Yes, you did, and no I hadn't. My assertions were not only about the paired down sense of propositional logic, as such. Also, forgive me for the excess of the adjectival/ adverbial exasperated form (e. g. "perverse"), which can lend itself to exaggeration as a form of emphasis, sometimes used to get attention, but which I know can rankle, as it can imply the unreasonable or the obtuse in not acknowledging what to others might appear obvious. The one liner might be good for Twitter, or for the irascible moment (I have a bout of sciatica-- the heroic legacy of my youthful and even to midlife soccer playing days), but not always for reasonable discussion. Nether of us wants that ascription. Rather, it is the "logic" of our methods of inquiry, or the method by which we might pose questions that we seek answers to, and the evidence that we provide or expect of others when they seek answers.
Regardless of our methodological dispositions, you as a historian, me as a social scientist (and about and over which there are some arbitrary differences), we would both ask, as anyone would, what would be the basis, or what would be sufficient, to answer a question for which there is no evidence to ask, or that the "evidence" is bogus? That is the conundrum which shouldn't exist in this case.
Best,
Pablo
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Brother Pablo,
I do not wish to belabor this issue, but I have already in my first contribution to this thread answered to most of your questions. I am glad I raised the issue and glad for the answers I got. To simply dismiss failing to address the allegation is bad logic -- and bad politics. That's I do not understand APC's non-response.
Ugo--
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Pablo <pidahosa@yorku.ca> wrote:
Ugo, Bro mi,
The rumour is strong it must be true, eh? What kind of evidence is there for this, who put it forward, or who put them onto eating, sorry, putting it forward? I cannot speak for Buhari and his wife, and do not know their motivations or the lack thereof for them saying something, keeping quiet, or suing the perpetrators/discovers. There is a saying that we are all familiar with: I will not dignify it with a response. However, there is also a tortuous, even perverse, logic here: refute every ridiculous claim that is put before you, or otherwise I will suspend judgement, at best, or worse, believe what others, without evidence, have presented and are saying about you.
On a cursory "audit" of the internet, I came across something apparently posted in 2011, saying that she was in her fourties then. If true, which we don't have to believe given all the accumulated evidence form unsubstantiated sources, that would make her likely between 43 and 45.
Whatever you might think of Buhari marrying a much younger women, something hardly new in Nigerian polities, ancient or modern, and you may not like the cut of her intellect, or her capacity to understand or parse policy, etc; what I would ask, in the world of realpolitik, is where do these "evidences" come from, are they a part of the public record, and so on; who first saw them and passed them on; and why are they being issued NOW?
As to suing again, that would include several people on and beyond this list, not just for saying this, but also recycling it, as well likely half of the PDP spokespersons, who, however are also probably to be cowardly to come out and say so; but then I have no evidence for this, and I should be careful that I ,too, I might be sued.
Best,
Pablo
On 2015-03-24 8:36 PM, Ugo Nwokeji wrote:
Is--it true, though,that Aisha Buhari was born in 1979 and Buhari married her in 1989, when Aisha was still 9, and that Buhari impregnated her when she was 13, as alleged? It is the pertinent facts and figures that can prove the allegation as false. If this is malicious falsehood, it is character assassination,and Buhari and Aisha would be entitled to sueEdo Women for Change ( EWC)for defamation, and thehAPC should come out and deny it with facts and figures.If, on the hand, the allegation is true, it goes to confirm -- if any confirmation is needed -- how bankrupt our politics is. Why did theother women's rights groups and, indeed, all Nigerian "Progressives"EWC keep quiet about this until Aisha Buhari "angered" them? Why haven't (men and women, irrespective of party affiliation), who may have known about theallegedchild marriage/rape kept quiet? Do they actually believe in anything other than barefaced realpolitic? What does it say about the PDP as a party? The impression I get is that the information is useful to them only as a political weapon, to be used if expedient. This is all troubling.
But I am shaking my head about APC's apparent non-response. When this issue first came to my attention through this thread about 30 minutes ago, I searched the internet looking for a Buhari/APC rebuttal that I felt sure was there, I saw none. And it has been at least 24 hours since the allegation was made!Quite frankly,tosimply keep quiet or to dismissthe allegationmakesit sound like Buhari and his supporterscannot come up with the facts to puncture the allegation. This is even more troubling. The response should have been swift and fact-based.
I am NOT saying that this is true, and am hoping it is not. But I do not have any information that makes it reasonable for me to assume the allegation is false.
My question now to Pablo and Ola Kassim, both of whom have urged us to ignore the allegation on the basis that it is a fabrication, is: Why should we?
Ugo
On Mar 24, 2015 3:59 PM, "olakassimmd via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--Dear All:
Nigerians, at least too many Nigerians
unfortunately including a sizable number of our women
seem to have no regard for the truth!
They tell and repeat bold face lies with gusto as long as
the lies satisfy whatever are the ultimate goalsmaing them
up.
Bye,
Ola
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From: Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk2005@gmail.com>
To: USAAfricaDialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2015 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
This Mrs. Sarah Obozuwa should go to Italy and see the plight of Edo girls there. Pity of the matter is that she knows the truth but prefers to deflect the truth.Cheers.IBKOn 24 Mar 2015 20:48, "Okechukwu Ukaga" < ukaga001@umn.edu> wrote:--
......and here is part of one of several responses to Mrs Buhari'' comment circulating in the web....--
" In a swift response to Mrs. Buhari on Monday in Benin, Sarah Obozuwa, Founder of the Edo Women for Change (EWC) called on Edo women to forgive Mrs. Buhari. "Aisha Buhari was born on September 29, 1979. As of today, Mrs. Buhari is only 35 years of age. She was married to Buhari in August 13, 1989, at the age of 9. This means that Buhari at age 47, in 1989 was having sex with Aisha Buhari at the tender age of 9, an underage according to the constitution of Nigeria. So Mrs. Buhari is a victim of sustained childhood rape and her outbursts are understandable", she said. Speaking further, Mrs. Obozuwa said: "How Buhari got Aisha Buhari pregnant at age 13 is a chilling story of a Buhari who defiled Aisha as a little child while she was visiting Zulai, Buhari's eldest daughter who was her playmate. It is ironic how such a traumatized woman now stands at the vanguard of stigmatizing fellow women."
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:42 PM, 'Funmi Tofowomo Okelola' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/03/transcript-plus-video-of-aisha-buharis.html?m=1
Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
Pls start watching from 2:16
what she said exactly:
In each Zone of the Country, we have peculiar problems, Our Problems differs, for me in this zone, Girl child trafficking should be considered one of our problems Though i know there is unemployment, Unemployment is a Major factor that contributes to brain drain and girl child trafficking, Gen Buhari is a leader, he was a Leader, he led nigeria some decades ago and he is coming back now to sanitize the system.
For those campaigning, saying that he is coming to jail Nigerians, I dont know what their fear is, but they shouldnt because we are all yearning for change, the insecurity of the country, the very very very bad healthcare system, lack of education and other basic necessitates that people are lacking, i think they need somebody like him now.
Already some years back, he has been contesting, they have painted him black using religion, I am happy today, Nigerians discover that, they use religion as the cover to loot Nigeria to Nonesense.
Whoever talks to you in this country, the politician that can talk to you about religion is a Liar, He is a Liar, he wants to loot. He wants to loot the little resources you are supposed to enjoy. Say no to Politics, comparing it, matching it with Religion to decieve people.
I am here today to let the Edo women know that when My husband is Elected to be president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, all these are going to be history
the insecurity, the girl child trafficking, suffering of the widows in the southeast will come to and end, there must be a design, a cultural design that can accommodate the widow, and then a design that will make a girl child feel comfortable wherever she is in this country, she doesnt need to leave her country to go and prostitute elsewhere, it is not her portion, her portion is to have a highly standard moral society for her to live, get married, have children, train them, train them and to support them to become the future of our Leaders.
We are here today, to also educate you, and to let you know the collection of PVCs is important, you collect your PVCs and dont sell it, dont ever sell it, dont ever sell it, its like selling your future, when you sell it for N5,000, you wont see N5,000 again until after 4 years which is too bad for you.
Get your PVC, Vote for APC, vote for Freedom, Vote for New Nigeria, vote security, vote education, vote healthcare, good roads and all the basic necessitates should be given to you.
I thank you all for being here this afternoon, being under the Sun for hours waiting to see me, thank you so much, i love you all.
Last week, we lost a sister, a mother, a former Woman Leader Mrs Modinat Omokwan May we have a one Minute silence for her.... May her Soul rest in Perfect Peace.
APC..... APC...... Edo... Nigeria..... God Bless you all.
Funmi Tofowomo Okelola-In the absence of greatness, mediocrity thrives.
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