Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations

some
starry eyed people are
acting as if the Nigerian perennial wish for a political
messiah is here at
last.
Oluwatoyin Adepoju

Contrary to your perception, the only messiah I listen to is Handel's.
Many more people herein listen to scriptural messiahs. Buhari is not
one. He is ramrod erect but not infallible. We supported and voted for
him because he offered a reasonable and better alternative to the one
who couldn't even rein in the crude excesses of his wife let alone
female ministers or his bumbling service chiefs. We are willing to
support him towards ushering in change, not to ambush and dog his step
at every turn. And that is the difference between us: For GEJ you see
no evil and hear no evil despite almost 6 years of incompetence and
official impunity yet not a modicum of acknowledgement from you
apologists. Some are shamed but are never ashamed! Buhari has chalked
off 60+ days and already his government has been written off. Who does
that?

The open sore has gotten gangrenous, the cure has to be surgically
invasive and incisive.

On 8/3/15, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
> While members of USAAfrica Dialogues Google group churn out learned
> arguments for a politician , the politician goes about his job in his own
> crude but effective way.
>
> He makes his kinsman the director of the state security service.
>
> he makes his kinsperson the director of the National Electoral Commission
>
> he makes his religious and ethnic affiliates the service chiefs
>
> that way, the most sensitive aspects of rulership are sewn up.
>
> no loopholes.
>
> i have wondered why crude dictators like Idi Amin were able to succeed in
> a Uganda that housed the honoured Makere University.
>
> it might be the same or similar reason why Hitler succeeded in Gerrmany, a
> country then at the height of its shaping pf modern science and modern
> Western intellectual culture.
>
> partly bcs some intellectuals/scholars demonstrate a lack of
> understanding of politics.
>
> as Buhari focuses on making nepotistic and clannish appointments and
> initiates a war of suppression in relation to the previous govt and its
> demographic affiliates in the SS, refrains from setting up a govt, in other
> words, creates the structure of a dictatorship, some starry eyed people are
> acting as if the Nigerian perennial wish for a political messiah is here at
> last.
>
> thanks
> toyin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> On 3 August 2015 at 08:18, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *In his rejoinder to Segun Ogungbemi, K. Gozie Ifeshinachuku wrote,
>> "Nigeria is not a serious country. We know what ails us; we just don't
>> want
>> to solve our problems." *
>>
>> *I will rather say Nigerians are not serious people. Nigeria is a country
>> where people pray to God to give them electric light when they have
>> Professor of electricity as Minister of power producing Mega Watts of
>> darkness despite collecting millions of naira as salaries and fringe
>> benefits from the nation. Nigeria is a country where people pray to be
>> rich
>> without work and Nigeria is a country where students no longer read, but
>> pray, to pass exams. In 1999, corruption was in the secondary school but
>> between 2007 and 2015 it has become a Professor. Thus, the greatest
>> thieves
>> in Nigeria are the educated elites, at Federal, State and local
>> government
>> levels as well as in Departments, Agencies and Parastatals, and
>> the educated elites are the intellectuals. In the *Anthills of Savanah*
>> Chinua Achebe told us that the Colonialist met a Nigerian Twin, he made
>> one
>> a President and the other a shit carrier. If I were to complete Achebe's
>> theory, I will add that the colonialist taught one of the twins how to
>> write and speak the colonial language properly for the purpose of
>> transacting colonial business. The mentally colonised has seen to it that
>> his twin-brother is shielded from learning how to write and speak the
>> colonial language and therefore force him to continue as a shit
>> carrier. While I agree with you that we know what ails us, I will like to
>> add that we refuse to agree on the medical solutions to our ailments.*
>>
>> *Earlier on where the regime of Buhari should start his corruption
>> investigations, Oluwatoyin Adepoju, Ikhide Ikheloha and others had argued
>> that the investigations should be extended to previous regimes commencing
>> from 1966 and not limited to Jonathan regime. Oluwatoyin Adepoju even
>> went
>> to the extent of dis-recognising Buhari as the President that has the
>> right
>> to probe the government from which he took over power adding that Buhari
>> should first probe himself before probing past regimes. While not
>> disputing
>> there were corruptions before Jonathan, Segun Ogungbemi counselled the
>> protagonists of extended corruption investigations to all previous
>> regimes
>> to go to court if they have any concrete evidence to support their
>> allegations. In view of Segun Ogungbemi's submission, you have forwarded
>> some internet links about Halliburton bribery scandal in Nigeria as a
>> concrete evidence that could be used in a court of law in Nigeria. Going
>> through your five internet links which are supposed to be concrete
>> evidence
>> of bribery payment by Halliburton in Nigeria, I discovered the following
>> information about the amount said to have been paid as bribery:
>> Huffington
>> Post- US $180 million; India Express- US $182 million; Punch Nigeria -US
>> $180million; ICIJ-US$182million; and CNN- about US $180 million. As you
>> can
>> see, the amount paid as bribe was not even certain and if anyone is to go
>> to court in Nigeria, which amount will the plaintiff claim to have been
>> paid and received as bribe?*
>>
>> *Further in your links, it was revealed that the Nigerian Government
>> entered into agreement with Halliburton for settlement out of court on 22
>> December 2010. It read thus, "Pursuant to this agreement, all lawsuits
>> and
>> charges against Halliburton and Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) corporate
>> entities and associated persons have been withdrawn. Nigerian officials
>> agreed not to bring any further criminal charges or civil claims against
>> those entities or persons." Halliburton paid Nigeria the sum of US $35
>> million which included US $2.5 million to pay legal fees and other
>> expenses
>> for the Nigerian government. In addition, Halliburton also agreed to help
>> Nigeria recover money from a Swiss bank account set up by a former agent
>> for its Nigerian venture, TSKJ. The amount was said to be about US $130
>> million. In spite of that agreement, three people were charged at an
>> Abuja
>> High Court presided over by Justice Abubakar Umar, in Nigeria on 17
>> February 2011 but on Monday, 26 March 2012, Justice Umar struck out the
>> case for non-diligent prosecution. Although Halliburton bribery scandal
>> began in 1994 and stretched up to 2004, the legal settlement in Nigeria
>> occurred between 2010 and 2012 when Goodluck Jonathan was President and
>> the
>> Attorney General and Minister of Justice was Michael Aondoakaa in a PDP
>> government. Even if Buhari should revive the Halliburton's bribery
>> scandal
>> as being demanded by Ikhide and Oluwatoyin Adepoju, it is immediate past
>> President Jonathan who must tell Nigerians what happened to about US $130
>> million recovered from Switzerland according to December 22, 2010
>> agreement
>> with Halliburton.*
>>
>> *Since 2007, 33 former Governors have been facing trial for looting their
>> states during their tenure in office. Judges have not only seen to it
>> that
>> the Ex-Governors were granted bails, but cases against them have been
>> adjourned indefinitely. Buhari and his APC have promised Nigerians to
>> strengthen the law so that looters of our national treasury should refund
>> their loots and receive appropriate punishments. The majority granted by
>> the electorates in the legislature has now been altered by some APC
>> members
>> fraternizing with PDP to prevent making of any law that would make
>> treasury
>> looters accountable and punishable. All honest Nigerians should protest
>> to
>> recover mandates given to Buhari and APC by the electorates from the
>> *Like
>> Minds* looting Senators.*
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: kgifesi@austin.rr.com
>> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 17:06:07 -0500
>>
>>
>> Prof. Segun Ogungbemi,
>>
>> Nigeria is not a serious country. We know what ails us; we just don't
>> want
>> to solve our problems.
>>
>> .
>>
>> Please feel free to institute lawsuits in Nigeria against relevant people
>> in previous and current government or sponsors with some of the
>> information
>> extant on the internet regarding Halliburton bribery trials and
>> convictions
>> and see how far you get. Nigeria is not a serious country. Ikhide is
>> simply
>> more blunt in making his points which is more out love for Africa in
>> general and Nigeria in particular.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/albert-stanley-halliburton-kbr-bribery-sentence_n_1299760.html
>>
>>
>> http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-others/files-point-to-182mn-halliburton-bribery-scandal-in-nigeria/
>>
>>
>> http://www.punchng.com/news/how-govt-agencies-killed-180m-halliburton-bribery-case/
>>
>>
>> http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/files-open-new-window-182-million-halliburton-bribery-scandal-nigeria
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/12/21/nigeria.halliburton/
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gozie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Segun Ogungbemi
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2015 1:16 PM
>> *To:* usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations
>>
>>
>>
>> Any probe that worths its salt must be supported with concrete evidence.
>> I
>> mean concrete evidence that is not based on assumptions or ethnic
>> considerations.
>>
>> Any Nigerian including those in the diaspora who have concrete and
>> verifiable proofs can go to court in Nigeria and press for prosecution
>> without waiting on Buhari administration. We all have the rights to
>> collectively fight corruption. We need to chase the recalcitrant goat of
>> corruption out of the farm yard.
>>
>> If anyone is serious about digging to the rock bottom of corruption since
>> 1960 let him do so through the judicial system. It is his right. So,
>> Toyin,
>> Ikhide and others can lead the team.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Prof. Segun Ogungbemi
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:19 AM, "'Ikhide' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <
>> usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> You will notice how the author of that fiction conveniently forgot the
>> mother of all looters - Olusegun Obasanjo, the thief hiding in plain
>> view,
>> the kleptomaniac that gave us Yar'Adua and GEJ. When I tell you that
>> 99.9%
>> of Nigerian intellectuals are complicit in the Shane playing out today,
>> you
>> think I am mad. How can we in good conscience exempt Obasanjo from a
>> probe?
>> How can? Nonsense.
>> - Ikhide
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 3:56 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Pure fiction :
>>
>> 'the scale of looting under GEJ beggars belief. It trumped even the
>> lootocracy of Abacha.'
>> Abolaji Adekeye
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you point us to any significant evidence that justifies this claim?
>>
>>
>>
>> A true crusader for justice who wants to reset the direction of the
>> nation
>> would probe himself and his allies.
>>
>> Not probe only his opponents- wuru wuru, wayo [Nigerian pidgin English
>> for
>> cunning and obfuscation] govt style.
>>
>> Were the Watergate <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal>
>> investigations not carried out in US President Nixon's administration,
>> leading to his resignation?
>>
>> Was the Monica Lewiskly scandal
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal>not investigated in US
>> President Bill Clinton's admin, leading to Clinton's impeachment?
>>
>> So, why must the so called anti-corruption crusader in Nigeria
>> investigate
>> his opponents but not himself and his allies in the past and present
>> administrations, talk less his allies in older administrations described
>> as
>> redefining on a monumental scale public theft in Nigeria?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> toyin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 July 2015 at 19:01, Abolaji Adekeye <blargeo.dekeye@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The pettifogging and specious arguments deployed by People like
>> Oluwatoyin and other Jonathadeens is amusing. They would have us
>> believe that Goodjo's administration is being persecuted. They would
>> also have us believe that Goodjo is corruption free and even if his
>> goat nibbled on some tubers of yam from the communal barn, it should
>> be overlooked because goats from other seasons are equally guilty of
>> "Yamming"
>>
>> They tell us that GEJ deployed "te ki ina loji" to prevent corruption.
>> A fat lot of good that technology did to prevent the pension scam,
>> Nimasa's and NNPC's ! These advocates of corruption want PMB to
>> declare an amnesty on a corrupt administration, overlook all and just
>> deploy that supreme tech that worked so well under their principal.
>> Hear! Hear!!
>>
>> "Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more
>> honest approach of
>> prevention through financial restructuring rather than
>> Buhari's dishonest
>> witch-hunting strategy"
>>
>> This is chicanery taken to an olympian height of farce. Some people
>> wouldn't see truth if it pokes them in the eye. Yes, the history of
>> Nigeria is that of serial heists by successive governments but the
>> scale of looting under GEJ beggars belief. It trumped even the
>> lootocracy of Abacha.
>>
>> Call it whatever you like; persecution, witch hunt, scape goatism. One
>> thing is certain, ex prez Goodluck has nothing to fear if he has done
>> nothing to warrant fear. Let the probe commence from his
>> administration but shouldn't terminate there is what I advocate.
>>
>> On 7/31/15, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *EDITED-*
>> >
>> > First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
>> > So, your claim, Kadiri, that 'Buhari should start clearing the log of
>> > corruption trees from the top' is different from Buhari's agenda.
>> > Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe
>> anyone
>> > bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other charges to
>> > answer.
>> > I have given a list of such corruption and treason charges relating to
>> > Buhari and his allies as evident from the last election cycle, the last
>> > administration and the current one.
>> > So, don't bother continuing with your effort to generate ridicule by
>> going
>> > into the distant past.
>> > Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign
>> > financing,
>> > Shettima and the Chibok incident are all cases live at the present
>> > moment
>> > as I demonstrate in my earlier post.
>> > We dont need to return to the beginning of the world to examine what is
>> in
>> > front of our eyes.
>> > Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest approach of
>> > prevention through financial restructuring rather than Buhari's
>> > dishonest
>> > witch-hunting strategy as is demonstrated in these essays :
>> >
>> > "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS-
>> Method
>> > and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu
>> > <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103
>> >"
>> >
>> > "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will
>> > Make
>> > You Scream
>> > <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressive-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-scream/10152621775954103
>> >)
>> > "
>> > summing up the GEJ govts' understanding of the anti-corruption struggle
>> as
>> > more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire socio-economic
>> > landscape than the sloganeering of fighting monetary corruption which
>> > is
>> > all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in perspectives summed up by
>> > Vincent
>> > Unachukwu
>> > <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership-as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/10152624307539103
>> >
>>
>> > .
>> > Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated bcs
>> it
>> > has no unifying ethos.
>> > Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's ultimate
>> > direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
>> > The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the
>> need
>> > to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to the
>> nation's
>> > highest office of a man who could not present even a primary school
>> > certificate as his educational qualification to contest for office,
>> > who,when the pressure became deafening, had to call a press conference
>> > to
>> > make claims he could not verify about the whereabouts of his secondary
>> > school certificate, demonstrating conclusively that his rising to the
>> rank
>> > of general or even the terms on which he entered the Nigerian army are
>> > questionable at best, a quota President of questionable education in a
>> > country where it is unthinkable for a Presidential candidate from any
>> > region other than the Muslim North to show up with anything less than a
>> > first degree, in a world where sophisticated education is at a premium
>> > in
>> > all aspects of public life on account of the complexity of modern
>> > civilisation.
>> > This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
>> > military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram
>> > Islamic
>> > terrorism ravaging the North is to beg the the terrorists to negotiate.
>> > Not suprising bcs he has repeatedly identified with the terrorists by
>> > arguing
>> > they should not be combated
>>
>> > <
>> http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/clampdown-on-boko-haram-injustice-against-north-buhari/
>> >
>> > and that war agst them is agst the North
>> > <
>> http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/buhari-military-offensive-against-boko-haram-anti-north/149256/
>> >.
>>
>> >
>> > So, what remains- the so called fighter will not fight.
>> > We are faced with the complexities of govt.
>> > He has made himself into a civilian dictator who rules alone, under the
>> > pretext of not finding honest people to appoint.
>> > By the time he appoints the staff to run the govt as is vital in a
>> > democratic system, he would have consolidated his dictatorial hold,
>> leaving
>> > ashes in the mouths of Nigerians, feeding aborted visions to those
>> calling
>> > for change by appointing the whitewashed dictator.
>> > thanks
>> > toyin
>> >
>> > On 31 July 2015 at 13:53, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
>> >>
>> >> So, your claim, Kadiri, that 'Buhari should start clearing the log of
>> >> corruption trees from the top' is diferent from Buhari's agenda.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe
>> >> anyone bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other
>> >> charges to answer.
>> >>
>> >> I have given a list of such coruption and treason charges relating
>> >> to
>> >> Buhari and his allies as evident from the last election cycle, the
>> >> last
>> >> administration and the current one.
>> >>
>> >> So, dont bother continuing with your effort to generate ridicule by
>> >> going
>> >> into the distant past.
>> >>
>> >> Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign
>> financing,
>> >> Shettima and the Chibok incident are all cases live at the present
>> >> moment
>> >> as I demonstrate ion my ealier post.
>> >>
>> >> We dont need to return to the beginning of the world to examine what
>> >> is
>> >> in front of our eyes.
>> >>
>> >> Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest aproach of
>> >> prevention through financical restructuring rather than Buhari's
>> >> dishonest
>> >> witch-hunting strategy as is demonstrated in these essays :
>> >>
>> >> "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS-
>> >> Method and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu
>>
>> >> <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103
>> >"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will
>> >> Make
>> >> You Scream
>> >> <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressive-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-scream/10152621775954103
>> >)
>> >> "
>> >>
>> >> summing up the GEJ govs understanding of the anti-corruption struggle
>> >> as
>> >> more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire socio-economic
>> >> landscape than the sloganeering of fighting monetary corruption which
>> is
>> >> all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in perscetives summed up by
>> >> Vincent
>> >> Unachukwu
>> >> <
>> https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership-as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/10152624307539103
>> >
>>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated
>> >> bcs
>> >> it
>> >> has no unfying ethos.
>> >>
>> >> Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's ultimate
>> >> direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
>> >>
>> >> The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the
>> >> need
>> >> to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to the
>> >> nation's
>> >> higest office of a man who could not present even a primary school
>> >> certificate as his educational qualification to contest for office,
>> >> who,when the pressure became deafening, had to call a press
>> >> conference
>> >> to
>> >> make claims he could not verify about the whereabouts of his secondary
>> >> school certificate, demonstrating conclusively that his rising to the
>> >> rank
>> >> of general or even the terms on which he entered the Nigerian army
>> >> are
>> >> questionable at best, a quota President of questionable education in a
>> >> country where it is unthinkable for a Presidential candidate from any
>> >> region other than the Muslim North to show up with anything less than
>> >> a
>> >> first degree, in a world where sophisticated education is at a
>> >> premuim
>> >> in
>> >> all aspects of public life on account of the complexity of modern
>> >> civilisation.
>> >>
>> >> This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
>> >> military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram
>> Islamic
>> >> terrorism ra
>>
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