FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Between the APC and the PDC: Living with the illusion of change

No GE.
All I am saying is that Colonization did some good. You know this for a fact. Your litany of complaints are still with us. Here are a few examples. What taxes are more exploitative than punitive tariffs for un-provided essential public products and services the high and might receive for free? The segregated schools you referred to were at least in one town and country then. Today they are not. The European wars you referred to were proxy wars. The Boko Haram war on Nigeria is a proxy war. Most Nigerians I know believe that it is. Both wars involved/involve forced recruitment. Segregated residential zones are still with us. They are still not a thing of the past. Then, it was segregated railway carriages on lean budgets. Now it is no railway carriages after expended bloated budgets?
My presumption is that your man won the election. Congratulations to you and him. The hard work starts soon. I hope he learns from Jonathan's political maturity playbook, to respect the people's verdict however imperfect he believes it to be, should he run and lose the next presidential election. No more threats to the public peace.
It is now action time. The thrill of the pudding up this past weekend, was in the baking. It is now in the impartial sharing and eating. The least that is expected of him is that he keeps the public peace, and also his promises and on time too. We salute him.

oa


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From: Anunoby, Ogugua
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:42 PM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com (USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com)
Subject: FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Between the APC and the PDC: Living with the illusion of change

No GE.
All I am saying is that Colonization did some good. You know this for a fact. Your litany of complaints are still with us. I will explain. What tax is more exploitative than punitive tariffs for un-provided essential services? The segregates schools you referred to were at least in one town and country. Today they are not. The Boko Haram war on Nigeria is a proxy war is it not? Most Nigerians I know believe that it is. The European wars you referred to were proxy wars. Segregated residential zones are still with us are they not? Which is preferable; segregated railway carriages or nor railway carriages at all after expended budgets?
My presumption is that your man won the election. Congratulate to you and him. The hard work starts soon. I hope he learns from Jonathan's political maturity playbook to respect the people's verdict however imperfect he believes it to be, should he run and lose the next presidential election.
It is now action time. The least he should do is keep his promises on time.

oa

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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:22 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Between the APC and the PDC: Living with the illusion of change

OA and IK seem to be yearning for exploitative taxes, corvee, forced recruitment to fight European civil wars, segregated railway carriages, segregated residential zones, and even segregated schools and churches in some cases.

Their man did not win the elections so they want to go back to colonialism. Ha Ha.

GE

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Segun Ogungbemi [seguno2013@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:00 AM
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Between the APC and the PDC: Living with the illusion of change

oa,
That our leaders have not performed to expectation of the governed since after independence does not make anyone to prefer colonialism.
The pride of being a free individual with dignity is more important than colonialism with its so called development.
Those of us who were born many years before independence still know the horror of colonialism. My father told me the dehumanized labor experienced under the British rule.
May we never go through it anymore.

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

> On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:42 PM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu> wrote:
>
> Come on SO.
> Colonialism did some good. I believe that everyone who has paid attention knows this to be true. The subject should be stare-decisis in a manner of speaking.
> Given the abundant development opportunities, resources, and technology that have been available to Nigeria and Nigerians since independence from Great Britain in 1960, it is very arguable that the country has not made commensurate progress. This failure is even more evident and embarrassing when Nigeria is compared with some peer and sub-peer colonized countries in 1960. There is little question that Nigeria has not lived up to her billing at independence. If the truth be spoken, she has failed to meet most expectations of her, at independence. The disappointment many older Nigerians feel about their country, is not nostalgic in my opinion.
> "Absolutely wrong" seems to me therefore, to be hyperbolic.
>
> oa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Segun
> Ogungbemi
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 12:54 PM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Cc: USAAfrica Dialogue
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Between the APC and the PDC:
> Living with the illusion of change
>
> "Nigeria was quite honestly better off under white rule; that is exactly what our black rulers have proven to their eternal shame."
> Ikhide, you are absolutely wrong. The British looted our resources to develop their country. Tell me how many miles of roads, hospitals, dispensaries, schools etc did they build before independence? How many jobs did they create for our people?
> They forced our people to pay taxes and those who could not pay were put in local confinement. They introduced divide and rule to cause disunity and harmony among the people. That legacy of divide and rule is still our yoke of burden. Colonialism is perpetually evil. It violates the rights of individuals and takes away human dignity and pride. It takes away the identity of the people colonized.
> With Nigerians being in charge of their destiny we are better off today than what we had been before independence. We have freedom and we govern ourselves using the so called democracy which was not alien to our forebears.
> It is true that we have bad leaders but the British have had their worse leaders in the past and with time they improved their instruments of governance.
> Ours is not a history of accident in isolation. Gradually we will get there. The first step is to get the leadership right and the rest will follow.
> We must change the negative orientation of Ikhide and his group of intellectual bigots who see nothing good in their country.
>
> Prof. Segun Ogungbemi
>
>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:39 AM, "'Ikhide' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nigeria was quite honestly better off under white rule; that is
>> exactly what our black rulers have proven to their eternal shame
>
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