Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Another Nigerian stampede survivor says I was pinned down - Vanguard News

Interestingly, there is a testimony along what you have said from a South African pilgrim in a documentary film. The documentary film is produced by National Geographic and it is called "INSIDE MECCA." National Geographic confessed it was a rare concession that the Saudi authorities allowed them to document the HAJJ using four people or so as a case study: a) a White American woman that became Muslim; b) a Black South African; c) A Malaysian and one other person.

 I showed it in my class just to illustrate to students what French scholar Emile Durkheim meant by the concepts of the: sacred and profane, and how those categories come into existence and how they help people to organize their religious lives whatever the religion is.

 But in the process of watching the documentary I stumbled on information that I never anticipated or thought of. The Black African from South Africa was initially so excited about the pilgrimage but during the process, amazingly he confessed to the question of discrimination.

 For me, this is kind of problem is one that is encountered in many or all religions: the gap between the ideal and the actual or real. One person, a friend from Nigeria who went to Israel for pilgrimage told me that the tour guide in Israel did not see their pilgrimage as something about faith, rather it is a money-making venture, and that is it. There are persons also who propositioned women.

Any activity that has a human part of it, has to take into consideration human frailty. There are religious people who still remain human but assume they are perfect and blameless. Such people are thought to be living in an artificial world of "over-realized eschatology." They assume they are with God already or they are god, when they are still humans with human frailty, thus their eschatology is over-realized.

Samuel

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:11 PM, <ibdullah@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone who has done Hajj or visited Saudi knows that they do not care about life, especially the life/welfare of black folks. They are very very racists!

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On Sep 28, 2015, at 3:52 PM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu> wrote:

Not much it seems to me if they do not pay for trip. People choose to take that risk. They have full ownership of the consequences if there are any. All governments may do is provide information to the travelers at home, and consular services to them in Saudi Arabia.

 

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What exactly should (can) the AU and/or Nigerian government do in this case?

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On Sep 27, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:

The AU should take a decisive action for the insult coming from the officials of Saudi Arabia. I hope The Federal Government of Nigeria must do something about this crazy religious obligation that leads to voluntary suicide in Mecca. 

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:04 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

this is pretty sad, esp given official saudi responses blaming the victims.
i should remind folks that in senegal the mourid hadj is to touba, the grand magal. no need to make the hadj to mecca to fulfill the obligation. and there are christian equivalents there as well. senegal gets it right, i believe.
ken

On 9/27/15 12:43 PM, 'CJM1' via USA Africa Dialogue Series wrote:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/09/another-nigerian-stampede-survivor-says-i-was-pinned-down/

 

 

 

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