Ken Asagwara:
On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Vin Otuonye <vincentotuonye@msn.com> wrote:
Prince KC:
There is nothing wrong in listening to those from the outside. A cultural practice that hurt an individual, no matter how lowly placed that individual is in society should be done away with.
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
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Subject: RE: Re: [africanworldforum] OBAMAM-NATION: Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:44:43 +0000
General I. Williams:
I believe you and me are on the same wave length on this issue. Culture is relative; and belief systems and values that work in one society may not work or be acceptable in another. Any changes that may occur in any culture should not be imposed from outside.
Cheers.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] OBAMAM-NATION: Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
KA,I stand by my own view that it is not an outsiders business to tell me which culture I should let go just as it is not my business which of their culture they should let go.There is no world culture and that is why there are different cultural practices.iw
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Asagwara, Ken (EAL) <Ken.Asagwara@gov.mb.ca> wrote:
Bolaji Aluko, VC:
While it may be true that the four "tests" you outlined are relevant when evaluating the usefulness of any culture(s) in contemporary times, I believe among the African cultures that President Obama would want let go, for instance, is the culture of Polygamy. Polygamy as an African cultural institution served and continues to serve useful purposes from time immemorial.
In place of an African culture of Polygamy, President Obama would want Africans to accept the western world contemporary times culture of Homo Sexualism and Lesbianism which African countries and many other countries of the world consider abnormal behavior, un-natural in human societies, even in the wild kingdom. How can any reasonable person advocate that Africans abandon their old tradition of Polygamy which has never stood in the way of progress and if anything, had fostered progress in most African societies for the anathema called Homo Sexual and Lesbians, a way of life that both in the short and long run will destroy the institution of marriage and family as God/Nature created it?
I do not know, if it is obvious to you and the other readers that among the old African traditions that President Obama would want done away with is the African culture that rejects Homo-Sexualism and Lesbianism. For him, in order that it be that African countries have joined the modern and contemporary times, they should accept western world's disgusting and abominable culture of man and man marriage and woman and woman marriage. Mbanu; that can't be.
Cheers.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
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Subject: [africanworldforum] OBAMAM-NATION: Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
Joe Onuoha:May your tribe increase!
Obama is indeed right: tradition, whether African, or Asian, or European, or American, should not be used to foster ignorance, pain and wickedness of any sort.
The tests are simple:
(1). First, there is no BLANKET tradition: rather, it is a series of beliefs and practices, each of which can be questioned for current relevance, commensurate with a balance between the rights and responsibilities of the INDIVIDUAL and his/her COMMUNITY.
(2). So -.Does the PARTICULAR tradition make the target individual human being - man, woman, old, young, rich, poor, able-bodied, not-so-able, etc - happy? If not, re-evaluate it to ensure same.
(2) Does the PARTICULAR tradition THREATEN the survival of the target Community, including its amity with surrounding Communities? If it does, re-evaluate same to avoid same.
(3). Finally, does the PARTICULAR tradition threaten the ENVIRONMENT - land, water and air - in which the Community lives? If Yes, then re-evaluate it.
By the way, I have stayed away here from spiritual or religious matters, because any religion that makes its adherents or Community unhappy, or threatens the Environment, is not worth adhering to.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:07:50 +0000
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
Gen Williams et al:
Obama is right: a nation that allows culture handed down to them from people that never saw how the future would look like is doomed to remain down. Such is the case with African countries. Culture is something one continuously assesses and re-assesses and in doing so, pick and sustain what is important for the current generation and put in museum, what is no longer needed. Africans have remained tied to the culture (most of which are wicked, sexist, degrading and dehumanizing!)
With regard to fighting acculturation:It is pretty late to fight the "acculturation", wouldn't you say? Here is my point:
- You send your children away to their schools (and ofcourse loose them forever! A great loss to a nation!) because you refuse to build and support good schools in your country. The few you have are loaded with teachers who refuse to teach and who demand sex, money and other favors from the gullible students
- You take your country's money and dump in their banks while your people suffer.
- You buy just about everything and anything you use or eat from them. Farming, etc is no longer appealing and is in fact lowly-rated
- You reject the blackness of your skin and thus buy Ambi, Satina, etc (they made for you) to destroy your skin.
- You put in your churches symbols that show black as bad and white as good (and in doing so, destroy the psychic of your current and future generations of your people who subsequently grow with inferiority complex!)
- You travel to them to get medical treatment because out of pure wickedness, ignorance and stupidity, you dump billions of your money in their banks instead of using the money to build good hospitals (as they have done!). You actually hail and glamorize your leaders who announced how much public they just put in their banks and address them as "His Excellency"!
- You no longer want to use Naira for transactions within your country, you prefer Dollars, Pounds, soon Yen, etc! A pure rejection of self which has severe ramifications for the people and for a nation!
- Look at the names you give to your children: how many of them represent "you"?
So, what acculturation are you now fighting for? You might as well "join them since you cannot fight them! You do not even fight due to incapacitation and cowardice! For if you fight, you will demonstrate against your people (your leaders in government, business, religion, academia, etc) who ignore their responsibilities to their people and the country. You will not allow them to drive down on their exotic cars, parade their mansions or even seat on your head table! You will not even accept their so-called "donations" (which will actually make some of them re-think!) But out of your gullibility, greed and foolishness, you take such money. It is hard to eat your cake and have it back. Africans will either use their brains to think so as to learn or continue to enslave themselves, while waiting for god/God to come do for them what they ought to do for themselves! Until they do, fighting the "acculturation" is a waste of time!
Joe.
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
Thanks, General
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Date:07/28/2015 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can't Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns ObamaWho determines the old traditions that we must let go?He or we Resident- Africans?Have we not acculturated enough?Are we going to be follow-follow all our lives?
When do religious beliefs become subsumed under Human Rughts?
There is a LIMIT.iw
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The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.
Welcomed by the African Union's first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and "one of our own," Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent's gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. "With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity," he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa "can't let old traditions stand in the way."
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