You may want to read my posts again.
oa
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:33 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
OA et al:
Why do you guys like to peddle as truth or near truth
what you already know is totally FALSE?
Mrs Buhari;s Bio is out there for Christ's sake.
Unless of course you are desperate enough to
publish a fake birth certificate.
If that happens it won't be the first time a false document was
published by both sides of this ugly and nasty
campaign season.
Bye,
Ola
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From: Anunoby, Ogugua <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu>
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 26, 2015 1:00 pm
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
To state that Buhari is married to a child bride if indeed he is, is to state the fact- tell the truth. That is not to politicize child marriage. I must remind us that all cultures practice child marriage at one time or the other in their history. What is also true is that some cultures in time, learn the wrongs, some say evils of the practice, come to terms with them, and give the practice up. Is it not late enough in the day for all cultures to give the practice up? Do cultural advancement and enlightenment not mean anything?
If indeed Buhari is married to a child bride and I do not know that he is, on what grounds would he stand to help to eradicate the practice (if he is so inclined) should he be elected president? I am just asking.
oa
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bode
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:30 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
When Boko Haram seized the girls with the aim of auctioning them off in marriage many believed that practice to derive from a culture and religion that already encourages child marriage. I believe that child marriage is worse than child labor because that child who is married at such a tender age would never know any other life, and may never recover from the abuse. Child marriage and child labor are forms of slavery. To politicize slavery to me is in itself appalling. But my point is that on the one hand child marriage as a form of slavery deserves serious conversation, and on the other hand sensitivity to the culture and religion within which the practice has taken hold. Making it part of political propaganda makes the work of eradicating it all the more difficult and justice for the female child impossible. I am not sure that child marriage is such a new issue and what anyone would get from it on a political scoresheet is so inconsequential as to make the politics an act of desperation. Child marriage should not be seen as southern propaganda against the north. It will not work and it will harden those who practice it. So, do we care for the issue or immediate political gains that may not be enough considering such a huge deficit of corruption and incompetence of the regime.
On 3/25/15, 12:18 PM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu> wrote:
The senators and governors referred to hold their offices in states and municipalities' in which child marriage may not be a big deal. Buhari is running for a national office unlike the senators and governors above. He must deal with all electors who abhor child marriage. I see a glaring difference that you do not seem to see.
Is your point also that culture and religion make what is evidently wrong, right and acceptable by all? If Buhari married a child bride and I do not know that he is, some Nigerians electors who disapprove of child marriage may have problems with his candidacy. Buhari's political opponents will be expected to make an issue of his marriage in a hard fought political campaign, if there is political dividend to be reaped. Politics in Nigeria today, is a very competitive sport. The spoils of success in the sport are bountiful. Issues are regularly "politicized". A fact does not cease to be a fact however, because it is "politicized" or claimed to be.
oa
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bode
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:28 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
Child marriage is a big problem, but it is a cultural and religious issue in some parts of the country. Conduct a survey of how many senators and governors have child spouses either from the PDP or APC and you will be surprised. Anyone who is genuinely concerned about the issue should question how it is being politicized a few days to the election. The danger of the political use of this problem at the moment is that it does not seek to resolve the issue but for political advantage which can only further deepen resentment within the country. So, are we concerned about child marriage in itself, or are we simply interested in defeating Buhari?
On 3/25/15, 10:39 AM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu> wrote:
Information is a valuable resource. It is even more so in politics. Whether or not Buhari and/or his wife go to court on the matter of the latter's birthday and age at marriage is their choice to make. Time is however not on their side at this time. An immediate and wiser course of action in my opinion, is for the couple or their political organization to make public immediately, credible and verifiable evidence of the wife's birthday and age at marriage to Buhari. The release of this information will suck all oxygen out of the damaging claim. It will also damage the credibility and reputation of the couple's defamers if indeed they are. Delayed response or silence is not always a viable tactic in politics.
Many Nigerians continue to have concerns about Buhari's political organization. What is the difficulty in promptly and creditably, challenging all damaging false or not false claims in a tough political campaign? Buhari is seeking the office of president of Nigeria. He is asking Nigerians for their vote. His wife's age is rightly a matter of public interest. It should be public information already. Why it is not is the question.
If indeed Buhari's wife was a minor at the time of their marriage, Buhari and his political organization should have anticipated that the subject might arise in a hard fought, long campaign. They should have been prepared in one of two ways at least. Have ready answer(s) before thrusting the wife into the campaign. The other would have been to keep her out of the campaign, and claim protection of her privacy to avoid a discussion of the subject. They did not anticipate Buhari's educational qualification issue. He is probably damaged by it.
It is silence on a matter such as this one at a time like this one that causes people to believe even patent falsehood. Is Buhari really ready for prime time? How he runs his campaign or has his campaign run for him, does not suggest that he is, sometimes.
oa
From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:50 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
Bolaji:
Wonderfully said with your usual economy and clarity. As you say, everything I say, or don't say, is taken in evidence against me by people who have no evidence, but that's sufficient if I don't say, especially if Prof. Dr. Oga, Chief, lawyer Engineer, Colonel, General (retired), Madam is saying it
Let me say this: I do not like GEJ, but I do not recycle everything that I hear about him, much of which I know not to be true. Without wanting to over dignify this list, which is often a conduit for slander, why should we be wasting our time trying to find evidence for things that, on the face of it, we know, or should know, not to be true?
Yes, we have it, as you might say. Your posting should be on everyone's desk, computer or smart thingy to remind them of the danger of reinforcing a toxic, sycophantic environment and climate of lies, but also because of the plain commonsensical idea of yours to promote the idea of independence of information and news that you put forward. If this last one just eats the dog, I suspect there's too much money invested in dog eating
But we dey try.
Thanks,
Pablo
On 2015-03-25 5:27 AM, Mobolaji Aluko wrote:
Pablo:
There are certain tendencies in Nigerian political and commentariat circles - and maybe the world over - but particularly in Nigeria where we quickly believe things:
(1) If a damaging statement is made about a person that we support, however outrageous, it must be true, unless that person DENIES it, and, more importantly SUES. If he does not sue, it is then not damaging enough, so the maker of the damaging statement can be forgiven. If we know that the statement is a lie, we keep quiet, since we do not support the "victim", or so that we don't seem to be in support. Sometimes, we refuse to check the statement and propagate the damage, with an alibi later on that you did not know ke? Why did you not check ke?
(2) If a laudatory statement is made about a person that we support (this often has to do with UNEARNED academic laurels, like Dr. This or Professor That or Harvard Graduate Lagbaja), no matter how dishonest, it must be true, or even if we know it is NOT true, we keep quiet about it so that it does not look as if we DO not support the person. We even help to propagate the dishonest lauding. If you point it out, you will be accused of "jealousy" or "envy."
(3) If a damaging or laudatory statement is made about a person about who we are neutral, we just KEEP QUIET - or are expected to keep quiet - and say, "Sebi he or she can defend himself", sometimes not knowing that the person may not even be aware that such a statement has been made.
So we are all trapped in a Catch-22 situation, and there is no INDEPENDENT TRUTH SQUAD in our political environment.
I know that in the US, there are some people who MEASURE what EVERY politician says, as to whether it is (1) FULLY TRUE (2) FULLY DISHONEST or (3) PARTIALLY (DI)SHONEST.
We need such independent measures badly in Nigeria, because we are getting away with slanderous murder by "little political boys" in particular in Nigeria - and it ain't pretty.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Pablo <pidahosa@yorku.ca> wrote:
Ugo, Bro mi,
The rumour is strong it must be true, eh? What kind of evidence is there for this, who put it forward, or who put them onto eating, sorry, putting it forward? I cannot speak for Buhari and his wife, and do not know their motivations or the lack thereof for them saying something, keeping quiet, or suing the perpetrators/discovers. There is a saying that we are all familiar with: I will not dignify it with a response. However, there is also a tortuous, even perverse, logic here: refute every ridiculous claim that is put before you, or otherwise I will suspend judgement, at best, or worse, believe what others, without evidence, have presented and are saying about you.
On a cursory "audit" of the internet, I came across something apparently posted in 2011, saying that she was in her fourties then. If true, which we don't have to believe given all the accumulated evidence form unsubstantiated sources, that would make her likely between 43 and 45.
Whatever you might think of Buhari marrying a much younger women, something hardly new in Nigerian polities, ancient or modern, and you may not like the cut of her intellect, or her capacity to understand or parse policy, etc; what I would ask, in the world of realpolitik, is where do these "evidences" come from, are they a part of the public record, and so on; who first saw them and passed them on; and why are they being issued NOW?
As to suing again, that would include several people on and beyond this list, not just for saying this, but also recycling it, as well likely half of the PDP spokespersons, who, however are also probably to be cowardly to come out and say so; but then I have no evidence for this, and I should be careful that I ,too, I might be sued.
Best,
Pablo
On 2015-03-24 8:36 PM, Ugo Nwokeji wrote:
Is
it
true
, though,
that Aisha Buhari was born in 1979 and Buhari married her in 1989, when Aisha was still 9, and that Buhari impregnated her when she was 13, as alleged? It is the pertinent facts and figures that can prove the allegation as false. If this is malicious falsehood, it is character assassination
,
and Buhari and Aisha would be entitled to sue
Edo Women for Change (
EWC)
for defamation
, and the
hAPC should come out and deny it with facts and figures.
If, on the hand, the allegation is true, it goes to confirm -- if any confirmation is needed -- how bankrupt our politics is. Why did the
EWC keep quiet about this until Aisha Buhari "angered" them? Why haven't
other women's rights groups and, indeed, all Nigerian "Progressives"
(men a
nd women, irrespective of party affiliation)
, who
may have known about the
alleged
child marriage/rape kept quiet? Do they actually believe in anything other than barefaced realpolitic? What does it say about the PDP as a party? The impression I get is that the information is useful to them only as a political weapon, to be used if expedient. This is all troubling.
But I am shaking my head about APC's apparent non-response. When this issue first came to my attention through this thread about 30 minutes ago, I searched the internet looking for a Buhari/APC rebuttal that I felt sure was there, I saw none. And it has been at least 24 hours since the allegation was made!
Quite frankly,
to
simply keep quiet or to dismiss
the allegation
make
s
it sound like Buhari and his supporters
cannot come up with the facts to puncture the allegation. This is even more troubling. The response should have been swift and fact-based.
I am NOT saying that this is true, and am hoping it is not. But I do not have any information that makes it reasonable for me to assume the allegation is false.
My question now to Pablo and Ola Kassim, both of whom have urged us to ignore the allegation on the basis that it is a fabrication, is: Why should we?
Ugo
On Mar 24, 2015 3:59 PM, "olakassimmd via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear All:
Nigerians, at least too many Nigerians
unfortunately including a sizable number of our women
seem to have no regard for the truth!
They tell and repeat bold face lies with gusto as long as
the lies satisfy whatever are the ultimate goalsmaing them
up.
Bye,
Ola
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From: Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk2005@gmail.com>
To: USAAfricaDialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2015 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.This Mrs. Sarah Obozuwa should go to Italy and see the plight of Edo girls there. Pity of the matter is that she knows the truth but prefers to deflect the truth.
Cheers.
IBK
On 24 Mar 2015 20:48, "Okechukwu Ukaga" < ukaga001@umn.edu> wrote:
......and here is part of one of several responses to Mrs Buhari'' comment circulating in the web....
" In a swift response to Mrs. Buhari on Monday in Benin, Sarah Obozuwa, Founder of the Edo Women for Change (EWC) called on Edo women to forgive Mrs. Buhari. "Aisha Buhari was born on September 29, 1979. As of today, Mrs. Buhari is only 35 years of age. She was married to Buhari in August 13, 1989, at the age of 9. This means that Buhari at age 47, in 1989 was having sex with Aisha Buhari at the tender age of 9, an underage according to the constitution of Nigeria. So Mrs. Buhari is a victim of sustained childhood rape and her outbursts are understandable", she said. Speaking further, Mrs. Obozuwa said: "How Buhari got Aisha Buhari pregnant at age 13 is a chilling story of a Buhari who defiled Aisha as a little child while she was visiting Zulai, Buhari's eldest daughter who was her playmate. It is ironic how such a traumatized woman now stands at the vanguard of stigmatizing fellow women."
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:42 PM, 'Funmi Tofowomo Okelola' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.nigerianeye.com/2015/03/transcript-plus-video-of-aisha-buharis.html?m=1
Transcript Plus Video of Aisha Buhari's Speech in Edo.
Pls start watching from 2:16
what she said exactly:
In each Zone of the Country, we have peculiar problems, Our Problems differs, for me in this zone, Girl child trafficking should be considered one of our problems Though i know there is unemployment, Unemployment is a Major factor that contributes to brain drain and girl child trafficking, Gen Buhari is a leader, he was a Leader, he led nigeria some decades ago and he is coming back now to sanitize the system.
For those campaigning, saying that he is coming to jail Nigerians, I dont know what their fear is, but they shouldnt because we are all yearning for change, the insecurity of the country, the very very very bad healthcare system, lack of education and other basic necessitates that people are lacking, i think they need somebody like him now.
Already some years back, he has been contesting, they have painted him black using religion, I am happy today, Nigerians discover that, they use religion as the cover to loot Nigeria to Nonesense.
Whoever talks to you in this country, the politician that can talk to you about religion is a Liar, He is a Liar, he wants to loot. He wants to loot the little resources you are supposed to enjoy. Say no to Politics, comparing it, matching it with Religion to decieve people.
I am here today to let the Edo women know that when My husband is Elected to be president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, all these are going to be history
the insecurity, the girl child trafficking, suffering of the widows in the southeast will come to and end, there must be a design, a cultural design that can accommodate the widow, and then a design that will make a girl child feel comfortable wherever she is in this country, she doesnt need to leave her country to go and prostitute elsewhere, it is not her portion, her portion is to have a highly standard moral society for her to live, get married, have children, train them, train them and to support them to become the future of our Leaders.
We are here today, to also educate you, and to let you know the collection of PVCs is important, you collect your PVCs and dont sell it, dont ever sell it, dont ever sell it, its like selling your future, when you sell it for N5,000, you wont see N5,000 again until after 4 years which is too bad for you.
Get your PVC, Vote for APC, vote for Freedom, Vote for New Nigeria, vote security, vote education, vote healthcare, good roads and all the basic necessitates should be given to you.
I thank you all for being here this afternoon, being under the Sun for hours waiting to see me, thank you so much, i love you all.
Last week, we lost a sister, a mother, a former Woman Leader Mrs Modinat Omokwan May we have a one Minute silence for her.... May her Soul rest in Perfect Peace.
APC..... APC...... Edo... Nigeria..... God Bless you all.
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