Thanks Sbaba. This is more like it.
GSM
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On Tue, 5/24/16, Olukayode Soremekun <nikesohe@hotmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the Matter of What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One {Re: Buhari Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta – UK
To: "Mobolaji Aluko" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>, "USAAfrica Dialogue" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2016, 9:10 AM
Folks,
We need to understand that this 'Niger Delta' term
that we use as if someone just coined it out of nothing is
strictly a description of a structural basin created by a
series of geological activities that have occurred over time
at the mouth of River Niger
hence the name Niger Delta.
We therefore cannot simply limit the term to a few states.
In the same manner we cannot include any state outside
the geological formation. The phenomenon of a delta has its
beginnings and it's boundaries. The end cannot be
determined as it may continue to
build on.
Now to address the point of the anonymous tipster: it is
incredible not to have at least included Akwa Ibom State,
the largest oil/gas producer in his/her list. Of course
the Niger Delta goes way beyond the States he mentioned.
He/she also aluded to a confusion
arising from the naming of the NDDC. The NDDC to my mind is
aptly named as all the areas covered by its activities are
restricted to areas within the geological Niger
Delta.
Anyway, I submit that it is erroneous to use the term Niger
Delta and exclude state and areas where the formations from
where oil/gas are produced belong to the same geological
dynamics that created the delta.
To GSM, Anambra, which is principally a gas zone, is not
part of the geological structure of the Niger Delta. It
belongs to the Anambra Basin which is older than the Niger
Delta. Likewise Lagos does not belong to the Niger Delta
Basin. The basin in which oil
is found in Lagos is the Dahomey Basin, a geological
structure very far from the Niger Delta. Both the Anambra
and Dahomey Basins are older than the Niger Delta
Basin.
Finally it will help if we consider as follows (and please
we need to picture this): the sediments of the Niger Delta
from which oil and gas is produced underlie parts of Cross
River, Akwa Ibom, Abia, Imo, Delta, Edo and Ondo States
while it completely underlies
Rivers and Bayelsa States (at least to the depths drilled
as at today).
Thanks
Sbaba
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Mobolaji Aluko
Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2016 07:36
To: USAAfrica Dialogue
Reply To:
usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the
Matter of What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One
{Re: Buhari Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta –
UK
Godwin Maduabuchi Okeke:
Maybe this will help, from an "anonymous"
tipster::
QUOTE
Methinks Niger Delta is
indeed South-South consisting of Bayelsa, Rivers and
Delta. Confusion comes from the interpretation of Niger
Delta Development Commission (NDDC) that
has delineated 9 states as their Niger Delta region that
should be granted special development program. NDDC should
really be Niger Delta and Oil Producing States Development
Commission. Someone should coin out some acronym for
this.
And there you have
it!
UNQUOTE
Otherwise, I cannot help you any further
Bolaji Aluko
On Mon, May 23, 2016
at 7:01 PM, 'Godwin Okeke' via USA Africa Dialogue
Series
<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
No Prof, I cannot give you any space jowo. You are the one
confusing issues. The simple question is; Is Anambra state
part of the old Eastern region? Ofcourse, yes. Is the Niger
Delta part of the old Eastern region? Ofcourse yes. Is Ondo
state part of the old
Eastern region where the Niger Delta was domiciled?
Ofcourse NO! So how come it has now been smuggled in as part
of the Niger Delta? I believe you know what you're
doing. As per been a wordsmith or not, I know you're
being diversionary. Moreover, I don't respond
to insults from elders, especially in this forum. Your
dragging in oil producing states in this matter is only
being evasive. Again the explanation in reference to the
Nigerian constitution does not explain that either. You have
only fetched ant-infested firewood.
So please admit the error and let's move on, otherwise
I will have no other option than to believe you're out
for some mischief.
GSM
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/23/16, Mobolaji Aluko
<alukome@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the Matter of
What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One {Re: Buhari
Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta – UK
To: "USAAfrica Dialogue" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2016, 2:01 PM
Godwin Okeke:
Please do not confuse
"oil-producing states" with so-called
"Niger-Delta" or even "South-South"
regions. Anambra and Lagos are now
"oil-producing
states" - however little they may be producing for
now
- as Borno (and my Ekiti) will be if and when oil is
discovered in the Chad Basin (and Ode Basin).
Until then, give us space,
biko....
And there you
have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at
1:45 PM, 'Godwin Okeke' via USA Africa Dialogue
Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Thanks
Shaba, for your intervention. But the question has still
not
been answered, because, if the Niger Delta was part of
the
old Eastern region, which Ondo was not, how come Ondo is
now
part of the Niger Delta? And according to your
intervention,
Anambra state (a core Eastern state, and part of the
old
Eastern region) where hydrocarbon has been discovered
is
not?. Is there any document where a change in the
original
meaning of Niger Delta was altered? Or could this be
another
politics of boundary adjustment? Or something else?
GSM
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/23/16, Olukayode Soremekun <nikesohe@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the Matter
of
What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One {Re:
Buhari
Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta – UK
To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com"
<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2016, 8:54 AM
Dear GSM,
I have a contribution to make on the issue you have
highlighted. First off, it is pertinent that I state
that
I
am not holding brief for Bolaji.
It is my belief that Bolaji was highlighting the
states
of
the Niger Delta in which he was actively involved in
the
past five years and not stating that the Niger Delta
had
only four states.
I do agree that the statement - "As you are
fully
aware, I spent
early 2011 to early 2016 living in Bayelsa State,
starting
a
new federal university, and traveling several times
between the four Niger-Delta region of Bayelsa,
Rivers,
Delta and Ondo states" - might be taken to mean
that the Niger Delta is constituted of only the four
mentioned states. For most, if not all, on this forum
I
am
certain that it is known that the ND goes beyond the
four
states.
However, my understanding of the term 'Niger
Delta'
is geological. It has come to also wear a robe of
geo-political identification. If it is accepted that
it
is
the geological term that best defines the Niger Delta
then
nine states clearly stand to be so described -
Cross River
Akwa Ibom
Rivers
Imo
Abia
Bayelsa
Delta
Ondo
Edo
Geo-politically the South South region had usually
been
taken as synonymous to the Niger Delta. This is
erroneous.
Ondo (SW) and Cross River (SS) States bound the ND in
its western and eastern extremities respectively
while
Abia
(SE) and Imo (SE) 'provide' its
northern boundary.
Note that some hydrocarbons have been found in
Anambra
State. Geologically, the make up of the sediments in
which
the hydrocarbons in Anambra are found may not fall
within
the formation age of the Niger Delta. I am not able
to
attribute the formation from which these hydrocarbons
are
found as I do not have information on this.
Concluding therefore, all the nine states listed
above
constitute the ND.
Thanks.
Sbaba
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:14:25 +0000
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the
Matter
of What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One
{Re:
Buhari Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta –
UK
>
> Dear Prof Aluko,
> I'm still waiting for clarification of your
posting
on the Niger Delta.... It will do this list serve a
great
good to clarify what constitutes the Niger Delta,
otherwise
it would be irresponsible to mislead people in this
forum.
> GSM
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 5/19/16, 'Godwin Okeke' via USA
Africa
Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On
the
Matter of What is to be Done in the Niger-Delta -
Part
One
{Re: Buhari Needs To Address Grievances In Niger
Delta
–
UK
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2016, 12:21 PM
>
> Prof. Sir,
> The Niger Delta region being referred to was
part
of
the old
> Eastern region, and Ondo state was not part of
it.
Please,
> when was this map redrawn? Are the states
mentioned
by
you
> the only states that presently constitute the
Niger
Delta in
> your own thinking?
> GSM
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/18/16, Mobolaji Aluko
<alukome@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - On the
Matter
of What
> is to be Done in the Niger-Delta - Part One
{Re:
Buhari
> Needs To Address Grievances In Niger Delta –
UK
> To: "africanworldforum@googlegroups.com"
> <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>,
> "Joseph Igietseme"
<jigietseme@gmail.com>,
> "Igietseme, Joseph
(CDC/CCID/NCPDCID)"
<jbi8@cdc.gov>,
> "USAAfrica Dialogue"
<USAAfricaDialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: "Stevek" <stevek940@yahoo.com>,
> "NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com"
> <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com>,
> "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com"
> <nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com>,
> "naijaintellects"
<naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>,
> "Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com"
> <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>,
> "Nigerian ID"
<NigeriaNID@yahoogroups.com>,
> "Odua" <omoodua@yahoogroups.com>,
> "yanarewa@yahoogroups.com"
> <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 6:50 PM
>
>
>
> Joe
> Igietseme:
> As you are
> fully aware, I spent early 2011 to early
2016
living
in
> Bayelsa State, starting a new federal
university,
and
> traveling several times between the four
Niger-Delta
> region
> of Bayelsa, Rivers, Delta and Ondo states.
Before 2011,
> I
> was extremely critical of Niger-Delta
leadership,
based
> largely on the gap that I felt between
published
revenues
> to
> the state governments (RELATIVE to other
non-ND
states)
> and
> reported progress on the ground.....the
archives
will
show
> those criticisms of mine, and some of the
flak
I
received
> from ND indigenes on these many forums -
some
names
come
> to
> mind - some with even all kinds of threats
and
> epithets.
> Having now
> lived in the ND, my criticisms of the state
governments
> there are EVEN more dire - most have
abdicated
their
> primary
> responsibilities in favor of raw politics.
But
now I
> also
> am aware that there is a major SOCIOLOGICAL
problem
in
> MOST
> of the communities BELOW that leadership
that
makes
the
> problems there even MORE INTRACTABLE. It
reminds me of a
> drowning person: that person MUST
cooperate
with you in
> the rescue, lest BOTH of you drown.
> I will have much more to write at
> some point, but here are a few pointers:
> (1) the Elders and most
> educated in the ND communities have been
pushed
aside
in
> the
> main, under accusation that they sold out in
the
past.
> So,
> to save their lives and dignities, most
often
they
just
> step
> aside and watch, in deference to
> (2) the Younger and least
> educated ACTIVISTS (Youth wings, Community
Development
> Committees, etc.) in those communities, most
of
them
thugs
> and simply completely un-educated, and given
to
both
> intimidation and money-seeking. Completely
unreasonable
> roadblocks are put even in activities that
will
benefit
> the
> community.
> (3)
> the general communities that are victims
of
both
> government neglect and community activist
deceit,
coupled
> with a sense of ENTITLEMENT without
RESPONSIBILITY
that is
> immeasurably immature.
>
> Let me
> stop here for now, but my point is that there
is
a
lot of
> soul-searching to be done in the Niger-Delta
if
anything
> is
> to change soon - and before Buhari is called
> in.
> And there you have
> it.
>
>
> Bolaji
> Aluko
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at
> 4:22 PM, Joseph Igietseme
<jigietseme@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Stevek,You cannot mix up all these issues
you
alluded
> to below;First, JUI hopes he did not
misunderstand
you
> below; but if you believe [or harbor the
slightest
notion]
> that there is no legitimate Niger-Delta
socioeconomic
> justice agitation or environmental issue
that
has
> escalated
> into crisis, you must live in Mars! Even the
international
> community has independently verified the
situation
and
> crisis in the Niger Delta. Or are you
suggesting
that
we
> should be in Iraq, Somalia, Maiduguri, Syria
or
> Afghanistan
> before we can accept that the issues and
crises
there
are
> legit? Na wa for you oo!Secondly, JUI
believes
that
a
> more close engagement of the Niger Delta
people
by
the
> Feds
> [borrowing a leaf from late Prez
Yar'Adua's
> play-book], rather than this military
intimidation
tactic,
> will reveal to the people and communities
that
the
Fed
> Govt
> is already taking care of them through the
13%
derivation
> and establishment of the Niger Delta
ministry;
these
> people should be closely monitored for how
they
spend
that
> money in community development,
environmental
clean-ups,
> and
> people's empowerment. These are very
measurable
> parameters.Lastly, JUI thinks you should be
more
> reflective
> in your interactions on this forum by now;
doing
the
same
> Injan-kiri day-and-nite, by finding out what
is
wrong
in
> other people, rather than telling us what
you
believe
is
> right, has caused too much distractions on
this
forum. We
> should do better as we age and acquire
wisdom!
Take
care.
>
JUI---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Wed,
> May 18, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Stevek
<stevek940@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> "You cannot go and
> intimidate a man in his compound because he
wants
> socioeconomic justice for the economic
exploitation
of his
> compound and the survival environment."
-
> JUI
> JUI,
> You have good intentions but you miss issues
> by a country mile.
> What socioeconomic justice
> are you talking about? What is the favored
13%
favored
> derivation for the SS states about about?
How
much of
that
> gets to these people that you think are
destroying
federal
> government property and polluting the
environment
for
all
> in
> the region for 'socioeconomic justice
for
the
economic
> exploitation'?
> First, how do you know that these miscreants
> are doing the damage they are doing to their
own
> neighborhood and country for the reasons you
have
stated?
> In
> fact, how do you even know that they are
N'Delta
> indigenes?
> Please, don't be like
> that Pronto!!! 'eye doctor' who
diagnoses
people
> from a distance for unknown ailments just
because
he
wants
> to sabotage the Buhari administration in
order
for
the
> Ebelechukwu to come back and restore his
cancelled
> illegal
> contracts, claiming he is familiar with the
aspirations of
> the N'Deltan just because he roamed
about
there
for a
> little while 30 years ago!
>
> StevekMitchellville,
> MarylandThe most dangerous trend in the
> world today is the growing awareness of the
common
man
> - Zbigniew Brzezinsky
> 1978A wise man proportions his beliefs with
> evidence
> - David Hume
>
>
>
> From:
> "Joseph Igietseme JIGIETSEME@GMAIL.COM
> [NigerianID]"
<NigerianID-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: "Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com"
> <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>;
> "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com"
> <nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com>;
> African GM
<africanworldforum@googlegroups.com>;
> "NaijaPolitics@yahoogroups.com"
> <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com>;
> Nigerian ID <NigeriaNID@yahoogroups.com>;
> "edo_global@yahoogroups.com"
> <edo_global@yahoogroups.com>;
> "OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups.com"
> <OKONKWONETWORKS@googlegroups.com>;
> Odua <omoodua@yahoogroups.com>;
> FORUM IGBO WORLD FORUM IGBO WORLD
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>
> Cc: "EKITIPEOPLESVOICE@yahoogroups.com"
> <EKITIPEOPLESVOICE@yahoogroups.com>;
> "yanarewa@yahoogroups.com"
> <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>;
> Naija Observer
<NaijaObserver@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 16,
> 2016 12:16 AM
> Subject: NigerianID |
> Re: [Raayiriga] Buhari Needs To Address
Grievances
In
> Niger
> Delta – UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JUI will like to
ENDORSE the
> advice and
> cautionary note being sounded by
the British
Foreign
> Minister, Philip Hammond, on the brewing
crisis
in
the
> Niger
> Delta. You cannot go and intimidate a man in
his
compound
> because he wants socioeconomic justice for
the
economic
> exploitation of his compound and the
survival
environment.
> In fact, like Yar'Adua did, Buhari
> should:1.
> Take an audit of the progress made in the
Marshall
Plan
> for
> the Niger Delta since 2008 when Yar'Adua
signed
an
> accord that was implemented by Jonathan; the
accord
> covered
> community development, environmental
clean-ups,
and
> education/welfare and human capital
> development; 2. Find out if new or old
militants
are
> involved
> in these new attacks in the Niger Delta, and
who
the
new
> leaders are; 3. Investigate whether the new
leaders and
> groups have legitimate claims vis-a-vis the
previous
> issues
> in the Niger Delta that should have been
tackled
> significantly by now.
> Again, the saying that "a
> stitch in time, saves nine" should be
the
right
path of
> wisdom in handling these brewing terror
wahallas
in
any
> society. Take care.
>
JUI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On
> Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Idowu Awosika
idowubobo@gmail.com
> [Raayiriga] <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
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>
>
> Buhari Needs To
> Address Grievances In Niger Delta –
UKChannels
> Television. Updated May 15,
> 2016 The swamps of the southern Niger
> Delta have been hit by a series of attacks
on
pipelines
> and
> other oil and gas facilities that have
reduced
Nigeria's
> output by 300,000 barrels a day, closed a
major
export
> port
> and two refineries.
> Nigeria has moved in army
> reinforcements to hunt the militants but
British
Foreign
> Minister, Philip Hammond, said that Buhari
needs
to
the
> deal
> with the root causes because a military
confrontation
> could
> end in "disaster".
> Crude sales from the Delta account
> for 70 percent of national income in
Africa's
biggest
> economy but residents, some of whom
sympathize
with
the
> militants, have long complained of poverty.
> "It's obviously a major
> concern," Hammond told reporters on the
sidelines
of a
> regional security conference in Abuja when
asked
about the
> situation.
> "The idea
> that your answer is by moving big chunks of
the
Nigerian
> Army to the Delta simply doesn't work,"
he
said,
> adding
> that the Army did not have the capacity
while
fighting
> Boko
> Haram jihadists in the north. "It won't
deal
with
the
> underlying issues."
> "Buhari has got to show as a
> president from the north that he is not
ignoring
the
> Delta,
> that he is engaging with the challenges in
the
Delta,"
> Hammond said.
> Buhari
> is a Muslim from the north who has not
visited
the
> Christian
> Delta since taking office a year ago,
something
> highlighted
> by a militant group, the Niger Delta
Avengers,
which
has
> claimed a string of attacks on pipelines.
> The group has warned oil firms to
> leave the region within two weeks and says
it
is
fighting
> for independence for the Delta. It has said
it
wanted
a
> greater share of oil revenues and an end to
oil
> pollution.
> The attacks
> have driven Nigerian oil output to near a
22-year
low
and,
> if the violence escalates into another
insurgency,
it
> could
> cripple output in a country facing a growing
economic
> crisis.
> Buhari, who
> has not commented about not visiting the
Delta,
has
> extended
> a multi-million dollar amnesty signed with
militants
in
> 2009
> but upset them by ending generous pipeline
protection
> contracts. He also cut the amnesty budget by
around
70
> percent, which partly funds training for
> unemployed.
>
>
> Pronto!!!
>
> Idowu
> "Rebellion
> to tyrants is obedience to God."
--Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> "There
> may be times when we are powerless to
prevent
injustice,
> but
> there must never be a time when we fail to
protest." --
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