Ogbeni Kadiri,
I must say that you do sound a little like Rabbi Mizrachi on homosexuality and his more extended deliberations on the same matter to be found here.
In 1986 I had an official meeting with a very orthodox Rabbi Aaron Katz , here in Stockholm at the Community House. I had some questions for him about al-Islam - he was flabbergasted by my questions, so he took off for consultations in another room and returned some twenty minutes later, the long and short of his answer being, " We have our own traditions !" . So of course years later I was mildly surprised when he came out to be openly gay - and that that was not the end of the world for him, the death penalty was not imposed according to Leviticus 20:13 , and just a couple of years ago we had a Conservative/ Masorti / in the US known as "reform" , Rabbi David Lazar with whom I discussed from day one when I met him at Hedengrens bookshop, his very liberal, humanist type of views on Leviticus and what the Torah says about homosexuality
So what we see is "compassion, love and understanding" in the orthodox stream, more tolerance and acceptance in the more liberal Conservative/ Masorti /Reform sections of Judaism and lastly in the Holy Roman Catholic Church the very latest from Pope Francis 1 - but very little accommodation of these tendencies in the African Churches where there's the paradox of African Christians being more Catholic than His Holiness the Pope - or shall we say the earlier Popes? The only explanation at hand is that there is tremendous cultural resistance to the idea of Adam -to-Adam ( bone-to-bone as you say) instead of Adam and his wife Eve according to ancient and modern African traditional cultural values.
In the US and the rest of the wild west of course there are other forms of cultural resistance, as expressed in this single, line of immaculate poetry :
About this matter, Ogebni Kadiri, no crudities from you please ! Friends and acquaintances often say that they would like to see our civilisation progress from tolerance to acceptance of LGBT's human rights, freedoms and privileges. In the light of Pope Francis's new guidelines on family life, is Ogbeni Kediri also going to soften his tone towards the liberal homosexual brothers and sisters of the International family and brotherhood of mankind ?
N.B. No colourful crudités from you, ai beg…
Over there in Sierra Leone, they have a new Ministry of Social Welfare , Gender and Children's Affairs being manned by one of your sisters, Dr. Sylvia Olayinka Blyden – and waiting on her plate are issues such as FGM, a still tiny LGBT "community", gender equality, same sex marriage, and most importantly Children's Welfare. I don't envy her. She has already been taking a little flak at Bintumani and she has not even yet started with her good hearted missionary endeavours. Please join me in wishing her the best of luck
Shabbat Shalom!
Cornelius
On Wednesday, 6 April 2016 13:47:23 UTC+2, ogunlakaiye wrote:
Thanks to Chidi for this Poem, "The Original Sin" which would appear to have put spel on same sex intercourse in Africa as advanced by the duo, Kayode Ketefe, and Amatoritsero Ede through an article in the journal of homosexuality by George Olusola Ajibade. The central figures in Chidi's poem are Adam, Eve and the serpent. Christians distribute/sell million copies of Bible annually and they want us to believe its contents. It is impossible to believe in Bible and accept same sex coition or marriage.
Beginning with Genesis 1:27-28 Christians are taught that God created man (Adam) in his own image. Thereafter, in Genesis 2: 20-24 Christians are taught that although Adam was in control of all animals and birds of heaven he had no suitable helper. Hence, God made Adam to fall into deep sleep whereby He removed one of Adam's ribs and created a Eve (a woman) with it to keep the company of Adam. And God brought her to Adam who retorted, "This one at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh! She is to be called a woman because she was taken from a man." For that sake shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. It is self-explanatory why God did not create a man with the ribs he extracted from Adam because He did not want bone to bone and moreover, that would have countered His desire that mankind should proliferate and spread over the earth. God never created homosexuals or Lesbians which is why in the Bible the male gender is referred to as man, husband and father while the female gender is referred to as woman, wife and mother.
Of course, same sex coition is referred to as unnatural in the Bible which in Leviticus 18: 22 reads, "Thou shall not lie with mankind as one lies with womankind. It is an abomination." Further in Leviticus 20:13 the Christian believers are told, "If a man lies with a mankind as he lies with a womankind, both of them have committed abomination, they shall surely be put to death, their blood shall be upon them." The righteous Western World who want to enforce same sex marriage on Africa should first withdraw all Bibles from circulation and revise it to include the ninth Beatitude, Blessed are the people who engage in same sex coition, for they shall inherit the kingdom of God. This is even more compelling as the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 specifically listed homosexuals among offenders that will not inherit the Kingdom of God thus, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived : neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor ABUSERS of themselves with MANKIND, (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." In the book of Revelation 21 : 8 & 27 Christian believers are unequivocally told that the homosexuals "shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." These are the teachings from the Bible which all Christians must believe.George Olusola Ajibade would like to make us believe that homosexuality predated the advent of Europeans and, indeed, Christianity in Africa. He premised his assertion among others on his own Yoruba invented expression, Ó ranjú kankan bí ojú adófùrò, which he translated to, he strains his eye bulbs like a man fucking anus. But ADÓFÙRÒ is not a Yoruba name for homosexuality as it only describes the action of one person, that is, the penetrator and not the penetrated. And if a man engages in anal intercourse with a woman, should the practice be called homosexual or heterosexual? Even if we accept ADÓFÙRÒ as a Yoruba name for homosexuality, it cannot imply that homosexual practice existed among Yorubas before the advent of Europeans. The Yoruba word for television is A-MÓHÙN-MÀWÒRÁN, translated to sound and picture recorder and yet there were no televisions in Nigeria (Africa) before the arrival of Europeans. We sing, talk and eat with the mouth in Africa, but in the Swedish Journal of Social Medicine No. 9-10, page 485, 1993, a Professor of Social Anthropology at Lund University, Kajsa Ekholm Friedman, wrote, "A man (Congolese) who has just returned from France after a long stay there wanted to practice oral-sex on his wife. The wife drew the attention of neighbours to the husband's abnormal behaviour leading to the community trial of the husband. He was asked why he wanted to eat up his wife's private part. There he stood with tears running down his cheeks, he tried to explain before a dumbfounded audience." Before writing this, the Professor stated that "it was remarkable that most of the perversions we (Swedes) practise are mainly non-existing in the Congo. Very soon, some learned Africans would tell us that there were oral-sex practitioners in Africa before our contacts with Europe.S.Kadiri
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:35:16 +0100
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Original Sin (Poem)
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To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com Chidi, IBK:They are five Satanic verses......but for now, "we know in parts...."And there you have it.Bolaji AlukoShaking his headOn Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk...@gmail.com> wrote:Brilliant. Your erotic rendition took excessive poetic licence. God created Adam first, so Eve could not law claim or ownership to Eden. She did not exist.Adam had his own sex stick. The serpent had its own too. Can they be the same? Methinks not! The serpent as teacher is a version closer to the factual sequence. Perhaps the rib of Adam stopped him from feeling and its removal made him feel again.All said and done a brilliant erotic piece!Cheers.IBKOn 5 April 2016 at 13:14, Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:By Chidi Anthony Opara
The gate of Eve's eden
Opened.
Eve's eden fascinated Adam
And fascinated the Serpent.
The Serpent
Crawled to the entrance
And inserted its sex stick
Into the open eden,
Twisting the sex stick
Like the sex stick
Of a sex starved lover,
Its eyes rolling in pleasure.
Eve moaned in pleasure,
Adam watched with pleasure
And learned.
The Serpent withdrew,
Leaving Eve
At the edge of orgasm.
Eve beckoned,
Adam brought her
To the pleasure of orgasm.
From the sky
A stern voice said;
"You have sinned,
Eve's eden not for pleasure,
Tis for bringing forth flowers.
This sin will be called;
The original sin."
(Poem presented as social service, all rights reserved).
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