We all love our AWO : I do, Ogbeni Kadiri certainly does and I hope that you do too!
We - his fans, are familiar with some of the minute biographical details of his purposeful life, just as we remember the birthday (like Christmas) and the last day of e.g. Malcolm X, Madiba Nelson Mandela, Patrice Lumumba, to name just three, I add one more: Tomas Tranströmer
Ironically, all this endless tittle-tattle, all because of a tiny – forgivable - typographical error, if six was nine - if 5 was 7 , the kind that we all make on the keyboard or on the fretboard , still not "off-key" and if you think so, improvisation converts it to even something more harmonic - as if a willful dissonance or some Shostakovich in your ear, can ever be out of the musical sphere…the very first piece of music that came to my lips when I first read that our own Professor Falola was going to be honoured by Lincoln was the complete solo of John Coltrane's Giant Steps - yes I scat sang it in da mind ….
That was not the ikoro drum, that was my mentor's impeccable quod erat demonstrandum – I am proud of him and this most dignified, succinct exposition, I hope that you are satisfied – I've still got a lot to unlearn: the worst curse I know: "May you never be satisfied"
And now Excalibur is sheathed " for lack of argument" , the matter is eternally laid to rest, the big and little guns have fallen silent; no one is looking for any further trouble.
Somebody, somebodies please say "AMEN!"
On Saturday, 25 April 2015 12:38:50 UTC+2, ogunlakaiye wrote:
A bird that leaps from the ground to perch on an ant-hill is still basically on the ground. All my previous submissions that you have referenced below do not confirm your notice that whenever I could point to a mistake in any part of a submission that I wanted to argue against, I have never failed to suggest that the entire submission is wrong... Your misjudgement arose out of inability to differentiate between making a mistake and not being truthful or telling lies. Whenever an article contains distorted facts or outright lies, it is the duty of members in this forum to come out with real facts to expose such lies. Because you equate mistake to lie, you personally concluded that my exposure of lies in any article, with truths, rendered the entire article useless. Of course, the nature and function of truth is to strip lie naked. The ironical part of this case is that you want to make your own personal conclusion/suggestion as if it were mine. In human relation it is accepted to make mistake but not to tell lies, especially a deliberate one, perpetrated with the intention of damaging the reputation of someone. Your pal, Oluwatoyin Adepoju, did not make a mistake but lied when he asserted that Sani Abacha was Head of State in Nigeria between 1983 and 1985. It was a fiction and not a fact when Oluwatoyin Adepoju asserted that General Muhammadu Buhari was a speaker at the 10th year commemoration of Abacha's death on June 5 that never was. General Buhari could not have been speaking at an occasion that never took place. My response to Oluwatoyin Adepoju on the spelling of *college* as *collage* was based on his post about Buhari's educational inadequacy to contest presidential election. Distorting one Sunday Iwalaiye's online post, Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote, "So the highest papers Buhari has so far is attendance Diploma from the War Collage after paying Huge Monies. This is the only thing in the file. There is no academic certificate." Judge yourself!!Again my point remains that just because you, brother Kadiri, disagree with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake - Okechukwu Ukaga.Your original intention was to declare my submission on Danjuma's comment about Ojukwu invalid because I made the mistake of putting the year of death of Awolowo to 1985 instead of 1987 as observed by Segun Ogungbemi. His observation was not a disagreement with my submission. However, neither Segun nor any other person in this forum has come out to challenge the facts presented by me on Danjuma's comment. So the point you are raising is not applicable to me, either in the past or now. A story is either wholly or partly true or false and it is the gravity of falsehood, when exposed, that will decide if the entire story should be discountenanced or accepted.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 19:46:13 -0500
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
From: ukag...@umn.edu
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com ".....And a gentle reminder that no one is beyond mistakes and that a factual or proven error in one part of a submission should not necessary mean that the entire submission should be judged as erroneous. I bring this up because, on this list, I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong because the writer cannot even get his or her facts straight in that erroneous aspect. Are we to judge him by the same standard in this case? " -OU
"On the mistake on the year of death of Awolowo, Okechukwu Ukaga seized the opportunity to build a thatched house thus, "I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong..." Now you are attributing false suggestion to me but falsehood is like a thatched house, no matter how neatly the stalks are arranged, it will inevitably rain through. It is now up to you to tell readers when I made the suggestion(s) you credited to me!!" -Salimonu Kadiri
Here are a few examples-
Responding to Oluwatoyin Adepoju on 12/27/14 Kadiri wrote "In order to buttress his assertion that Buhari made the declaration on Abacha's non looting era, Oluwatoyin Adepoju fraudulently (or is it dishonestly) wrote, "SANI ABACHA BECAME NIGERIA'S HEAD OF STATE THROUGH A COUP RULING FROM 1983 TO 1985." Oluwatoyin Adepoju should get it into his skull once and for all that the government of President Shehu Shagari was overthrown on December 31, 1983, whereby a military government headed by Mohammadu Buhari was installed. Therefore, it is a deliberate lie to write that Sani Abacha was head of State from 1983-1985. However, I hereby endeavour to update the political knowledge of Oluwatoyin Adepoju about when Abacha became Head of State in Nigeria. General Muhammadu Buhari was overthrown on the 27th of August 1985 and was thereafter succeeded by General Ibrahim Babangida who *stepped aside* in 1993, following the controversy after the annulled June 12, 1993, Presidential election. Babangida was succeeded by an unelected civilian,Ernest Shonekan, who was overthrown before the end of year 1993 by Sani Abacha that became Head of State. …..In his macabre act of wilful misrepresentation, Oluwatoyin Adepoju regaled us in paragraph 6 of his diatribe against Buhari thus, "BUHARI MADE THIS DECLARATION ON THE 5TH OF JUNE 2008, AT THE 10TH YEAR COMMEMORATION IN KANO OF THE DEATH OF SANI ABACHA, as reported among other resources by Ibrahim Shuaibu in his article *Abacha Never Stole, say Buhari, Babangida,* in This Day news magazine on the 9th of June 2008 and republished in AllAfrica.com." Buhari could not have made the statement credited to him on the 5th of June 2008 since Abacha died on June 8, 1998 and the tenth anniversary of Abacha's death was June 8, 2008.
Responding to Toyin Adepuju on 01/12/15 Kadiri wrote " Before Oluwatoyin Adepoju can challenge Buhari's educational background, he should, I am sorry to say, learn how not to spell COLLEGE as COLLAGE!!"
Responding to Paul Oranika on 9/19/14 Kadiri wrote "Your excerpts from purported interview of General Benjamin Adekunle by the German Reporter, Randolph Baumann of STERN MAGAZINE does not require a qualification in psychology to discern that the interview was a fake. Randolph Baumann must have sat down somewhere to construct his interview without ever talking or meeting General Adekunle. To begin with, there were no *European Humanitarian Assistance programs authorized through the Federal Government* as at August 18, 1968, because the Nigerian Red Cross was able to handle the humanitarian needs in all the territories captured by the Nigerian forces. Moreover, the starvation problem in the Biafra enclave was not internationally known until the end of September 1968. Even as at the end of September 1968, Ojukwu did not see starving Biafrans. Therefore, while addressing Biafra Consultative Assembly at the end of September 1968 he said, "Those governments motivated by humanitarian considerations have a responsibility now to ensure that Biafrans are enabled to defend themselves by providing them the wherewithal so to do ( Biafra: Ojukwu's Selected Speeches, Vol.1, p. 357)" Obviously, Ojukwu did not need any humanitarian programme for the starving Biafrans but arms. The reply credited to Adekunle by Randolph Baumann on the (non existing) European Humanitarian Assistance programmes in Nigeria was ridiculous and laughable. This is because the seat of the Federal Government headed by General Yakubu Gowon was Lagos. The Lagos State Government headed by Brigadier Mobolaji Johnson had the seat of his government in the outskirt of Lagos. The Governors of Western and Midwest States respectively were General Adebayo and Colonel Samuel Ogbemudia. How then would Adekunle be telling Rudolph Baumann that he was ruling Lagos to Cameroon border? If Mr Baumann had been in Nigeria to conduct the interview, in reality, he would not have expressed himself the way he did because he would have discovered that General Adekunle did not rule Lagos up to Cameroon's border with Nigeria at the time in question."
Again, my point remains that just because you, brother Kadiri, disagree with some points in or aspects of a given story does not automatically mean that the story is false or fake.
Respectfully,
OU
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:Placing the death of Awolowo to 1985 instead of 1987 is a mistake that I have already admitted after Segun Ogungbemi's observation and correction. Relevant to Danjuma's statement about Ojukwu and my response to Ogugua Anunoby, an unprejudiced reader will observe that what is important in my reference to Awolowo is that he was unjustly accused of committing genocide long after his death. That he died is never in dispute. Just last year, Ogugua Anunoby and a fellow repeated the allegation of genocide against Awolowo, while commenting on the death of Brigadier Benjamin Adekunle, who could not defend himself just as Ojukwu could not against Danjuma. Apart from the mistake about the year of death of Awolowo, I challenge you, Okechukwu Ukaga, or any other person to point out any other factual error(s) in my comments on the subject matter.On the mistake on the year of death of Awolowo, Okechukwu Ukaga seized the opportunity to build a thatched house thus, "I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong..." Now you are attributing false suggestion to me but falsehood is like a thatched house, no matter how neatly the stalks are arranged, it will inevitably rain through. It is now up to you to tell readers when I made the suggestion(s) you credited to me!!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:55:15 -0500
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
From: ukag...@umn.edu
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com .....And a gentle reminder that no one is beyond make mistakes and that a factual or proven error in one part of a submission should not necessary mean that the entire submission should be judged as erroneous. I bring this up because, on this list, I have noticed that whenever brother Salimonu Kadiri can point to a mistake in any part of a submission that he wants to argue against, he never fails to suggest that the entire submission is wrong because the writer cannot even get his or her facts straight in that erroneous aspect. Are we to judge him by the same standard in this case?OUOn Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <segun...@gmail.com> wrote:It was the of the pen and not of the mind.
Prof. Segun OgungbemiMistake acknowledged. Regret to have shorten Awo's life by two years.
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Danjuma and that Ojukwu comment.
From: segun...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 04:24:37 +0100
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com Awolowo died in 1985. Pa Awolowo Died: May 9, 1987, Ikenne, Nigeria. Please note the correction.
Prof. Segun OgungbemiAwolowo died in 1985, and as late as last year
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