Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations

We need to renegotiate the terms of existence of Nigeria.

Anything else that claims to be an effort to direct the nation in terms of fundamental values is is window dressing at best or dishonesty at worst,  Buhari's 'I Will Probe Only the GEJ Govt Though Alleged Thieves are My Collaborators and I too, Am Not Clean', being an example of the latter.

Thanks

toyin

On 30 July 2015 at 13:55, Femi Segun <soloruntoba@gmail.com> wrote:

Should we then just throw up in despiar and let the looting continue?

On 7/30/15, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
> 'The principle of Last in First Out should be applied. Buhari took over
> from Jonathan with handover notes. He should start from the last regime
> because the documents and accounts are still fresh and can easily be
> traced. We must remember that Buhari has only four years to accomplish his
> missions and it is only when there is time over that he can extend his
> enquiries to the regimes beyond Jonathan's.'

> Salimonu Kadiri
>
> Not true.
>
> The  relevant foundational info is known to even people like me who are not
> in govt.
>
> The Hallibuton bribery case in OBJ's govt is well known.
>
> It involved top US officials and remains live in the US.
>
> Buhari is described as showing interest in opening an investigation into
> that while in the US but returning to Nigeria to mouth a different story
> bcs he knows his allies would be felled by such an investigation.
>
> 'it stands to reason – the constraints of time and space - that it would be
> quite a backlog of corruption cases to attend to. How far back can he go in
> attempting to successfully recover the bulk of the looted money and
> assets?'
> Cornelius
>
> Can a dirty person, aided by dirty people, aid anyone in becoming clean?
>
>
> The charges of huge missing monies in Buhari's time at PTF, if I got the
> Buhari govt post correct, are well known.
>
> The questions over Bola Tinubu's 'ownership' of Lagos in terms of
> monopolistic revenue collection practices, among others stemming from his
> grip on SW politics as past Lagos state governor are  ongoing.
>
> The TV station that broadcast a hard hitting documentary on Tinubu in
> connection with these allegation during the elections is yet to be
> successfully sued for libel, if sued at all, to the best of my knowledge.
>
> Yet Tinubu is the SW  political leader central to making  Buhari's victory
> possible by lending Buhari SW political capital and intellectual resources,
> enabling Buhari break out of his heretofore Muslim Northern enclave.
>
> The accusations agst immediate past APC gov of Rivers, Rotimi Ameachi in
> connection with the monorail scheme and workers salaries, among other
> issues, are live.
>
> Yet, Amaechi is a central APC arrowhead, their most important figure in the
> SE and Buhari's campaign organizer.
>
> The impeachment case agst Aregbesola,  Osun APC gov for owing workers for
> ages even though the state govt got  its monthly allocation from the fed
> govt is a recent and perhaps ongoing case.
>
> What is happening to the long running corruption case against Timipre
> Sylva, perhaps the most significant APC figure in the SS, and the leader of
> Buhari's handover committee from the last govt?
>
> But...all these people are Buhari himself and his allies.
>
> So, we return to the Nigerian circus in which thieves claim to be policing
> thieving but are only defining the terms of thieving.
>
> What are  Buhari's sources of funding for his 4 time Presidential bid in
> the light of his claim to a modest living?
>
> Why did Kassim Shettima, the APC gov of Borno state keep the Chibok school
> open agst the orders of the govt, thereby enabling the kidnap story and
> sabotaging the war agst Boko Haram, enabling an incident that was central
> to the destruction of the image of the efforts of the GEJ govt in the Boko
> Haram war and foundational to the govt's defeat in the election that
> brought in Buhari??
>
> Why did Shettima state after the Chobik kidnap story emerged that if he
> says what knows about Boko Haram heads will roll?
>
> Should Abubakar Atiku, a central APC figure,  not be charged with treason
> and investigated for  possible links to Boko Haram  in connection with his
> declaration in 2010-2011 that those who make peaceful change impossible
> make violent change inevitable  bcs a Northern Muslim was not made PDP
> Presidential candidate, a position certain at that time to lead to the
> Presidency?
>
> All these and more  is known to people following Nigerian politics.
>
> Is Nigeria a kangaroo kingdom where politicians manipulate the stage to
> suite themselves and their cronies with the help of the average Nigerian
> who elects to dance their evil dance with them for one misguided reason or
> another?
>
> El Rufai is quoted as declaring that he will take to court the news
> organization that described for him a huge asset portfolio far in excess in
> of what an honest civil servant should have.
>
> He is also described as not taking any such action well after the
> allegation broke.
>
> Yet, El Rufai is a  governor in the current govt based on his vociferous
> attacks on GEJ and championing of Buhari.
>
> Buhari's political allies, in the SW, SE, SS and North, and  even Buhari
> himself, are people who should be under intense investigation and not be
> anywhere in govt.
>
> Even Buhari is alive only bcs his coup that brought him to power decades
> ago succeeded. If not he would have been executed as is the law for coup
> plotters.
>
> Masquerades...crooks....
>
> thanks
>
> toyin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29 July 2015 at 23:01, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The principle of Last in First Out should be applied. Buhari took over
>> from Jonathan with handover notes. He should start from the last regime
>> because the documents and accounts are still fresh and can easily be
>> traced. We must remember that Buhari has only four years to accomplish
>> his
>> missions and it is only when there is time over that he can extend his
>> enquiries to the regimes beyond Jonathan's.
>>

>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:38:19 -0700
>> From: corneliushamelberg@gmail.com
>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>>
>> Re- " assuming that all Nigerians truly believe that corruption must
>> go!To
>> single one regime for corruption charges,out of all the regimes that have
>> governed Nigeria, nearly all of which can be justifiably accused of
>> corrupt
>> governance is a parochial,narrow,petty and devious response to
>> corruption"
>> With *$600bn looted from 1960 to now*
>> <https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Nigeria+:+$600bn+looted+from+1960+to+now> it
>> stands to reason – the constraints of time and space - that it would be
>> quite a backlog of corruption cases to attend to. How far back can he go
>> in
>> attempting to successfully recover the bulk of the looted money and
>> assets?
>>
>> Only asking,
>> CH
>> *We Sweden* <http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>

>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 23 July 2015 23:40:23 UTC+2, ugwuanyi Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> This piece is highly readable but in my estimation  it falls short of
>> what
>> should be a worthier attitude/response to corruption-assuming that all
>> Nigerians truly believe that corruption must go!To single one regime for
>> corruption charges,out of all the regimes that have governed Nigeria,
>> nearly all of which can be justifiably accused of corrupt governance is a
>> parochial,narrow,petty and devious response to corruption.
>>
>> It narrows the idea and annoints it all the more.
>>
>> It will strengthen the claim that corruption charges in Nigeria depends
>> on
>> who is involved, where he or she comes from and the peculiar interest of
>> the anti-corruption agent or body.It is a mockery on the desired fight
>> against corruption.Simple!
>>
>> Evil is evil and has no gender or race or tribe.And corruption is evil
>> because it amounts to wealth without work.
>>
>> So can Nigerians(under what may be called a veil of innocence) demand a
>> list of all citizens  who have wealth or money they were not in a
>> position
>> to acquire; and can it be held that these are corrupt wealth until the
>> source of the wealth proves otherwise?
>>
>> Can the president be bold to set a body that will achieve this list?
>>
>> Establishing this list would,I think, be a fundamental beginning to such
>> moral struggle.
>>
>> Perhaps thereafter what to do with the list will be debated and a popular
>> decision will be acheived!
>>
>> Difficult and demanding as this may be,if Buhari would not have the
>> courage to go this far(at least to tell us who exactly were/are the
>> corrupt
>> citizens of the Nigerian state),it is doubtful how far he could go with
>> his
>> anti-corruption dream,paasionate as he may be about it!
>>
>> Corruption may just be perching at his backyard even as he is shooting at
>> it in the village square!
>>
>>
>> Lawrence Ogbo Ugwuanyi,Ph.D
>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>> Department of Philosophy & Religions
>> University of Abuja.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 7/20/15, Jibrin Ibrahim <jib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Jibrin Ibrahim <jib...@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>> > To: "usaafric...@googlegroups.com" <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
>> > Date: Monday, July 20, 2015, 12:08 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Investigations
>> > of Mega
>> > Looting Must Continue, But Must be Lawful
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jibrin
>> > Ibrahim, Deepening Democracy Column, Daily Trust,
>> > 20th
>> > July 2015
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The
>> > Head of State declared that the government was "to all
>> > intents
>> > and purposes bankrupt." The person in question was
>> > Mohammadu Buhari and
>> > the time was October 1984. The statement was a justification
>> > for the draconian
>> > actions his regime was taking against the political class he
>> > succeeded which he
>> > declared to be composed of economic criminals and saboteurs.
>> > He detained 475
>> > politicians and businessmen and set up five military
>> > tribunals to judge them
>> > for corruption. The military, according to Max Siollun were
>> > the prosecutor,
>> > judge and jury. The legal principle was that the onus was on
>> > the accused to
>> > prove their innocence. Within months, the crème de la
>> > crème of the Second
>> > Republic – Melford Okilo, Abubakar Rimi, Solomon Lar, Bola
>> > Ige, Aper Aku, Jim
>> > Nwobodo etc. were jailed for 21 years each. The military
>> > were not excluded, Col
>> > Obasa for example was jailed for 22 years when it was
>> > discovered that he had
>> > 305 Naira in his bank account when he became NYSC director
>> > in 1979 and the said
>> > account had grown to seven million Naira in December 1983.
>> > Suddenly, public
>> > opinion turned against Buhari, he was moving too fast and
>> > too far. Of course
>> > the public opinion was driven by a beleaguered press
>> > suffering from the effects
>> > of draconian laws that curbed the media and sent many
>> > journalists to jail.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It
>> > would be recalled that the regime has enacted the infamous
>> > Decree No.
>> > 4 aimed at stopping he media from "maligning" public
>> > offices irrespective of
>> > the veracity of the stories reported. Two journalists of The
>> > Guardian, Nduka
>> > Irabor and Tunde Thompson had been jailed and the media and
>> > the human rights
>> > community were in justified rage against Buhari's human
>> > rights abuses. For many
>> > Nigerians however, jailing the corrupt politicians was the
>> > right thing to do.
>> > Indeed, there can be no doubt that much of the popularity
>> > that eventually
>> > propelled Buhari to power this year is not unconnected with
>> > popular memories
>> > linking him to the capacity to deal with corrupt
>> > politicians. The more people
>> > realised the depth of the corruption of the Jonathan
>> > Administration, the more
>> > they felt they needed Buhari.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In
>> > his book Peace and Violence in Nigeria, Professor Tekena
>> > Tamuno
>> > reminds us that when Buhari came to power in January 1984,
>> > he was regularly
>> > attacked for being "as slow as a tortoise". Newspaper
>> > pundits compared his slow
>> > pace to the extremely fast pace with which General Murtala
>> > Mohammed hit the
>> > ground running when he took over power from General Yakubu
>> > Gowon. It turned out
>> > that Buhari was not slow; he was planning a blitzkrieg
>> > against the corrupt
>> > political class that had bankrupted Nigeria.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fast
>> > forward thirty years, Mohammadu Buhari is back in power and
>> > his
>> > immediate assessment is that Nigeria is bankrupt and the
>> > Jonathan
>> > Administration of mega looters has direct responsibility for
>> > the terrible state
>> > of affairs. Since assuming power, he has been listening a
>> > lot, reading a lot
>> > and engaged in little action. Nigerians are beginning to
>> > shout that he is too
>> > slow. We should be careful what we pray for; a very fast
>> > moving Buhari taking
>> > precipitate unlawful action against corruption might not be
>> > what we need.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I
>> > believe that it is not an easy situation for President
>> > Buhari. Nigeria
>> > has not seen the level of reckless mega corruption that has
>> > been displayed by
>> > the Jonathan Administration. They stole our national
>> > resources with such
>> > reckless abandon that suggested they believed they would be
>> > thrown out of
>> > office at the elections. Yet, the evidence before us is that
>> > they believed they
>> > would win the elections through free or foul means and yet
>> > they stole as if
>> > there would be no political tomorrow. Having essentially
>> > started by stealing
>> > what was in the budget, they graduated to stealing the
>> > national income before
>> > it even went to the national purse. I would not be surprised
>> > if President
>> > Buhari would be wishing that he could set up military
>> > tribunals and send all of
>> > them to jail. However he knows, and he had said it himself,
>> > that the world has since
>> > changed. There can be no retroactive laws as he had in 1984.
>> > There can be no
>> > trial by military tribunals. The legal principle is all are
>> > innocent until
>> > proved guilty and the rule of law is the guiding principle.
>> > It is therefore not
>> > surprising that he has been in such deep thought, study and
>> > reflection.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Finally,
>> > action appeared to have studied last week. The all-powerful
>> > former
>> > National Security Adviser, Col Sambo Dasuki had his houses
>> > raided just two days
>> > after leaving office. He was interrogated through the night;
>> > monies and arms
>> > were reported to have been seized from his domicile. As Col
>> > Dasuki himself
>> > said, the high handedness was uncalled for, he should have
>> > been invited for
>> > questioning and he would have respected the invitation. I
>> > was troubled by the
>> > press release issued by the Department of State Services
>> > (DSS) justifying their
>> > high-handed action. They claim to have "credible
>> > intelligence linking the immediate past NSA, Mohammed Sambo
>> > DASUKI (Col Rtd) with
>> > alleged plans to commit treasonable felony against the
>> > Nigerian State". The
>> > evidence they pointed to include the discovery of twelve new
>> > vehicles and seven
>> > assault rifles in his house. I have no security training so
>> > I do not know how
>> > treasonable felony is executed. All the same, I would be
>> > extremely surprised at
>> > the feasibility of Col Sambo Dasuki zooming off in a new SUV
>> > carrying riffles
>> > to overthrow the regime. We learn from the DSS report that
>> > he was still
>> > enjoying armed guards from the army so the existence of the
>> > arms might be easily
>> > explained.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Moving
>> > forward, it is very important that investigations into the
>> > corrupt deals of the
>> > Jonathan Administration follow the rule of law. The
>> > investigations must however
>> > be done and done thoroughly. Given the extent of the
>> > economic crimes and sabotage
>> > done by the Jonathan Administration, the investigations must
>> > go back to the
>> > beginning of the regime. The monies looted from our treasury
>> > must be recovered
>> > and used for national development. At this point, President
>> > Buhari must explain
>> > his anti-corruption strategy to Nigerians and there should
>> > be a debate about
>> > it. What role, for example, would the anti-corruption
>> > agencies paly and how
>> > would they be revamped? The possible modes for recovering
>> > looted funds should
>> > also be debated. President Buhari would also require a
>> > competent and principled
>> > Minister of Justice and Attorney General of the Federation
>> > to anchor the work,
>> > which brings s, back to the vexed issue of political
>> > appointments. President
>> > Buhari is a recognized anti-corruption crusader but he
>> > cannot do the work
>> > alone. He needs a team to guide him away from easy routes
>> > that could be
>> > booby-trapped and not bear the fruit we are all
>> > expecting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jibrin Ibrahim PhD
>> > Senior
>> > Fellow
>> > Centre for
>> > Democracy and Development
>> > 16 A7 Street,
>> > CITEC Mbora Estate,
>> > Jabi/Airport Road
>> > By-pass,
>> > P.O.Box14345, Wuse
>> > Abuja, Nigeria
>> > Tel - +234 8053913837
>> > Twitter- @jibrinibrahim17
>> > Facebook- jibrin.ibrahim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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