If you allow nomadic herders to go around armed with AK-47s, would you also allow farmers to do the same in the spirit of fairness and equality as citizens? They have farms and crops to protect. More importantly, if armed grazing becomes the norm and ignored by the state, how do you then distinguish between nomads who are legitimately trying to protect their cattle from rustlers and cattle-less Fulani bandits/land grabbers and mercenaries who mix in freely with their nomadic herder kin, or even, as is clear from recent revelations, armed Fulani cattle rustlers within the nomadic Fulani communities?
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 2:43 PM, <ibdullah@gmail.com> wrote:
--All pastoralists groups in contemporary Africa are armed with AK47s---from Fulanis to Karamajong to Masai. It is not a Fulani problem; it is about land and grazing rights as much as it is about rustling and citizenship.--
Sent from my iPhonei have a hard time thinking of nomadic grazing as anachronistic. why can't both sedentary and nomadic peoples live together, accommodating each other. and why should the nomads, like the masai or tuareg, be forced to become "modern" herdsmen, raising their cattle or sheep, under "modern" conditions of production? is there anything more gruesome than meat raised in the form of animals that are bred to live stationary lives, in stalls, fed like automatons, injected with antibiotics, etc. in short, macdonald meat???
let them graze on the plains, let the herdsmen live and let live.
i write this knowing full well that the herdsmen in darfur committed atrocities, thanks in no small measure to bashir. but it need not be that way.
finally, if some fulani have committed some acts of malfeasance, that can be condemned without nomadic lifestyles being condemned, and subterreanously, without their beliefs being condemned. there are lots of atrocities by muslims and christians to go around, starting these days with CAR.
ken
On 10/3/15 12:59 PM, Bode wrote:
Why is no one defending the citizenship rights of Fulanis to live and herd their cattle anywhere in Nigeria? Where are the proponents and defenders of full unitary citizenship?
Bode--
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
I post articles that I agree with and those I dont agree with, whether the agreement or disagreement is total or partial.
My views on the Flulani herdsmen crisis is summed up in my earlier summations that Fulani insistence on nomadic grazing, sustaining this anachronistic lifestyle with force of arms, encroaching on others property, killing, raping and maiming, is a great problem for Nigeria, along with reports of Fulani efforts at colonisation in various parts odf Nigeria, behaviour that is sustained for years likely bcs of the prominent position of Fulanis in Nigerian politics.
Various first hand accounts and news summations on this group, news reports and research reports from different parts of the world justify my views on this.
The Fulani herdsmen menace and the Fulani colonisation agenda is described as killing more people in Nigeria than Boko Haram.
thanks
toyin
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On 3 October 2015 at 13:35, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
My sincere apology to you for changing your first name from Oluwatoyin to Olanrewaju. However, you forwarded the post because it corroborates your opinion on Fulani's herdsmen. Be progressive and stop re-posting reactionary and brain clogging articles on this forum.
Fraternally yours,
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:28:23 +0100
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Breaking..Fulani kidnap Yoruba Oba [Unfolding Crisis in Nigeria]
From: toyinkaidara@gmail.com
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
The post was
FORWARDED
by Oluwatoyin Adepoju, as part of information on the subject
not written by him.
thanks
toyin
On 2 October 2015 at 17:59, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is another brain clogging post from Olanrewaju Adepoju. Accompanying his post is a photograph of a shepherd carrying a gun while watching his cows grazing the grass. There were no visible houses, roads or streets in the picture shown. Yet, Olanrewaju Adepoju could ask : Are Nigerians allowed to carry guns in the streets and roads? His illustrative picture shows a shepherd carrying a gun in the midst of his cows not in a road or street but in a bush site. Premised on the picture of a shepherd carrying a gun in a bush site, Olanrewaju Adepoju then generalised that "These people own Nigeria indeed." One man in Adepoju's world of fables is THESE PEOPLE.
Concerning the main story said to have been culled from the Sun newspaper, the following is extracted, "The account said the gunmen, numbering about five and suspected to be Fulani herdsmen might have whisked the traditional ruler on a motorbike to an unknown destination. The Sun was quoting an eyewitness account of the kidnapping of the traditional ruler yet the eyewitness was not sure of how many gunmen were engaged in the kidnapping, through the expression 'the gunmen numbering about five.' The eyewitness was not sure either if the kidnappers were Fulani herdsmen, because he or she only suspected them to be Fulani herdsmen. Why should Fulani herdsmen be suspected? Did they leave their herds of cattle behind after kidnapping the traditional ruler? Do Fulani herdsmen drive their cattle around by riding on motorbike? This is one of the most unintelligent post I have ever come across on this forum and if I am wrong, please correct me.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:02:49 +0100
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Breaking..Fulani kidnap Yoruba Oba [Unfolding Crisis in Nigeria]
From: ayo.m.o.obe@gmail.com
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
"These people"?
Were you sleeping when OPC marched down Ikorodu Road in Lagos during the general election campaign brandishing their weapons in support of their demands relating to Permanent Voters Cards and Card Readers while the Nigeria Police Force looked on?
Ayo
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <toyinkaidara@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: vincent modebelu vin_modebelu@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 1 October 2015 at 16:58
Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] ||NaijaObserver|| Breaking..Fulani kidnap Yoruba Oba
To: naijaobserver <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>, Nigerian World Forum <nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com>, TalkNaija <talknigeria@yahoogroups.com>, Talkhard <talkhard@yahogroups.com>
Oba Adebisi Obademi, the traditional ruler of Apaa-Bunu community in Kabba-Bunu Local Government Area of Kogi State.
Are Nigerians allowed to carry guns in the streets and roads ?
These people own Nigeria indeed.
vin.....///
....Born to tell the truth....they are listening indeed
... thick walls will fall
GUNMEN yesterday abducted Oba Adebisi Obademi, the traditional ruler of Apaa-Bunu community in Kabba-Bunu Local Government Area of Kogi State.An eyewitness told Daily Sun that the traditional ruler was abducted at about 7.30 a.m. yesterday on his way to Odo – Ape, a suburb community close to his domain.The account said the gunmen, numbering about five and suspected to be Fulani herdsmen might have whisked the traditional ruler on a motorbike to an unknown destination.While condemning the dastardly act, a prominent political leader in the area and a Senior Special Assistant to Governor Idris Wada, Duro Meseko, said the spate of kidnapping in the area was getting alarming and called on law enforcement agents to be pro active in their activities.Meseko, who also called on the police authorities to establish a permanent police station in the area also decried the activities of Fulani herdsmen, who he alleged were frequently fomenting trouble in the area.The governor's aide also called on President Muhammadu Buhari to quickly address the issue of kidnapping in the country, saying law abiding citizens were now living in fear.A source close to the Commissioner of Police, Emmanuel Ojukwu, confirmed the incident but blamed the people in the area for allowing kidnapping to thrive in the area.The source said when the police made attempts in the previous kidnap incidents to launch an attack on the hide out of the kidnappers in the area, the same people allegedly pleaded that they would rather pay the ransom to the kidnappers than exposing the victims to any form of hurt, adding that it makes the police helpless.The source, however, quoted the CP to have vowed to flush out criminals in the area even as he urged residents to report any suspicious movement in the area, saying the police would not tolerate any incident of break down of law and order.Meanwhile, as the time of filing this report, no ransom had been demanded by the abductors.
http://naijapropa.com/2015/10/01/breaking-again-yoruba-traditional-ruler-kidnapped-by-fulani-herdsmen/
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