Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Corruption Investigations

The point is not who is the worse criminal.

The point is that all Nigerians seek a reorientation of the nation, not the simple prosecution of anyone.

Otherwise we shall return to the status quo in no time.

So, those who claim go seek to reorient this nation should probe

themselves

their allies in the immediate past and present admin

their opponents in  the immediate past admin

and at the very least, the most flagrant cases in previous admins before the last one.

Then we shall know that the day of uhuru has come.

Until then, its another game of musical chairs.

We have been there before.

Each coup began with claims that the previous govt was overthrown bcs of corruption and other inadequacies, then the so called cleansers fill their mouths with loot before they are forced to leave.

Finally, Buhari's victory is only partially  equal to the verdict of 'most `Nigerians'.

Buhari's victory represents votes from the Muslim North who are understood to always vote fellow Hausa/Fulani Muslims, an orientation heightened by the 'power must return to the North cry' active since GEJ's swearing in in 2011, and the frustrations created by the Boko Haram escalation since 2011, which was the core of opposition to GEJ's govt and which Buhari and APC have manipulated.

The SW voted for Buhari bcs their leadership needed a door into the centre of power so as to escape decades of being locked into their region with little national reach and invested a VP in the race, an act that was central to garnering votes from the region.

All other regions are solidly anti-APC and the Buhari propaganda.

The SW branch of the APC coalition constitutes the same people who earlier castigated Buhari in 2008 for declaring Abacha was not corrupt even as Abacha's  massive loot was being returned to Nigeria as well as castigating ex military head of state Gen. Abdulsalami for declaring that past  leaders should not be probed.

The then AC spokesman Lai Muhammed, who made this condemnation on behalf of the AC, is the spokesman of APC and I dont know him to even allude to that incident from when his party and Buhari's then CPC were opposed.

Friends of convenience.

Thanks

toyin

On 1 August 2015 at 19:15, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:

Any probe that worths its salt must be supported with concrete evidence. I mean concrete evidence that is not based on assumptions or ethnic considerations.  

Any Nigerian including those in the diaspora who have concrete and verifiable proofs can go to court in Nigeria and press for prosecution without waiting on Buhari administration. We all have the rights to collectively fight corruption. We need to chase the  recalcitrant goat of corruption out of the farm yard. 

If anyone is serious about digging to the rock bottom of corruption since 1960 let him do so through the judicial system. It is his right. So, Toyin, Ikhide and others can lead the team. 

Best of luck. 

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:19 AM, "'Ikhide' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

You will notice how the author of that fiction conveniently forgot the mother of all looters - Olusegun Obasanjo, the thief hiding in plain view, the kleptomaniac that gave us Yar'Adua and GEJ. When I tell you that 99.9% of Nigerian intellectuals are complicit in the Shane playing out today, you think I am mad. How can we in good conscience exempt Obasanjo from a probe? How can? Nonsense. 
- Ikhide

On Aug 1, 2015, at 3:56 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:

Pure fiction :

'the scale of looting under GEJ beggars belief. It trumped even the lootocracy of Abacha.'

Abolaji Adekeye

Can you point us to any significant evidence that justifies this claim?

A true crusader for justice who wants to reset the direction of the nation would probe himself and his allies.

Not probe only his opponents- wuru wuru, wayo [Nigerian pidgin English for cunning and obfuscation] govt style.

Were the Watergate investigations not carried out in US President Nixon's administration, leading to his resignation?

Was the Monica Lewiskly scandal not investigated in US President Bill Clinton's admin, leading to Clinton's  impeachment?

So, why must the so called anti-corruption crusader in Nigeria investigate his opponents but not himself and his allies in the past and present administrations, talk less his allies in older administrations described as redefining on a monumental scale   public theft in Nigeria?

thanks

toyin

On 31 July 2015 at 19:01, Abolaji Adekeye <blargeo.dekeye@gmail.com> wrote:

The pettifogging and specious arguments deployed by People like
Oluwatoyin and other Jonathadeens is amusing. They  would have us
believe that Goodjo's administration is being persecuted. They would
also have us believe that Goodjo is corruption free and even if his
goat nibbled on some tubers of yam from the communal barn, it should
be overlooked because goats from other seasons are equally guilty of
"Yamming"

They tell us that GEJ deployed "te ki ina loji" to prevent corruption.
A fat lot of good that technology did to prevent the pension scam,
Nimasa's and NNPC's ! These advocates of corruption want PMB to
declare an amnesty on a corrupt administration, overlook all and just
deploy that supreme tech that worked so well under their principal.
Hear! Hear!!

"Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more
honest approach of
prevention through financial restructuring rather than
Buhari's dishonest
witch-hunting strategy"

This is chicanery taken to an olympian height of farce. Some people
wouldn't see truth if it pokes them in the eye. Yes, the history of
Nigeria is that of serial heists by successive governments but the
scale of looting under GEJ beggars belief. It trumped even the
lootocracy of Abacha.

Call it whatever you like; persecution, witch hunt, scape goatism. One
thing is certain, ex prez Goodluck has nothing to fear if he has done
nothing to warrant fear. Let the probe commence from his
administration but shouldn't terminate there is what I advocate.

On 7/31/15, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
> *EDITED-*
>
> First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
> So, your claim, Kadiri, that 'Buhari should start clearing the log of
> corruption trees from the top' is different from Buhari's agenda.
> Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe anyone
> bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other charges to
> answer.
> I have given a list of such corruption and treason charges relating to
> Buhari and his allies as evident from the last election cycle, the last
> administration and the current one.
> So, don't bother continuing with your effort to generate ridicule by going
> into the distant past.
> Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign financing,
> Shettima and the Chibok incident are all cases live at the present moment
> as I demonstrate in my earlier post.
> We dont need to return to the beginning of the world to examine what is in
> front of our eyes.
> Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest approach of
> prevention through financial restructuring rather than Buhari's dishonest
> witch-hunting strategy as is demonstrated in these essays :
>
> "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS- Method
> and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103>"
>
> "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will Make
> You Scream
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressive-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-scream/10152621775954103>)
> "
> summing up the GEJ govts' understanding of the anti-corruption struggle as
> more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire socio-economic
> landscape than the sloganeering of fighting monetary corruption which is
> all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in perspectives summed up by Vincent
> Unachukwu
> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership-as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/10152624307539103>

> .
> Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated bcs it
> has no unifying ethos.
> Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's ultimate
> direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
> The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the need
> to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to the nation's
> highest office of a man who could not present even a primary school
> certificate as his educational qualification to contest for office,
> who,when the pressure became deafening, had to call a press conference to
> make claims he could not verify about the whereabouts of his secondary
> school certificate, demonstrating conclusively that his rising to the rank
> of general or even the terms on which he entered the Nigerian army are
> questionable at best, a quota President of questionable education in a
> country where it is unthinkable for a Presidential candidate from any
> region other than the Muslim North to show up with anything less than a
> first degree, in a world where sophisticated education is at a premium in
> all aspects of public life on account of the complexity of modern
> civilisation.
> This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
> military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram Islamic
> terrorism ravaging the North is to beg the the terrorists to negotiate.
> Not suprising bcs he has repeatedly identified with the terrorists  by
> arguing
> they should not be combated

> <http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/clampdown-on-boko-haram-injustice-against-north-buhari/>
> and that war agst them is agst the North
> <http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/buhari-military-offensive-against-boko-haram-anti-north/149256/>.

>
> So, what remains- the so called fighter will not fight.
> We are faced with the complexities of govt.
> He has made himself into a civilian dictator who rules alone, under the
> pretext of not finding honest people to appoint.
> By the time he appoints the staff to run the govt as is vital in a
> democratic system, he would have consolidated his dictatorial hold, leaving
> ashes in the mouths of Nigerians, feeding aborted visions to those calling
> for change by appointing the whitewashed dictator.
> thanks
> toyin
>
> On 31 July 2015 at 13:53, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First, Buhari says he will probe only GEJ.
>>
>> So, your claim, Kadiri,  that 'Buhari should start clearing the log of
>> corruption trees from the top' is diferent from Buhari's agenda.
>>
>> Secondly, I am stating that Buhari is not morally qualified to probe
>> anyone bcs Buhari and his allies have corruption, treason and other
>>  charges to answer.
>>
>> I have given a list of such  coruption and treason  charges relating to
>> Buhari and his  allies as evident from the last election cycle, the last
>> administration and the current one.
>>
>> So, dont bother continuing  with your effort to generate ridicule by
>> going
>> into the distant past.
>>
>> Aregbesola, Amaechi, Tinubu, El Rufai, Buhari and his campaign financing,
>> Shettima and the Chibok  incident are all cases live at the present
>> moment
>> as I demonstrate ion my ealier post.
>>
>> We dont need to return to the beginning  of the world to examine what is
>> in front of our eyes.
>>
>> Thirdly, GEJ's approach to corruption is the more honest aproach of
>> prevention through financical restructuring rather than Buhari's
>> dishonest
>>  witch-hunting strategy as is  demonstrated in these essays :
>>
>> "Blocking Corruption Through Technology: Nigeria's IPPIS and IPSAS-
>> Method and Supervision by Isuph JT and Chioma Mbakwe Ojukwu

>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/blocking-corruption-through-technology-nigerias-ippis-and-ipsas-method-and-super/10152612253744103>"
>>
>>
>> "7 Impressive Ways President Jonathan Fought Corruption (No. 3 Will Make
>> You Scream
>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/7-impressive-ways-president-jonathan-fought-corruption-no-3-will-make-you-scream/10152621775954103>)
>> "
>>
>> summing up the GEJ govs understanding of the anti-corruption struggle as
>> more of a comprehensive restructuring of the entire socio-economic
>> landscape than the sloganeering  of fighting monetary corruption which is
>> all Buhari has to offer, a contrast in perscetives summed up by Vincent
>> Unachukwu
>> <https://www.facebook.com/notes/oluwatoyin-vincent-adepoju/leadership-as-structural-thinking-and-action-by-vincent-unachukwu/10152624307539103>

>> .
>>
>> Finally, I have concluded that the country needs to be renegotiated bcs
>> it
>> has no unfying ethos.
>>
>> Any other initiative that claims to restructure Nigeria's  ultimate
>> direction is either a waste of time or sheer dishonesty or both.
>>
>> The culture of going backward nationally in Nigeria, a symptom of the
>> need
>> to renegotiate the nation, is demonstrated by the election to the
>> nation's
>> higest office of a man who could not present even a primary school
>> certificate as his educational qualification to contest for office,
>> who,when the pressure became deafening,  had to call a press conference
>> to
>> make claims he could not verify about the whereabouts of his secondary
>> school certificate, demonstrating conclusively that his rising to the
>> rank
>> of general or even the terms on which he entered the  Nigerian army are
>> questionable at best, a quota President of questionable education in a
>> country where it is unthinkable  for a Presidential candidate from any
>> region other than the Muslim North to show up with anything less than a
>> first degree, in a world where sophisticated  education is at a premuim
>> in
>> all aspects of public life on account of the complexity of modern
>> civilisation.
>>
>> This fraud was elected based on sentiments deriving partly from his
>> military background yet the best he has done about the Boko Haram Islamic
>> terrorism ra

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