specific grammatical error in my writing. They appear indirectly to have confirmed the vision of the Constitution that the education or level of education should have precedent over certificate. Were we to focus solely on certificate, I have too many academic certificates to exclude me from questioning whether with regard to my thoughts or the way they are expressed.

The Nigerian Constitution in section 131(d) intelligently, in my view, set out a broad outline of educational qualification for the citizen who wants to be president. It focuses on a growing education process which having regard to the words of the Constitution mainly looks at knowledge……"he has been educated up to at least school certificate level or its equivalent." The Constitution did not even say that to qualify for election to the office of president you have to go to school. In my considered view and having regard to the unambiguous words of the Constitution a Nigerian citizen who is at least 40 years old and who belongs to a Nigerian political party and who is adjudged to have been educated up to at least School Certificate level will meet the education requirement set by the Constitution.

For the education of those who spent so much energy requesting for the high school or West African School Certificate(WASC) from Gen. Buhari the issue needs to be explained. Like i said previously, the Constitution spoke only of school certificate level which is left to be determined by objective assessment by minds that the society can at least be adjudged to be competent and capable. You can, for example have a WASC  without being educated up to at least school certificate level or its equivalent. Like i said previously you could successfully purchase one at "Oluwole." In the same manner you may never have gone to a formal education institution yet be educated far beyond school certificate level.

A simple example will easily make the great logic and profound intelligence of the Constitution clear. Suppose Mr A was educated merely by interaction as it used to be in ancient times. He then decided that he wants his daughter to be a great Philosopher. He bought great philosophy books and employs home teachers for her, never sent her to school. Out of learning at home, his daughter Titun developed great interest in philosophy exceeding the expectation of her home tutors. Soon Titun wrote a great book in Philosophy which became a leading text-book in major world universities such as Oxford, Berkeley and Harvard. Now Titun, one of the world's leading scholars wants to run for the office of President of Nigeria. She has no certificate from any formal education institution. But we all know of her great philosophical works. I ask, could we say she is unqualified for election because she has not been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent since she has not formal school certificates?

Certificate as set out in section 131(d) is at best a rebut table proof of education not its definition. In the view of the Constitution, and this is very intelligent, it is knowledge which it recognizes as growing to a level…"he has been educated up to"….that must define the education qualification of the Nigerian citizen desirous of contesting for the office of President.

General Buhari is at liberty to present his certificates if he chooses to rely on them and prove through them that he has been educated to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent. But he could also leave it to the better judgment of the Screening Committee of his party, more or less like a board that sits to accept or reject a Ph.D dissertation. The essential point is that he needs not present any certificates. The judgment as to whether he meets the education qualification set by section 131(d) of the Constitution is not his at all, but that of the Screening Committee of APC. That Committee to which I was a member, in my considered view, has adjudged him to be educationally qualified to the satisfaction and hope of  the Constitution. The insistence that he must produce his certificates is trivial and definitely constitutionally unwarranted.

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How APC Screened Buhari And Educational Qualification For Presidential Contest  

by Tunji Abayomi 

 

Jan 03, 2015

 

In view of so much interest shown in the non-presentation of the Certificates of  Buhari, APC Presidential candidate to INEC, much interest has been shown in determining whether he has met the Constitution's education qualification. As a member of the APC screening Committee, I can affirm unequivocally that Gen. Buhari met the education qualification prescribed by the Constitution.

 

General M. Buhari joined the Nigerian Army in 1962, attended military training before proceeding to Officers Cadets Training at Mons Officer Cadet School, Aldershot, UK. In 1963 he was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant and appointed Platoon Commander 2nd Infantry Battalion, Abeokuta. During this same period he attended the Platoon Commander's Course at the Nigerian Military College, Kaduna.He later also attended Mechanical Transport Officers Course at the Army Mechanical Transport School,Borden, UK. General Buhari attended the Defence Services Staff College, Wellington, India in 1973 and from 1979 to 1980 as a Colonel, he attended the U.S. Army War College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

 

Still the question remains, has General Buhari without presenting especially his school certificate or its equivalent met the education precondition set for Presidential Candidates in the Constitution?

 

To begin with, the Constitution does not prescribe the presentation or show of any Certificate to qualify for election to the office of President. Under section 131(d) of our Military Constitution, a person shall be qualified for election to the office of President if "he has been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent." While a Certificate may unequivocably show that a contestant has been educated up to at least School Certificate level, his education without a Certificate may show, again unequivocably that he has been educated up to the equivalent of School Certificate level. For example, assuming A is the best all A student in Ajuwa Grammar School, Okeagbe, Akoko. Now on the very day before the commencement of the West African School Certificate, he sexually harrassed the daughter of the English teacher as a result of which he was dismissed, will A be said not to have met the education qualification of section 131(d) of the Constitution?

 

In my view A has not only been educated up to at least School Certificate level he would also be deemed to have been educated to its equivalent.  This position finds support in section 131(d) which neither prescribed a pass which is required for certification nor a fail which denies it. The interest of the Constitution is with the level of the education of the candidate howsoever acquired, not the certificate he aquires ipso facto.

The APC screening Committee was made up of several eminent highly educated and enlightened men and one Woman.They came to the conclusion after putting APC presidential aspirants through a most rigorous test that all the APC aspirants met the constitutional qualifications including education qualification to contest for election to the office of President. They confirm this by awarding them a certificate. The    qualification set by the Constitution for contest is the level of education not its certificate. While a certificate may irrevocably prove that the education qualification has been met, it could in the same manner prove rebut ably only that it has been met. Where for example a Certificate has been purchased for example in "oluwole" as it has  happened in several instances, a candidate though in possession of a certificate cannot be said to have met the education qualification of the Constitution because he has not been educated not to talk of up to school certificate level.

 

With reference to General Buhari having regard to his unimpeachable military training, an irrefutable presumption was properly made by the APC screening Committee that he met the education qualification set by the Constitution. Those who contest this or who intend to contest that he met the education qualification of section 131(d) have the burden to disprove the irrefutable presumption not General Buhari.

 

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On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:10 PM, 'topcrest topcrest' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

General Buhari attended Primary School in Daura/Maiaduwa (1948 – 1952), Middle school, Katsina (1953 – 1956), Katsina Provincial Secondary School (now Government College), Katsina (1956 -1961) 

Folks,

We are getting somewhere at last. At last someone has developed the cojones to specifically mention the formal schools Buhari attended before getting to NDA.

In line with the relevant section of the electoral act Nebu has supplied us Buhari needs to swear to an affidavit that:

"The list
or information submitted by each candidate shall be
accompanied by an Affidavit sworn to by the candidate at the
High Court of a State, indicating that he has fulfilled
all the constitutional requirements for election into that
office".

That way any interested party who believes the affidavit is false can seek the court to disqualify the candidate. Right now candidate Buhari has not sworn to the correct affidavit. Hopefully 'honest Nigerians' can tell the 'honest candidate' to do the right thing for once

Joe

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 6:50 PM, 'Leye Ige' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The Education And Learnings Of Muhammadu Buhari
By Tunji Abayomi




There appears to be a great anxiety by somes to assert and spread wrong conclusions arising from my two previous notes on the education of General Buhari. I have not said General Buhari did not attend Primary or Secondary Schools. He did. What I said and stand on, is that section 131(d) of the Nigerian 1999 Constitution focuses not on certificates but on education. I repeat, for the avoidance of doubt, a certificate where available may well prove the education level of the citizen desirous of becoming President, but without it, he can still meet the education qualification by other modes of proof.

General Buhari met that proof before the eminent men and woman of the APC Screening Committee (A.S.C) He did that by affidavit evidence under oath and by interaction and reaction. The Screening Committee justly and rightly concluded that "he has been educated up to at least school certificate level or equivalent.

Those who refer to the disqualifying provisions of section 137(i) (j) … "he has presented a forged certificate to the Independent National Electoral Commission " to affirm that the Constitution requires a certificate are plainly wrong. In section 137 (1) (j) a citizen contestant who makes a false representation ("forged certificate") to INEC stands disqualified. A citizen who presents no certificate cannot be disqualified by a "forged certificate". The interest of section 137(1) (j) is in truth or falsehood not certificate.

Now my argument is not that General Buhari was or was not educated. It is that with all the certificates of any contestant, all that the constitution plainly requires in section 131(d) is a show that he has been educated up to the school certificate level or its equivalent not any particular certificate.

General Buhari is well educated. This is why he thinks well, speaks well, reads wells and interacts well on National issues. All you need do is listen to him in live interviews or conversation. Only yesterday I listened to the inspiring interview he gave when Nigeria turned 50.

General Buhari attended Primary School in Daura/Maiaduwa (1948 – 1952), Middle school, Katsina (1953 – 1956), Katsina Provincial Secondary School (now Government College), Katsina (1956 -1961) Nigerian Military Training School, Kaduna and Cadet Officer Course Aldershot UK (1963) Platoon Commander Course, Military College Kaduna (1964), Army Transport School, Bordan, UK (1965), Defence Service Staff College, Wellington, India (1973-1974), U.S Army War College (1979 -1980).

General Buhari also displays an impressive Professional carrier. He was  Platoon Commander (1964), Battalion Adjutant / Commander (1967) Brigade Major (1970), Commander, 31st infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division (1972), Colonel, General Staff, 3rd Infantry Division Headquarters (1974) Military Governor, North East State (1976) Commissioner for Petroleum and Energy Resources (1976), Chairman, NNPC (1978), Military Secretary, Army Headquarters (1979), Member, Supreme Council (1979), GOC, 4th Infantry, 2nd Mech. Infantry, 3rd Armoured Division (1981-1983), Head of State and C-O-C (1983-1985), Chair PTF (1994-1999).  I have only mentioned a few.

In addition to the above learnings, he has received impressive honors among which are, to mention a few, GCFR, CFR, Defence Service Medal, Congo Medal as well as D.Sc/LL.D (honoris causa) of the Univ. of Bauchi, Ilorin, Enugu State, Calabar, and Benue State.

The APC Screening Committee is expected to make intelligent decision within the context of the qualification requirement set out in section 131(d), that is, to decide whether General Muhammadu Buhari "has been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent."

The APC Screening Committee rightly and intelligently decided that with or without the presentation of any certificates, his written profile, supported by his deposition put it beyond doubt that he has been educated beyond School Certificate Level or its equivalent.

Tunji Abayomi

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Bro OtitigbeDon't
mind Nigerians. They are the biggest hypocrites on the face
of the earth.
Lets
take Nebu's excerpt of the electoral act:

Section
31(2) of the current Electoral Act states as follows:
"The list
or information submitted by each candidate shall be
accompanied by an Affidavit sworn to by the candidate at the
High Court of a State, indicating that he has fulfilled
all the constitutional requirements for election into that
office".
   
How does Buhari's affidavit meet this legal
requirement?
But all the 'honest Nigerians' seeking
a 73 year old man to come and 'fight corruption' for
them cannot be honest in even a small matter like
this!
The fact seems to be that the old man did NOT
attend any formal western type school until he got into NDA.
Why an honest man will not simply admit to what is becoming
obvious is strange. 
Naija people sef.
Joe  On Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:53 PM,
Otitigbe Obadah Oghoerore Alegbe (PhD)
<otitigbe@oviri.com.ar> wrote:

   

 
 


He
did not even state which certificate.
Otitigbe.
 
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Nebu,
I am
watching Man City play Everton--football being my
saturday chilling out activity. I will read the electoral
act and revert on yours below.


In the
interim, for purposes of argument you wrote:


Your point number 3 is inaccurate too.
Buhari's affidavit affirmed that he met the
constitutional requirement for the office he is
vying.




This is
a copy of Buhari's affidavit:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NaijaObserver/conversations/messages/374528



the
relevant section: "I am the above-named person and deponent
to this affidavit therein. All my academic qualifications
documents as filled in my presidential form, President
APC/001/2015, are currently with the Secretary, Military
Board, as of the time of presenting this
affidavit.
"The affidavit is made in good faith and
for record purpose. The affidavit is made in good faith and
for record purposes."
Where
does it affirm that Buhari met the constitutional
requirement for the office he is vying?


It is
possible that his "my academic
qualifications documents as filled in my presidential
form." that are currently with the Army
do NOT meet the constitutional requirement. And he has NOT
claimed in this affidavit that they do has he?


Joe



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Pastor Joe,
I
responded to you a few minutes ago before seeing this piece
of yours. I cannot respond to you in detail now but the
following points are necessary.


Your
point number 1 is incorrect: the constitution only requires
an education to the LEVEL of school certificate, not a
minimum of school certificate or its equivalent. Let me
explain that: I made division 1 in my WASC examination
(missed distinction by one point -- A2 in math) but some of
the candidates who took the exam with me failed woefully.
One thing that those who failed and those of us who excelled
have in common was/is that our education was to the level of
school certificate (here in America it is called high school
education). Bottom line, a candidate is qualified by merely
being educated up to high school education, whether he
obtained the certificate or not -- that is exactly what
section 131(d) of the constitution says.


Your point number 2 is also false -- INEC makes no such
requirement of any candidate for president (see my previous
response for details on this).


Your
point number 3 is inaccurate too. Buhari's affidavit
affirmed that he met the constitutional requirement for the
office he is vying. He indicated where his certificates can
be found, without indicating that he does not have any of
his certificates; it is actually a stretch to conclude that
he does not have his certificates or any certificates at
all.


Your
point number 4 is correct as to my prior belief. Once I read
the Electoral Act, I amended my error, not recanted. You are
also correct that you need not know the legal jargon Olu
reeled out, after all this matter is purely political and
administrative in nature, not a clear legal matter on and of
itself. 


For now, I bail out in order to care of real
business.
 


Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion
sired irrationality.



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Bro
Olu,
Firstly
I do NOT know the meaning of 'probative value'
neither must I have knowledge of 'law of evidence'
before I can make reasonable comments on political
matters.


1) The
constitutional requirement is that a candidate for president
must, among others, have a minimum educational qualification
of School Certificate or equivalent


2)
INEC requires each nominated candidate while submitting
his/her nomination form to attach evidence of meeting this
constitutional requirement


3)
Buhari, in order to meet this INEC/Constitutional
requirement swore to an affidavit that his certificates are
with his former employers--the Army.


4)
Nebu initially asserted that this affidavit did NOT meet the
INEC requirement. He has now recanted.


5) I am
asserting that Nebu original position was correct. If Buhari
knows where his certificate is then he should get the
certificate and attach it to his INEC forms. If the
certificates are missing then he should swear to an
affidavit detailing his school certificate (or whatever
equivalent certificate he has) and indicating that they are
missing.


You
either agree with Nebu that Buhari's affidavit as-is
suffices as evidence he has met the requirement or you agree
with me that it does not.


I
don't see what knwoing the meaning of 'probative
value' or 'law of evidence' has to do with the
discussion. If Buhari continues along his current path I am
sure at the appropriate time those with an interest in the
matter will test the issue in court and you can get an
opportunity to discuss 'probative value' and
'law of evidence' with fellow lawyers.


BTW I
have found this debate very depressing--both from a Buhari
perspective and from those of you who purport to sell him as
an honest man. It is becoming clear to me that Buhari does
NOT possess a School Certificate. However given the
positions he has held and the courses/trainings he has
attended he clearly has its equivalent and more. An honest
man will be upfront with the facts. A honest man who is his
supporter will do the same. If a man cannot be honest in
little things how can he be honest in big things?



Joe







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Pastor Joe,


Please let us rewind a little bit….What is the
constitutional requirement?  Is it that you must be at
least of School leaving Certificate standard or
qualification or that you must produce the evidence of such?
 Thirdly are you attempting to re-draft the law of
evidence?  The issue of probative value will arise if the
veracity of the facts are challenged in court.  To the best
of my knowledge no one not even your reverend self has done
so….




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You may argue that
its probative value is less but not otherwise.



Bro Olu
Yours
above is what I just argued. I may not have done it with
legal elegance of language   


I
insist that Swearing to an affidavit that your certificate
is with your former employer cannot suffice as meeting the
constitutional requirement ---especially when one can get a
copy of the said certificate in the same time it takes to
swear an affidavit 


Joe
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Pastor Joe,


Sir you are wrong, you may swear an affidavit to
any set of facts you believe to be true…  to
wit it is used to
state, in writing and under oath, that certain things are
true. You may argue that its probative value is less but
not otherwise.




With
Regards


Olu Ojedokun









https://www.createspace.com/4943826










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Nebu

An
affidavit may suffice as evidence for meeting the required
educational qualification BUT that affidavit has to be sworn
saying candidate has XYZ certificate 2) XYZ certificate is
missing ( or whatever reason why you cannot attach the
certificate and 3) candidate swears that (1) and (2) are
true. 


You
cannot swear to an affidavit that your certificates are with
your former employers and claim that such an affidavit
'suffices as evidence of meeting the constitutional
requirement '. 


Joe

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On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:39 PM,
"'Nebukadineze Adiele' via
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wrote:



Ayo,
Please
see the appended mail below. In a nutshell, I apologized for
doubting and for also being rude to you over the certificate
matter. You were correct all along -- that affidavits
suffice as compliance. I had not read the Electoral Act when
I doubted you and uncharacteristically joined the mischief
makers in their mendacious exhibitions.  


Cheers.


Nebukadineze Adiele 
Organized religion sired
irrationality. 









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||NaijaObserver||Nowa Omoigui to produce Buhari hidden
certificates......I have seen
them.....................Buhari unhappy with Nigerian Army
over certificate scandal •Says Army has been
politicised


The
Snake,
On this one, Nowa is 100% correct, General Buhari's
papers are intact and Ebele must start preparing his hand
over notes. My only concern was why they were not forwarded,
not that he does not have the qualification to be
president. 


I have glanced over the Electoral Act (EA) and I can
report that Ayo Ojutalayo is correct that affidavits, that
affirm compliance to electoral (qualification) demands, are
acceptable. On that account, I apologize to Mr. Ojutalayo
for having been hard on him over this matter. 


Nwanna,
you guys 'd better join the movement -- Ebele is done as
president. His failure is beyond toleration and only a
stupid people will reelect a man whose six years in office
are this failed. 


Eze
Ebere is done, sai Buhari! 


Nebukadineze Adiele 
Organized religion sired
irrationality. 




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The
Snake,
On this one, Nowa is 100% correct, General Buhari's
papers are intact and Ebele must start preparing his hand
over notes. My only concern was why they were not forwarded,
not that he does not have the qualification to be
president. 


I have glanced over the Electoral Act (EA) and I can
report that Ayo Ojutalayo is correct that affidavits, that
affirm compliance to electoral (qualification) demands, are
acceptable. On that account, I apologize to Mr. Ojutalayo
for having been hard on him over this matter. 


Nwanna, you guys 'd better join the movement --
Ebele is done as president. His failure is beyond toleration
and only a stupid people will reelect a man whose six years
in office are this failed. 


Eze Ebere is done, sai Buhari! 


Nebukadineze Adiele 
Organized religion sired
irrationality. 






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Nebu,

Someone
said you claimed to have apologized to Ayo for coming hard
on him on the issue of Buhari's certificate. I did not
see the apology even though I am more concerned about what
exactly you apologized for than I am with an apology. Can
you re-post what you apologized for, to satisfy my
curiosity?

 


Ayo
Ojutalayo






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>>Just as I 'prophesied
' that Jonathan will run regardless of his personal
wishes so I 'prophesy' that the elections will hold.
We have come too near --less than 5 weeks-- for it not to
hold.<< 


Why should there be a contemplation
as to the election holding or not? The holding of
the election is not optional, it is mandated by the
constitution of Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999. The
constitution is categorical that the only way that a person
occupies a leadership position in Nigeria (an elective one)
is through the exercise of democratic election. If Ebele and
his fellow hooligans (apology to Rev Mbaka) stay in office
even one minute past the midnight of May 29, 2015, they will
have carried out a coup d'etat and will therefore be
subject to trial for treason. If convicted, they will be
lined up at the Bar Beach and executed. 



The Nigerian constitution only
made a mild provision for suspending an election for about
90 days. That can only occur if the country is at war or
there is a national calamity whose effect is as devastating
as a war. No such situation exists in Nigeria of today, so
the elections must hold. Anyone who suspends the election,
using boko haram as an excuse, will be guilty of treason
and will be subject to execution. This nonsensical talk
about, "if the elections holds", must stop
forthwith. The elections must hold and Ebele will be
defeated, period.   





>>I suspect that the results
will be very close with Jonathan beating Buhari with a small
margin.<<   


Oh yeah? If that happens, then
Nigerians must be certified as the dumbest Africans alive.
Jonathan has accomplished nothing to absolute nothing in his
six years as president and only a thoughtless people will
reelect him as president. If there are more thoughtless
Nigerians than there are thoughtful ones, then Ozodiobi
Osuji's long held wish, that Nigeria deserves being
wiped off the surface of the earth, should be
reexamined. 



>>Then will come forth Pastor
Bakare's prophesy. The 'elders' will come forth
with a 'doctrine of necessity ' , we will all seat
together and restructure Nigeria properly so it will matter
less who is president --- and hopefully live happily ever
after.<<


The above is nothing but a malaria
induced day dreaming. There is no provision in the
constitution to restructure Nigeria. Ebele's confab is
illegitimate and unenforceable. Any effort to restructure
Nigeria must emanate through constitutional amendment.
Anything else is nothing but ojoro.
  


Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired
irrationality.



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for example, if the elections hold - 


Prof,
Just as I 'prophesied ' that Jonathan will run
regardless of his personal wishes so I 'prophesy'
that the elections will hold. We have come too near --less
than 5 weeks-- for it not to hold. 


The question , for me is after that what then?


I suspect that the results will be very close with
Jonathan beating Buhari with a small margin. The
'smallness of the margin' will make the defeat more
painfully for the Buharimaniacs and all the tension that has
been bubbling under the surface will spill over ( you only
need to read them online or listen to them in person to
understand the maniacal tension under which they seem to
have placed themselves )   


Then will come forth Pastor Bakare's prophesy. The
'elders' will come forth with a 'doctrine of
necessity ' , we will all seat together and restructure
Nigeria properly so it will matter less who is president ---
and hopefully live happily ever after. 


I have been known to be wrong but on this I doubt I
will be wrong. Tighten your seatbelt   There is a rough
ride ahead


Joe
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On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:55 AM,
"Mobolaji Aluko alukome@gmail.com
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wrote:



 








Morgan Omodu:


Nice....We shall be watching both campaigns.  As
someone "on the ground", if my public
intellectuality is sufficiently motivated - for example, if
the elections hold - then I might critique both sides.



But we shall see....


And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko




On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at
9:26 AM, 'Morgan Omodu' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:



Prof:


Compliment sir. As per what its expected from GEJ
campaign team, its been done and part will be unveiled
today. We are not calling for just come and vote for us, we
are not calling for 'change dole' we are rather
using what has been achieved as the basis to get support and
project it with what to be done next and how it will be
done. 


Thank You sir.

Morgan Omodu


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On Jan 7, 2015, at 4:02 AM,
"Mobolaji Aluko alukome@gmail.com [OmoOdua]" < OmoOdua@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:




 






Joe Attueyi:


In the next five weeks, instead of picking on asinine
irrelevancies, what I am expecting:


(1)  the GEJ Campaign Team to do is to:


    A)  itemize all the areas of their achievements
in the past six years;
    B)  honestly itemize areas of where they had
hoped to achieve but did not
    C)  tell what more they would do in the next
four years in A
    D)  what they would do to achieve in B
    E)  how they hope to ACHIEVE in the presence of
dwindling oil fortunes
          on which our economy depends
    F)  how the ECONOMY, SECURITY, and EMPLOYMENT
will SPECIFICALLY be improved, ie those areas that affect
the most number of people in the country.cis 


Honestly, they should FORGET about too much criticism
of the GMB team along the usual avenues of religious
bigotry, certificate non-submission,
Tinubuic-Jagaban-Bourdillon accusations, or the like.


(2)  the GMB Campaign Team to:


    A)  critique the stated achievements of the GEJ
Campaign, admitting where it has done well (and it would
continue if it won), and where it has not achieved much, if
at all
   B)  provide different ideas of its own in various
areas that it would pursue in the next four years, and what
it expects to achieve
   C)  provide how it would achieve its aims in the
presence of dwindling oil fortunes
   D) provide SPECIFIC new ideas of how it would
tackle the ECONOMY, SECURITY and UNEMPLOYMENT


The GMB Campaign should ignore rants from the
Okupe-FaniKayode axis, and eliminate any actions or
inactions that would distract it.


Both campaigns should PLEDGE free, fair and credible
elections - and should ensure it.  Otherwise, I am fearful.



And there you have it.




Bolaji Aluko




On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at
12:08 AM, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:



Em Prof,
It is Abba Gumel's fault o. He promised me that
Buhari will outline his program at his campaign flag off
today. And there I was hoping to debate him. Na
disappointment turn me to 'trouble maker' o!



Joe

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Iphone





On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:58 PM, Mobolaji
Aluko < alukome@gmail.com> wrote:








Pastor Joe:



Come on, now, Joe....how can I be "hiding"
what I have burnt?


Ehn, trouble-maker?


Quite frankly, I am navigating a rickety bridge over
troubled Nigerian waters...




Bolaji Aluko
Shaking his head




On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at
11:46 PM, 'Joe Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:



Happy new year Prof. 


I think you are doing a good job hiding your slips
given the circumstances!  Hehehe!


Joe

Sent from my
Iphone





On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:29 PM, Mobolaji
Aluko < alukome@gmail.com> wrote:









Joe Attueyi:


Season's greetings to you!


Honestly,  even these days, being "on the
ground",  I am seeing them more:  too many slips
(including yours) are showing on ALL sides, none pretty,
most filthy.


The latest Bakare-an kite is the newest
head-shaker....long contemplated, thought discarded, now
resurrected, to return to the dead?


We shall see...


We are kind of stuck, as we lumber down our rickety
bridge to the future.


And there you have it.




Bolaji Aluko


PS:  By the way, I have burnt all my own slips! :-)





On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at
11:07 PM, 'topcrest topcrest' via AfricanWorldForum
<africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:




Dr Kassim,
Your normal high level of analytical
contributions has been seriously dumped down since this
election cycle. Our mothers' admonition about the
company we keep seems to be playing out.



You wrote:



Please remember that GEJ,  just like most incumbent national
leaders worldwide would need to lose the elections before
the incumbent can win it. The onus is on GEJ to show
Nigerians that he has what it takes to move the nation
forward.
GMB, as
the challenger also has a difficult, even though much
easier 
task to
accomplish in order to succeed in his goal of defeating GEJ
at the polls

How do you reconcile these 2 contradictory
paragraphs. If an election is an incumbent's to lose
then the challenger has a higher uphill task to perform--not
much easier. You use to do better than this--and I know you
have copies of your certificate 


Then you compound the problem with this
howler:


GMB would need to highlight to the  electorate the specifics --not
just general ideas- about his intentions and what
he plans to do differently, if
elected,  in each sector of the economy
that would hopefully yield better results than those
achieved by GEJ, the incumbent President.






Circa 5 weeks to
the election Buhari has still not told you ANYTHING
--whether general or specific--about his intentions and
plans. Today he flagged off his campaign and spoke for about
5 minutes , 3 of which dwelled on how he chose the DG of his
campaign organisation---But Dr Ola Kassim has already chosen
Buhari as a better choice than the incumbent! Pray on what
basis did you make this choice Dr Kassim?


In those days Prof Aluko would have said
"your slips are showing and they are not pretty"



Joe


On Tuesday,
January 6, 2015 9:39 PM, olakassimmd via AfricanWorldForum
<africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:







Pastor Joe:


Thanks for sharing. 


I already have the info on this link and others on
Nigeria's recent sterling performance in the
agricultural sector- which are primarily due to the efforts
of the Minister of Agriculture and his entire team-in one of
my folders.


But why does it have to take an indirect prompt from
someone like me who is definitely NOT on your side  before
you start touting
one of the few bright spots in GEJ's 6 year old government?


Why are you guys wasting your time on distractions like
GMB's missing certificates, his age, his religious
affiliation etc. etc when you could be spending your  time more
productively highlighting what he has achieved so far
and what he plans to do better if he
gets a second term.


If I were GEJ , I would fire
each and everyone of you claiming to be his supporters on
Nigerian cyberspace 
and  hire new ones. I would also ensure that you do
not get a
Kobo of that 21 billion Naira 'stomach
infrastructure' funds- that have just been raised by the
PDP.:)
The rumor out there
is that most of the 21 billion Naira is sourced from our
missing oil subsidy funds
that are secretly
lodged at the Zenith Bank,



Just like Asari Dokubo and Doyin
Okupe, you guys are busy scoring own goals while we
the APC - Buhari supporters are taking you all to the
cleaners.


As Qansy, my other twin brother
(separated at birth) --reminded the audience
yesterday--being a supporter of Buhari in the upcoming
elections
is not equivalent to being a
supporter of the APC and secondly not all Buhari supporters
are hero worshippers. We are supporting Buhari
because he is the less 'worrisome' of
the two lacklustre candidates Nigerians have to chose from
in the upcoming Presidential elections.


Let's us contest these elections strictly on ideas
and political ideologies and about how realistic or
unrealistic the programs and proposed
policies outlined in the manifestos of the competing
parties are.


Please remember that GEJ , 
just like most incumbent national leaders worldwide would
need to lose the elections before the incumbent can win it.
The onus is on GEJ to show Nigerians that he has what it
takes to move the nation forward.
GMB, as the challenger also has a difficult,
even though much easier 
task to accomplish in order to succeed
in his goal of defeating GEJ at the polls.
GMB would need to highlight to the 
electorate the specifics --not just general ideas - about his intentions and what he plans to
do differently , if elected,  in
each sector of the economy that would hopefully yield better
results than those achieved by GEJ, the incumbent President.



Bye,


Ola



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On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:59 AM, 'Joe
Attueyi' via AfricanWorldForum < africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>
wrote:




Check this out:
Agriculture in
Nigeria: What the GDP Statistics Mean

https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/agriculture-nigeria-what-gdp-statistics-mean-nzube-ufodike


Sent from LinkedIn for iPhone




..... At the recent launch of the
Youth Employment in Agriculture Programme (YEAP), the
current Minister provided very impressive statistics which
serve to drive home some of the progress made. For instance,
bank lending to agriculture has grown from 3.5 billion NGN
in 2012 to 25 billion NGN in 2013 and reports from the
Central Bank of Nigeria have shown that the default rate was
zero percent – an astounding record, by any measure. This
has been facilitated by concerted efforts of the Ministry,
in collaboration with the Central Bank of Nigeria, to launch
the Nigerian Incentive-based Risk Sharing for Agricultural
Lending (NIRSAL) programme, to reduce the risk of lending by
banks to the agricultural sector. Over a dozen commercial
banks are currently lending to agriculture on various
commodities and the trend is set to grow. Nigeria currently
ranks sixth worldwide and first in Africa in farm
output.
In addition, a 100
million USD Fund for Agricultural Financing in Nigeria
(FAFIN) was launched for long-term, tailored financing. The
fund is capitalised by Federal Ministry of Agriculture and
Rural Development, the German Development Bank (KFW), and
the Sovereign W

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