Re: FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - chinese investments,

i agree ogugua.
it's just that some regimes could use a helping hand to be changed.
ok, not really. i just regard with dismay how regimes--lots of
them--oppress their people or deny them democratic rights. thinking of
egypt, for instance, or zimbabwe or burundi.
on the other hand, i agree that western implants are no better, like
chad's deby, a good friend of the french.
the fundamental question becomes, which set of relations work better for
africans: those of the west, or those of china.
i would be very interested in reading informed commentary on that
question. (since i sincerely do not know the answer)
ken

On 7/31/15 9:56 AM, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:
> Dear Ken,
>
> I stated as follows
> "Unlike the Western model, China tries not to be a factor in the political affairs and
> development of the host country, including regime change for example.
> She does not seek political domination of host countries to garner and
> maintain economic advantage."
>
> This implication here is that Western powers seek political domination of host countries to secure sustained economic benefits. France is a good example as I believe you know. Some Western powers have attempted and/or successfully executed regime change in host countries, to ensure their continued economic exploitation of the countries. China does not to the best of my knowledge.
>
> oa
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> dear oa
> i couldn't first agree and then disagree more.
> of course the chinese are operating around the world for their economic advantage--benefit. why else would they invest? at first, that is what you say. but in the end you say it is not about economic advantage. that makes no sense to me.
> if you want to say, in addition to the economics, they do not care about the politics, then i agree. but they can't get the economic benefit unless they satisfy the political demands of the countries they forge agreements with. that's the whole point.
> if you want to add, european countries intervene in africa, creating subordinate states, then i think we have a more interesting argument, because the interventions over democracy and human rights are more mixed messages, if you will.
> if you want to argue, chinese investments are ultimately better for africa because there is no price to be paid, it is just business, then you have to agree that south sudan, for instance, can remain an endless killing field as far as the chinese are concerned, as long as they get their oil.
>
> ken
>
> On 7/28/15 7:39 AM, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:
>> All sovereign and corporate foreign/international investing is about
>> money at the end of the day. It is never a charity enterprise in
>> essence. The Chinese model is different. Unlike the Western model,
>> China tries not to be a factor in the political affairs and
>> development of the host country, including regime change for example.
>> She does not seek political domination of host countries to garner and
>> maintain economic advantage. Hers is a partnership model however
>> imperfect it is. This is a significant difference
>>
>> oa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kenneth
>> harrow
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:50 AM
>> To: usaafricadialogue
>> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - chinese investments,
>>
>> from nyt, map of chinese investments around the world. interesting to
>> see: i bet it's all about oil, minerals, natural resources, and
>> nothing much else ken
>> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/24/business/international/t
>> he-world-according-to-china-investment-maps.html?hp&action=click&pgtyp
>> e=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
>>
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