--Bitrus Gwanma:Long time - you pop up so episodically! :-)Anyways, dan duruiwas (if it really means SOB) and bullies should sometimes be "followed to the gutter",thoroughly rubbed into the contents of that gutter, but then left there permanently, with the gutter covered up.You then clean yourself thereafter, and deodorize.When you are too gentlemanly with SOBs and bullies, they grow wings and never change their habits. Ultimately, deep down, they are cowards...Nebukadineze Adiele - not his parent-given name; one of the ghosts that pollute our Naija forums and write in pseudonym, as one of their "free speech" exercises - is a prime example.And there you have it.Bolaji AlukoOn Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Bitrus Gwamna <bgwamna@gmail.com> wrote:--Bolaji: You are above calling someone by that name danduriuwa (SOB) Please don't follow him to the gutter.
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: : [Naijaintellects]: Chinakwe, Alhaji Buhari & the dog: STAR RE-ITERATION: Real reason we charged man who named his dog "Buhari" to court -– Police {Re: [africanworldforum] More on Man Naming dog "Buhari"
dan duriuwa Nebukadineze Adiele:
I do not know what "dan duriuwa" means - and I have no Hausa speaker nearby to translate (possibly) pornography - but I have prefixed your name above by the description, so if it is good or bad, I am paying you back in your own coins.
Evens stevens.....we have both expressed our Free Speech rights.
Sai gobe, dan duriuwa Nebukadineze Adiele! Kana jin harshen?
Mallam Bolaji Aluko
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:25 PM, 'Nebukadineze Adiele' via naijaintellects <naijaintellects@googlegroups.
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If you understood how galling your sycophantic displaying of dishonesty is received by decent people, you would be a better human being by ceasing it.
I usually don't speak this way but I must make an exception now and speak it: you are what Awusa folks call dan duriuwa -- ask Hausa speakers what Americans call that.
Nebukadineze Adiele
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Subject: [Naijaintellects] Re: Chinakwe, Alhaji Buhari & the dog: Re: STAR RE-ITERATION: Real reason we charged man who named his dog "Buhari" to court -– Police {Re: [africanworldforum] More on Man Naming dog "Buhari"
Chiwuikem:
There are actually four groups of people having these discussions about Chinakwe, Buhari, and the dog:
1. Those who see the aggriever's name as "Chinakwe", and feel it a duty to defend him, because it is an Igbo name. These are the ones who believe that all attacking Chinakwe are "Igbo haters."
2. Those who see the aggriever's action as pricking the eye of their political foe, Buhari: whether it is the neighbor's Buhari or President Buhari, and are taking secret delight in the "satire." They are the ones who believe that anybody attacking Chinakwe are doing so because they see President as a demi-god.
3. Those who are enamored about the "western democracy" notion of Free Speech, and believe that "by definition", it should not be abridged by any means necessary. They are the ones who see anybody who does not believe in unlimited Free Speech as barbarian autocrats, uncivilized.
4. Those of us who believe that while there is in the law books of Nigeria a charge called "possibility of the breach of peace", then a citizen can complain that a particular "free speech" exercise is not really "free" but "common", and hence requests redress in the law courts. I for one see the first group as paranoid schizophrenic; the second group as wickedly partisan; the third group as anarchists.
We have all exercised our rights of Free Speech, where no Public Peace has been breached.
So there are ethnicists, partisans, wide-eyed democrats and rule-of-law advocates at the barricades here, including yourself who, like me, may also be a pandering, educated fool.
By the way, if Chinakwe named his house "Buhari", he would have to get permission from "Buhari" (whoever that might be) I would permit an elaborate edifice to be named after me, but not a shit-house.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Chiwuikem Ihediwa <chiwuikem@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is the problem with Nigeria when educated men starts pandering to foolishness. It would have been the duty of the police to educate Mr. Buhari and not to pander or gratify his foolishness. Here too Professors Bulaji, Ayo and others are dancing, tweaking out of shape, bending over for foolishness, trying to convince us that Mr. Chinakwe does not have the right to name his dog, goat, wife, child, father or any thing of his what he decides to name them.Supposing it was a house that he named Buhari, would we be discussing this?
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Subject: Re: Chinakwe, Alhaji Buhari & the dog: Re: STAR RE-ITERATION: Real reason we charged man who named his dog "Buhari" to court -– Police {Re: [africanworldforum] More on Man Naming dog "Buhari"
This posting is even more sorry arguing that the Buhari harmed is not the President but an ordinary citizen.
Again, this is not the point - the personality involved is completely irrelevant. This is what we are saying, regardless of whether he named his dog Buhari after the president with another Buhari located in the same neighborhood as Chinakwe where he paraded "... the dog with swagger amongst his neighbours and/ traders who are mostly northerners," is a moot point, meaning his right to name his own property, dog, any name he wants is fundamental HUMAN RIGHTS which transforms "protected speech" and "civil rights".
Stay tuned! We have teaching to do. Iguade
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On Aug 30, 2016, at 1:31 AM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroups.com > wrote:" . . . . the case, as it was erroneously perceived, has nothing to do with the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, President Muhammadu Buhari, but with one Alhaji Buhari, the biological father of the complainant, Alhaji Halilu Umar, all of Ketere Area, Sango Ota in Ado Odo Otta Local Government Area of Ogun State.
". . . it's fundamental to state that the man was not charged to court for christening his dog Buhari, but for the behaviours of the suspect and circumstances surrounding the matter when Mr. Joe, who had been having conflicts with his neighbour, (complainant) named his dog Buhari, his neighbour's father's name, inscribed Buhari on both sides of the said dog, and started parading the dog with swagger amongst his neighbours and/ traders who are mostly northerners,
"The said Joe was actually attacked by the people around for his action before he was rescued by the police. The timely intervention of the police prevented a crisis or inter-tribal crisis in the area.
Ayo Ojutalayo
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Subject: STAR RE-ITERATION: Real reason we charged man who named his dog "Buhari" to court -– Police {Re: [africanworldforum] More on Man Naming dog "Buhari"
Real reason we charged man who named his dog "Buhari" to court -– Police
The police on Monday decried public comments linking President Muhammadu Buhari with the ongoing saga over a dog named "Buhari" in Ogun State.
A 40-year old trader, Joe Chinakwe, was recently arrested and arraigned in court for allegedly naming his dog "Buhari." He has since been granted bail.
Some members of the public have however associated the president with the matter.
The Ogun State Police Command and Zone 2 Police Command, in separate statements, said series of uncomplimentary remarks against the president over the case were uncalled for.
In the statement by the Zonal Public Relations Officer, Muyiwa Adejobi, the police said the matter was grossly misconstrued, explaining that the president has nothing to do with it as it was erroneously perceived.
The police explained that the case before it showed that one Alhaji Buhari, the father of the complainant, Haliru Umar, both of who live in Ketere Area of Sango Ota in Ado/Odo-Ota LGA of the state, were involved.
The statement said, "The attention of the Assistant Inspector-General of Police in charge of Zone 2 Command, Lagos, AIG Abdulmajid Ali, has been drawn to series of uncomplimentary comments and publications in respect of the case of a man, Joe Chinakwe, who was arrested and charged to court by the Ogun State Police Command for naming his dog "Buhari" and wishes to state categorically that the matter was grossly misconstrued.
"The Zonal Command wishes to clarify and set the records straight that the case, as it was erroneously perceived, has nothing to do with the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, President Muhammadu Buhari, but with one Alhaji Buhari, the biological father of the complainant, Alhaji Halilu Umar, all of Ketere Area, Sango Ota in Ado Odo Otta Local Government Area of Ogun State.
The police explained that Mr. Chinakwe was not charged to court for naming his dog "Buhari" but for his behaviour and that the suspect had been having conflicts with Mr. Umar, which made him to name his dog after the latter's father.
"Also, it's fundamental to state that the man was not charged to court for christening his dog Buhari, but for the behaviours of the suspect and circumstances surrounding the matter when Mr. Joe, who had been having conflicts with his neighbour, (complainant) named his dog Buhari, his neighbour's father's name, inscribed Buhari on both sides of the said dog, and started parading the dog with swagger amongst his neighbours and/ traders who are mostly northerners," the statement added.
"The said Joe was actually attacked by the people around for his action before he was rescued by the police. The timely intervention of the police prevented a crisis or inter-tribal crisis in the area.
The zonal police command called for the understanding of members of the public on Mr. Chinakwe's action, which it said was capable of causing a breach of public peace.
It said the suspect was charged under section 249(d) of the Criminal Code.
"The Assistant Inspector-General of Police in charge of Zone 2 Lagos, AIG Absulmajid Ali, appeals to the general public to understand the action of the police in the matter, which is in consonance with the primary duties of the Nigeria Police Force as enshrined in the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and accept it as a professional way of preventing total breakdown of law and order," the statement said.
On its part, the Ogun State Police Command, in a statement by its spokesperson, Abimbola Oyeyemi, also said the president had no connection with the matter.
"The attention of Ogun State Police Command has been drawn to a story in some section of the media regarding the case of Joachim Iroko who named his dog Buhari and was subsequently arrested and charged to court," the police command said.
It said Mr. Umar reported the matter at the Sango Police Station to report claiming that Mr. Chinakwe provoked him by inscribing his father's name 'Buhari' on both sides of his dog knowing fully well that it was his father's name.
"The suspect was invited and he did not deny the allegation. All efforts to resolve the matter amicably between the two parties proved futile and it was about to degenerate to a serious crisis within the area, hence, the command took a proactive step by charging the case to court in order to avert unnecessary blood shedding," the statement said.
"The command wants to make it clear to members of the public that the case has nothing to do with the President as some media are painting it to be. It is a clear case between the complainant and the suspect whose action was seen as one that is likely to cause breach of peace."
The state police command said it was its duty to protect life and property, as well as to guard against anything that could lead to the breakdown of law and order "which is exactly we did in this case."
---- END
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alukome@gmail.com> wrote:
Wilson Iguade:
You are an interesting fellow...
Even before I knew that a dog had been allegedly killed, here is what I wrote:
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Since it is NOT a crime for LT&L to make such a report, and since they are behaving as responsible citizens in not taking the law into their hands (like killing the dog and/or Chinakwe, for example, for which they should be punished even more severely than Chinakwe).......
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So you can see that I do not subscribe to the dog being killed, since it did not name itself....and that is takiing the law into one's hand....
But after the dog has been killed, a complaint has to be lodged by the dog owner - killing a dog per se is not a crime....it could be for food, for example - whereupon prosecution for a felony of destruction of property can be made.
And who knows....this dog might have died coincidentally to all of these events....Chinakwe will have to find and sue whoever did the killing otherwise....
Moving on.....
As to my "excitiment", outside of religion, nothing excites me more than a discussion of the position of the individual in the society comprising of individuals, because that discussion defines ALL laws that regulate society. If you think of each human being as a pebble in water, and his interest as radiating waves, I am always interested in the interaction of those waves, and how far they must go or be inhibited for there to be order in society.
Best wishes always. Again, I am moving on.
Bolaji Aluko
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Wilson Iguade <iguade@hotmail.com> wrote:
VC Aluko,
Your excitement about this matter is disturbing to say the least. Therefore, I have some questions to demonstrate my concerns.
Can you tell us why those that killed the dog are not being prosecuted?
Does any single Nigerian have the rights to DESTROY another Nigerian property? (As I understand below, some individuals came over and killed this dog, just because the owner named his dog "Buhari")
VC Aluko, mak you walk softly o! Because, you are not helping, your fans are puking to see you fan this flame of discord. No one has the right to kill the dog or jail this person merely for naming a dog "Buhari". This is not the fight for you, bro!
Stay tuned! God has instructed me to teach! Iguade
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On Aug 24, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Mobolaji Aluko <alukome@gmail.com> wrote:
Afis Deinde:
Please read the interview below, and see why one thing may lead to another - and before you know, a large-scale "kata-kata" can occur.....
Bolaji Aluko
Dog named Buhari: Northerners in my community ganged up, killed my dog
He did not envisage what befell him penultimate Saturday, after coming back to his house in Sango-Ota area of Ogun State. Joe Fortemose Chinakwe, 40, a trader, said he was relaxing with his family when one of his neighbours from Niger Republic accosted him and demanded why he named his pet dog 'Buhari'.
Before he knew what was happening, friends of the foreigner also burst into his house and were threatening to deal with him if he failed to give a reasonable explanation.
At this stage, some neighbours intervened and they all ended up at Sango-Ota police station where he was detained for two days before being transferred to the state Police headquarters at Eleweran in handcuff and chain. He was let off the third day after the swift intervention of both the Serikin Hausa and President-General of non-indigenes in the state.
The embattled trader from Okwuzu in Aniocha Local government Area of Delta State said he was traumatized by the incident and still feels so bad especially, when he noticed that his 'lovely dog, Buhari', has disappeared mysteriously after he regained freedom. The father of two bared his mind to our Crime Editor, Emma Nnadozie at Sango-Ota.
Excerpts:
The embattled trader, Chinakwe."I am Joe Fortemose Chinakwe from Okwuzu in Aniocha L.G.A, Delta state. I trade on second hand clothes popularly known as Okrika. I have a dog for the past one year. I named the dog Bully after buying it because it is very strong and moves fast. I have been living here since 2001. I reside in a place called Petere in Sango here. I love the dog so much that's why I renamed it Buhari."
Why did you choose the name Buhari
I named it Buhari because I found out that the dog is strong. After buying the dog, I named it Bully because of the way it behaved. I decided to change it to Buhari because Buhari, being a military man, the same time, coming back for the second time as a civilian President, he stands on his word.
That is how my dog stands on his actions. So, I love the name so much and as such decided to give it to my dog. I was very surprised how a foreigner who lives around here came and said his father's name was Alhaji Buhari. I have no business with and he went ahead to tell the police. They came to me that night and I was arrested.
Which day was that?
That was on Saturday at exactly 8,30pm. They got me arrested and our neighbours pleaded on my behalf but they insisted on taking me to the station. People were questioning the policeman why I should be arrested over such a trivial issue and gave examples of dogs in the vicinity that bear names of influential and powerful people like Obama, Clinton etc but, the policeman decided to take law into his hand and arrested me.
Even my senior brother has a dog named Obama. One young man called Sunday was also arrested for questioning the police man who was later identified as Sergeant Musa, attached to Sango Police station. When we got to the station, he told me to bring the dog along. I agreed and went to bring the dog. Before I could get home, the Northern community in our area ganged up and killed my dog.
They did?
Yes, they killed the dog and I am still searching for the dog. I can forgive anything but that dog in particular, I cannot take it lightly because it is what secures me and I loved it so much.
Are you sure you are not the one that killed your dog?
No, I left my dog in the house alive and went with the policeman to Sango Police station
What happened at the Police station?
They intimidated me and I told them that it is my right to name my dog whatever I wished. My former dog bore the same name with me. Unfortunately, a car killed it. I called it Iroko because Iroko is also my name. I love strong dogs and that's why I decided to buy this one and named it Bully before changing it to Buhari. After intimidating me that very night, they locked me up in a cell with criminals.
I stayed and slept there on Saturday and Sunday. My wife, a pregnant woman with my baby on her back, came to see me with food because I had not taken my dinner when they arrested me but, they stopped her from giving me food. What baffled me much is that the policeman said that the Igbos have fowl brain. I asked him why he said such about the Igbo community when he should only be referring to me and as such, it is not a tribal problem.
He said he had been handling Igbo cases and that they are foolish and have fowl brains and, that I would rot in jail. He said I should watch. I was surprised when they took me to the Divisional Police Officer, instead of listening attentively to me; he directed that they should throw me into the cell. On Monday morning, my case was transferred. The case was moved to Eleweran.
After much interrogation, they chained me and my colleague who came to see me and put us in the van in handcuffs. We all went to Eleweran. When we got there, many policemen were not happy with them for bringing us there. The CP came on Tuesday with the Serikin Hausa and the President of non-Indigenes and other prominent people. We were told not to take it seriously because we are one Nigeria. I was told to forget it all. I was released.
How come you boldly wrote Buhari on both the sides of the dog?
The dog is a hero and I did it. I shaved his hairs and wrote it.
Did you do it to spite the President?
No. no. no. everybody knows that Mr President is a hero. It is not easy to be a military man and rule a civilian government. Everyone can attest to how many times this man has attempted to become the civilian president but because he is a man that has vision, he made it at long last. . In fact, he is a man that inspires people. He is a role model.
Are you comfortable with the situation of things in the country now?
Yes, he is fighting corruption. Not that I am comfortable with the things happening in the country now but I like the war against corruption. The only problem is that we, the less privileged ones, find it difficult to eat. As he is fighting corruption, he should remember the less privileged.
The guy from Niger, what does he do?
He works in a public toilet. My dog stays in my parking store, he does not move around. He ensures my security.
How did he know you call your dog Buhari?
He said that someone told him and he came around and saw it. A friend of my mine named Peter gave that dog to me. I am not happy I lost that dog. The Northerners in my area came together and killed my dog.
So, after all said and done at Eleweran, did they apologize to you?
Yes, they did but it was obvious to me that it did not come from their heart of hearts. One of them even claimed he went to my house that morning to apologize to my wife
Are you still living in the same area?
Yes
Do you feel threatened by what happened to you?
If I am financially buoyant, I would have left the area for them because it is as if they are occupying the whole area, and a word of threat has been dropped already and they said that the country belongs to them. I am still shocked because Nigeria is in trouble. Can you imagine somebody from Niger Republic, a foreigner telling me that my land belongs to him?
How do you feel about this ugly development as a Nigerian and a human being?
With this situation, I believe that a Nigerian should have rights. Nobody should rise up and intimidate one for no reason especially, when he has no one to speak for him. No advocate for that person. And since Nigeria is still bearing the name, Nigeria, and I'm a Nigerian, it is my country too and that is all.
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alukome@gmail.com> wrote:
Afis Deinde:
In a very funny way, those of us who are arguing about the limits of free speech are MORE LIBERAL than yourself!
You believe that if 1 million people see a particular thing, then ALL those 1 million should NOT feel offended about it, for WHATEVER reason. I - and I believe Ojutalayo and a few others - say that I may not feel offended, and Ayo may not feel offended, and Nebu may not feel offended, and you may not feel offended, but IF Lagbaja, Tamodu and Lakuregbe (LT&L) feel offended, they have EVERY INDIVIDUAL and COLLECTIVE RIGHT to report to the Police that the offence is both criminal (might cause a BREACH OF PEACE (by maybe others that LT&L cannot control) and civil (it hurts their sensibilities.)
Since it is NOT a crime for LT&L to make such a report, and since they are behaving as responsible citizens in not taking the law into their hands (like killing the dog and/or Chinakwe, for example, for which they should be punished even more severely than Chinakwe), the Police should inspect the report, and see whether it rises to a chargeable and/or detainable offence. (The detention may be a protective custody, or to ensure that the vagrant accused does not disappear into thin air, to cause more trouble elsewhere.) If the report does not rise to a charge, then the Police should explain to LT&L why not, and it is likely they will understand. The Police might then call Chinakwe aside, and advise him that even though what has been reported so far does not rise to a chargeable offence, there are things that he might continue to do that could do so.....whereupon Chinakwe might re-consider.
There are no universal guides to sensibilities. What might be offensive in one context - place and time - might not be in another context. Yes, we might learn from laws and actions in America and China and Latvia and Nigeria, but to think that reactions will be the same everywhere is jejune.
Finally, as a Christian, I don't spend too much time on religious relativism. The general notion among Christians is that our God can fight for Himself - "Revenge is mine, says the Lord", so whoever goes fighting and maiming others because they desecrate Jesus Christ or God Almighty or the Bible has himself or herself to blame for whatever punishment he or she faces. I am certain that God will not welcome him to Heaven saying, "Well fought, good Child of God." The New Testament also says that if you are not accepted in a city - which may be part or all of a City - wipe your feet from that city and move on. It is not cowardice, but wisdom (and God's plan) that it may be a sign that you are needed more in another city!
It may be different in other religions, but that is their business, but I better be aware of it, so that I don't act unguided or foolish.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 10:41 AM, afis 'Deinde <odidere2012@gmail.com> wrote:
"But what would you say where his dumbness and unreasonableness is likely to jeopardize public peace or cause violence and disharmony in the larger society ? Shouldn't he be sanctioned for that ?
There isn't anything wrong or criminal if his dog is named Buhari or he calls the dog Buhari in his private house or among other Igbo people who (on average ) are equally anti Buhari.
I think his action amounted to a serious breach of public order and peace when he pasted the name, Buhari on his dog and also called the same dog Buhari for others to hear in a market predominantly dominated by the Hausa people or/ and Buhari supporters. Do you honestly believe what he did couldn't lead to a serious violence ?"..........Imperial.
Afis comment: Nebu is wasting his time trying to convince Nigerians what Free Speech is all about. Nigerians are their own enemies.
Two Igbos were just murdered in Kano.
One of them was accused of insulting Islam, so she died. In the words of Imperial above if she had lived she should be in jail, after all her words "offended one person, and may cause breach of peace".
Those guys that placed "Naked Trump" all over America should've arrested, after all 13m voted for Trump and they must have been offended and the action of these dumb sculptors "may cause breach of the peace".
There was Chris Ofili, in 1996, he more than offended one continent full of Christians, he hurt the "feelings" of millions of Christians across the world in many continents when he painted The Holy Virgin Mary with elephant dung (shit).
People were angry, some protested and blocked his way, do everything to prevent the display of the picture or sculptor.
In the civilized world, the police protected the paintings and or sculptor and the artist, Chris Ofili. When he got to NYC, the Mayor Guilliani who is a Catholic and sees the Virgin Mary as too symbolic to be so defiled, went to court, stopped the subsidy of $7m that the city gives annually to the Museum that displayed the artist's "dumb paintings".
Guess what my peoples, Dumb guy and very offensive and provocative guy Ofili and the museum won the court case, well protected under the first amendment.
My people, Chris Ofili is still alive. No Christian burn down Brooklyn Museum. And if there exists anything that can be deemed "offensive", anything more "provocative", something more prune "to cause breach of peace", I will say it is a painting of a religious symbol defaced with shit and presented to millions of Christians as "in your face" insult.
I am not pointing out the errors of African ways in order to score points on mere debate. To me it is more than a debate, it is part of my rejection of Nigeria as a country.
When those who supposed to protect have no clue on what and whom to protect and serve, that country is in crisis.
When what should be protected is turned into a crime, and a tribe is rated superior, its religion protected because the tribe's Intolerance may "cause a breach of peace".
It is Intolerance we witness but called "potential causation of breach of peace".
Admittedly sometimes a protected speech may tend to ignite "breach of peace" such as the Ofili's Dumb art, such as the newspaper office that was bombed in Europe.
While Christians were more refrained and refused to escalate their anger to a murderous point, what we see in my view, is a Muslim outrage causing deaths and havoc around the world.
I just happened to be a neutral guy stuck among two imperfect religious Minds who strongly believed in separate but equal perfection of their Deities.
I look at situations globally not as mere isolated incidents, thus my shout out.
I don't see Chinakwe's "dog naming" rights isolated from Ofili's rights, nor do I see Hebdo's attack isolated from the recent killing of that igbo woman who was killed because he insulted Islam.
I know I know, I see no good coming out of Nigeria, oh do I wish I was wrong!
People have been beheaded all over the world because they dared to utter mere words against Prophet Mohammed, I don't see these deaths as isolated from the deaths of thousands of Christians who had been killed in the North by Homicidal Muslims just because they dared to utter words by reading aloud their books called the Bible.
We may say that was dumb of a Christian to open a church in a known hostile territory, we may even see such dumbness as "provocative" or offensive enough "to cause breach of peace", it may offend "one person", but this is a right worth protecting. Little incidents and reactions thereof tell of the commitment of a people to protect all rights in their land.
I'm truly disappointed with our reactions generally when rights are breached by governments in Nigeria, how we rationalize and blame the real victim truly confound me.
I find Nigerians unwilling to understand Freedom of Speech, part of which protects religion and utterances which may be deemed offensive but belong to the bearer and shouldn't be taken away or criminalized.
Nigeria can't get anywhere if one part is overly protected and allowed to overpower others be it gradual or forcefully, because in the long run, even shearing your Aladura sutana beyond a room, may offend these people you all are protecting.
These people won't stop until they make you into what their Qur'an ordered.
Shikena
Afis
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On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:24 AM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via AfricanWorldForum <africanworldforum@googlegroup s.com> wrote:
Imperial to Nebu: I think his action amounted to a serious breach of public order and peace when he pasted the name, Buhari on his dog and also called the same dog Buhari for others to hear in a market predominantly dominated by the Hausa people or/ and Buhari supporters. Do you honestly believe what he did couldn't lead to a serious violence ?
Comment: Nebu, the lawyer that was not called to Bar does not agree.
Imperial to Nebu: You don't need to carry a knife or be violent to breach public peace. If your action or utterances harm the presence of a another person, group of people or is designed to provoke or incite another person to committing crime, you are obviously breaching public peace .
Comment: Nebu, the lawyer that was not called to Bar does not agree.
Imperial to Nebu: Nebu, even when I disagree with some of your comments, I always see a lot sense in many of your submissions; please don't join Pa Ezeana and other irredeemable tribalists in justifying what the man did.
Comment: Imperial does not know Nebu. Nebu is the arch-irredeemable-tribalist on these forums. He who writes "Yoroba", "Awusa" to provoke other ethnic groups is as guilty as the Chinakwe guy did. That is why it is rocket science for Nebu to see the gravity of what Chinakwe did.
Ayo Ojutalayo
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. " . . . Martin Luther King Jr
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Imperial,
I appreciate your input on most matters too. On this one, we just have to agree on the areas we agree and disagree, without being disagreeable, on other areas. Believe me, criminalizing stupidity does not elevate any society.
Cheers,Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.
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Subject: Re: To Imperial Wizard:Buhari dog, sons of Lucifer & seed of Al Shaitan - b...Nebu,
You submission makes a lot of sense and am happy you too agreed that the man is very dumb and unreasonable .
But what would you say where his dumbness and unreasonableness is likely to jeopardize public peace or cause violence and disharmony in the larger society ? Shouldn't he be sanctioned for that ?
There isn't anything wrong or criminal if his dog is named Buhari or he calls the dog Buhari in his private house or among other Igbo people who (on average ) are equally anti Buhari.
I think his action amounted to a serious breach of public order and peace when he pasted the name, Buhari on his dog and also called the same dog Buhari for others to hear in a market predominantly dominated by the Hausa people or/ and Buhari supporters. Do you honestly believe what he did couldn't lead to a serious violence ?
You don't need to carry a knife or be violent to breach public peace. If your action or utterances harm the presence of a another person, group of people or is designed to provoke or incite another person to committing crime, you are obviously breaching public peace .
Nebu, even when I disagree with some of your comments, I always see a lot sense in many of your submissions; please don't join Pa Ezeana and other irredeemable tribalists in justifying what the man did .
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On 23 Aug 2016, at 5:47 PM, Nebukadineze Adiele <nebukadineze@aol.com> wrote:Imperial Wizard,
Is the fellow who named his dog Buhari immature and dumb? The answer is an unqualified yes. Are immaturity and being dumb criminal acts? The answer also is an unqualified no. While what he did may be reasonably objectionable, it is still not a crime and if you guys are setting the precedence of criminalizing stupidity, you must bear in mind that any Nigerian, including you, can become a criminal tomorrow, since none of us is above doing dumb things once in a while.
Until about two years ago, if you googled Michelle Obama, the first return was always her body superimposed on an ape's face, for that was how racist white people saw her. They created that racist and offensive description of her, which was not only falsehood peddling (since she looks not like an ape to normal human beings), but was also provocative. Despite African-Americans' and White House's protestations, all search engines refused to delete that image because it fell under protected speech. When pressure to remove it was no longer put on them, the search engines quietly and willingly removed that image from their Servers – about two year or so ago.
If you google Santorum, the last name of a former US Senator from Pennsylvania who has run for president on RNC platform twice, one of the returns is: "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex".
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Campaign_for_"santorum"_neolo gism).
As I write, search engines have refused to delete that offensive description, coined by gay activists who opposed Santorum's position on homosexuality and gay marriage, because it falls under protected speech. I can cite more examples, but you must have gotten my main point with those two.
The black man, especially the Nigerian variant, cannot continue being this vindictive and cruel species who broods no slight, and who must use crooked and tyrannical means to get even when slighted. The criminal code under which this fellow is being prosecuted is willfully or ignorantly being misapplied; it was crafted to check vagrancy, drunkenness, idleness, etc (see http://saharareporters.com/201 6/08/19/naming-dog-buhari-poli ce-impunity-and-law-inibehe-ef fiong). Are we now of a nation that abuses citizens' right to free speech just because we assume, not know for a fact, that some people's feelings were hurt? Is this abuse consistent with democracy?
As you folks support this abuse of power, which some over-officious sycophants are using to ingratiate themselves to president Buhari, you must bear in mind that you are laying the foundation for another Sani Abacha (I understand that you were one of his hangers on). Not only that, Nigerian law enforcement agents are repeating the same despotism they carried out under General Buhari while he was Head of State in 1984/85. When they disgraced Pa Awo by searching and ransacking his house without any reason or court order, General Buhari, even though did not authorize that human right violation, neither condemned, apologized, nor punished the perpetrators, just as he feigns ignorance of what is being done in his name today. Former president Bush, though a victim of assault and humiliation, publicly implored the Iraqi government to not abuse the law in punishing the fellow who had hauled shoes at him. Any person who claims that president Buhari and the presidency are not aware of this abusive prosecution in Ogun state must be an idiot of the worst order.
If you guys turn Nigeria into a totalitarian state, just because you are too unsophisticated to live with both the good and bad of democracy, don't be surprised if Nigerians eventually get fed up and react. One certainty over time has been that despotic governments have historically misjudged how the people they oppressed eventually reacted. Nigeria will not be an exception, for little matters of this nature often generate larger and dangerous results.
Now go ahead and gloat over violating the right of a dumb and unsophisticated trader.
By the way, you lied as to why the fellow named his dog buhari. Published reports in the Vanguard et al had him say he did so because he has admired the president since 1984. Based on experience, I can guarantee that the interview was why he was picked up again, for it violated the agreement that all parties reached and for which he was initially let go. Without a question, the guy is a moronic douche bag, but he has not committed any criminal act by naming his dog buhari.
Nebukadineze Adiele
Organized religion sired irrationality.
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Oga:
That was funny. No wonder this guy named his dog Buhari. His dog must be cozy and friendly with looters who visited him. Remember the Halliburton Bribery Scandal? Buhari is friendly with Obasanjo and Atiku. Wow. Buhari has not convicted a looter. Dasuki will walk soon. He says he gave Buhari N750 million. The wailing wailers now know what name their dogs. I don't like dogs. So DSS will never have to harass Ezeana for naming a dog Buhari.
And I am
Ezeana Igirigi Achusim
Odi-Isaa
Nwa Dim Orioha AkA Onyeukwu
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On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:17 AM, Imperial imperial_ltd@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
Pa Ezeana,
A few years ago, someone named his dog Jonathan but he didn't give the nickname any publicity; only his close friends and family members knew his dog was named Jonathan .
When asked why he gave his dog the name of our serving president, the owner said the dog always bark whenever he saw his friends and family members, but could not bark when thieves broke into his apartment. In addition to the above,his dog always felt delighted whenever thieves robbed his next door neighbours .
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On 23 Aug 2016, at 08:10, Ezeana Igirigi Achusim ezeana1@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Oga:
We are yet to hear from this dog to know how it appreciated being named Buhari. The dog may be wondering why it was not named Nelson or Zik. Talk about a dog attacking the owner, this dog may have been angry at the owner for giving it such a name considering that Buhari has failed Nigerians and failed the dog.
What many of us cannot understand is why we malign what is called man's best friend. If a dog is our best friend and Buhari is your president, giving the name Buhari to the dog can only be by a person who loves Buhari and thinks like domed misguided Nigerians that Buhari is doing quite well. Who else would name their best friend after Buhari but an APC lover of president Buhari?
And I am
Ezeana Igirigi Achusim
Odi -Isaa
Nwa Dim Orioha AkA Onyeukwu
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On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Imperial imperial_ltd@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Kindly ignore Femi Fani Kayode's fabrication which wasn't reported in the press during the Jonathan regime.
If an Igbo man names his dog Buhari in his private house or somewhere in Igbo land ( where the PDP people are in the majority ) that isn't a serious problem .
But if an Igbo man names his dog Buhari ( and even went to an extent of writing Buhari on the dog ) in a market dominated by the Hausa people or by the APC sympathizers, only a stupid man would say his action could not lead to a serious crisis. If the Igbo man is lynched for what he did, many would conclude that he consented for what happened to him or committed suicide.
In order to promote public peace in our society, I recommend that the man should be sanctioned so as to serve as a deterrent to others whose bodies are as sick as their minds .
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On 23 Aug 2016, at 5:43 AM, c15201947@aol.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
One year and two months ago when President Goodluck Jonathan was still in power, a man named his goat "Goodluck Jonathan".
After doing so he took a picture of himself with the goat and proceeded to splash it all over Facebook and Twitter.
As insulting and provocative as this was, no-one in government raised an eyebrow and neither did President Jonathan take it in bad faith.
Again one year and two months ago whilst he was still in power President Goodluck Jonathan was maligned, misrepresented and labelled as being "clueless", "weak" and "incompetent" by many.
Culled above is the stark difference between illiterate and power hungry felon, Buhari, and GEJ, an intellectual who understands what it means to serve public and to be in the eye of storm.
. It is only in Nigeria that an illiterate crook who forged certificate is allowed to stockpile weapon and jail and kill with impunity. What a shame.
Buhari dog, sons of Lucifer & seed of Al Shaitan - by Fani-Kayode
"I won't be surprised if the man arrested for naming his dog Buhari is arraigned before Justice Okon Abang. There is nothing beyond this government"- Mr. Deji Adeyanju, Twitter, 20th August, 2016.
Mr. Adeyanju, who is a young and rising bright star in Nigeria's political firmament, is absolutely right.
When the likes of Mrs. Oby Ezekwezile, the former Minister of Education and a hitherto great supporter and friend of the Buhari administration can publicly proclaim that
"President Buhari does not deserve to be President", then you know that this government has indeed gone beyond the pale, that the meltdown has started and that the corpses are beginning to smell.
Yet nothing is more indicative of the Federal Government's misplaced priorities and more reflective of their total and complete moral degeneration and psychotic paranoia than their behaviour towards the owner of a dog that was named Buhari. Consider the following.
One year and two months ago when President Goodluck Jonathan was still in power, a man named his goat "Goodluck Jonathan".
After doing so he took a picture of himself with the goat and proceeded to splash it all over Facebook and Twitter.
As insulting and provocative as this was, no-one in government raised an eyebrow and neither did President Jonathan take it in bad faith.
Again one year and two months ago whilst he was still in power President Goodluck Jonathan was maligned, misrepresented and labelled as being "clueless", "weak" and "incompetent" by many.
We took advantage of his meekness, decency, sense of restraint and humility and we took the basic freedoms that he gave us for granted. It didn't stop there.
On several occasions during the course of the 2015 presidential election campaign he was stoned in parts of the core north by violent groups of hungry-looking and thuggish almajiris whilst the First Lady, Mrs. Patience Jonathan, was unfairly and cruelly portrayed as an illiterate, a drama queen, a clown and somethiing akin to a female court jester.
She was even referred to as a "hipoppotomos" by no less a person than our Nobel Laureate, Professor Wole Soyinka whilst Jonathan himself was described as "a pig" by Mr. Japhet Omojuwa, a young and dynamic blogger and political commentator.
Yet despite all these unwarranted, crude and provocative insults the President did not lose his cool, the heavens did not fall and his government did not query, warn, threaten or arrest anyone.
One year and two months later things appear to be very different. Permit me to explain. A few days ago a man who named his dog "Buhari" was promptly arrested by the police and remanded in custody. His name is Joachim Chinakwe and he lives in Ogun state.
The police told members of an incredulous public that they took and kept Mr. Chinakwe in custody "for his own safety" and that they intended to arraign him in a court of law in a matter of days for having the effontry to name his dog "Buhari".
According to them, giving his dog that name was a provocative act that could have lead to an ethnic and religious conflict because Mr. Chinakwe's neighbours were Hausa-Fulani.
Apparantly those neighbours were not too happy with the name that he had given to the dog, in view of the fact that our President shares the same name, and therefore they threatened to kill him for it.
As far as I am aware this is the first time in the history of our country that anyone has been arrested simply because his dog shares the same name as our President.
It is also the first time that the victim of a serious crime and an individual whose life was threatened ended up being thrown behind bars whilst those that threatened to take that life ended up being the complainants in the case.
And all this because of a poor dog named Buhari which, we are told, had to be quietly put down and sent to the great beyond by its owner so that it couldn't be used as evidence against him in court!
The whole episode sounds like a second rate Hollywood script but sadly it really happened. I guess that is "Mai Chanji" for you.
Yet examples of the startling contrasts that exist between the Jonathan era and the one that we are in today refuse to abate.
Things have got so bad in this country that Mr. Ebube, a regular and increasingly influential commentator on Twitter, posted the following words on his handle yesterday. He wrote,
"Under this misfortune called APC people are arrested for writing about EFCC, naming a dog and criticising a governor".
I guess that is Mai Chanji for you.
When one considers the economic situation things are even worse. Mr. Oshioke Audu, a public commentator, put it well when he posted the following words on Facebook. He wrote,
"Twenty years ago the South African economy was 7.5 times the size of the Nigerian one. At the end of 2012 the South African economy was only 1.4 times the size of the Nigerian one. By 2014 Nigeria officially became Africa's number one economy and the 23rd in the world. Then the APC took over with inept Buhari in 2015. By 2016, Nigeria is now the 40th world economy and the third in Africa".
What a tragedy! Yet no-one captures it better than a young and courageous politician from Anambra state by the name of Prince Henry Nwazuruahu Shield who wrote the following on Facbook:
"Recession does not speak politics. It is simply a result of one man's ignorance about the management of the economy. A robust economy benefits both APC supporters and PDP's. We need to agree that Buhari is the SOLE problem of Nigeria".
This insightful young man has hit the nail on the head.
Permit me to conclude this contribution by touching on a matter that has brought many of us in the Christian community immense sorrow.
Southern Kaduna is on fire and its people are being slaughtered on a daily basis by blood-sucking Fulani herdsmen. Despite thils the Federal Government has done nothing to abate it or to bring the perpertrators to justice.
The truth is that those that commit these heinous crimes and their powerful rich friends that secretly buy them arms and that covertly encourage, protect and support them are nothing but the sons of Lucifer: they are the seed of Al Shaitan.
Pastor Luka Ubangari was one of their latest victims. His cold-blooded murder in s
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