In the western world you escaped to, citizens are free and allowed to organize and stage peaceful protests and demonstrations against any seat of government or authority without let or hindrance as is expected in a democratic and civilized society. Pray, how many times and how often have you see the military in the USA where you now live called out to shoot live bullets and or use tear gas to disperse citizens holding peaceful protests and demonstrations? Have you seen such happen in countries like UK, Canada, Germany, or even Russia? And how often have you seen the police authorities carelessly and senselessly shot into protesting and demonstrating crowds as a demonstration of State power and force? The Canadian province of Quebec where the French people have continuously agitated for their own separate country, rather than use the military and police to brutalized them, the State government have always found a way to appease them through dialogue that let them know how everyone (the French and other Canadians) are better off as citizens of one country, Canada. That is called statesmanship and democratic leadership and governance worthy of a civilized society and people. Well; it is Nigeria in question where brute force is the way to checkmate and keep folks in line. But for how long, though?
Some of you so-called educated and western exposed Nigerians in Diaspora put one to shame reading your parochial and tribalistic destructive views on issues and matters of human rights concern. Except when the shoe is put in the other foot do you ethnics see that something uncivil and untoward is happening. Then, you rise in wailing condemnation. Dastard hypocrites you all are. One thing is obvious though whether you believe it or not. No amount of bullets and tear gas ever stopped an idea whose time has come.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
Police rescue thieves from mob attack in C'River
Bolaji Aluko:
I have just read your counter to my position on this society destructive issue of kidnappers and the kidnapped. I could not help but wonder if you read these lines of my argument before you reached the conclusions you outlined in counter to mine? You argued as if I want every accused kidnapper(s) mob-lynched. No, that is not my position. These are the crux of my stated position:
"I would rather say, if they are truly kidnappers, they deserve any treatment the public and police gave to them."
"Like I said, if they in the photos below went on a kidnapping venture and got caught, they had it coming and must pay the price. They are lucky they were not brutalized and set ablaze. Will have been good riddance to a bunch of rubbish human beings."
Bolaji, our country's judicial system and police force seem to have a way of letting known and identified kidnappers and armed robber escape justice. They recycle and return to their heart-wrenching destructive means of making livelihood. That should not be. There are times the society (citizens) help the law enforcement agencies get rid of deviants that terrorise law abiding folks. Therefore, I maintain that if one is caught in the act of kidnapping knowing the obvious consequences for the kidnapped, if the citizens take the law into their hands to get rid of the kidnappers and robbers, so be it. You and whomever can call it "mob justice". I call it the cleansing of society of bad eggs by the citizens.
In your own words, there you have it.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] ||NaijaObserver|| Kidnappers captured in Calabar stripped naked
Ken Asagwara:
I am with Dr. KIK on this one.
What you propose - because you consider the crime of kidnapping particularly heinous - is jungle justice. WhateVer the crime, there must be four broad PrinciPles:
(1) the crime must be fiRmly established, so that you are not mistaking, for example, a family dispute for a kidnapping;
(2) the criminals must be firmly established, so that no one is wrongly accused (ie an innocent person or bystander is not swept among criminals and victimized);
(3) the proven criminals are assigned their proper sanctions, from time served to even death (because in a crime invariably, not all the "criminals" are guilty with the same weight. There are godfathers/masterminds, trigger pullers, and accessories before and after the fact, etc)
(4) the sanctions are applied by the appropriate persons, eg police, judges, jailers, Executioners, ie not by a mob, which may be prone to violate the earlier three principles.
So as not to violate your sensibilities, I have not included the four modern principles of
(1) pre-knowledge of criminality of the act before commission;
(2). Right to counsel and fair trial before a learned judge and/or jury of peers; and
(3) Right of appeal
Take any of the persons in the pictures published, for example the woman. You never know whether she was forced into this particular incident by one of the men, or she Just hitched a ride with them that one day, only to be caught with them. She would then be punished as a kidnapper when her only crime was asking for and getting a ride with people that she did not know as kidnappers. But you took a look at her portly self, and concluded right away that it was a product of kidnapping?
Haba!
I support convicted kidnappers being jailed for life. Although I do not advocate the death penalty, I would not be an advocate against death penalty imposed on kidnappers whose victims die or are permanently maimed in the process.
But I am opposed to mob justice against kidnappers and other criminals, even if the penalty that would be meted to the convicted criminal is what the mob metes out, eg death. The scope for error and the brutalization of society are compelling reasons against mob justice.
So be properly guided, Ken Asagwara.
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Thursday, November 24, 2016, Asagwara, Ken (MET) <Ken.Asagwara@gov.mb.ca> wrote:
Oga Dr Kalu Idika Kalu:
I would rather say, if they are truly kidnappers, they deserve any treatment the public and police gave to them. They are lucky to have escaped lynching and being set ablaze. I want to believe you know how very inhuman the kidnappers treat their captives? Most kidnapped women are brutally gang-raped; men are brutalised, and often kidnapped victims are killed after the kidnappers had receive millions of Naira as ransom.
A few months ago, we read how the kidnapping of an Abuja based school proprietress was organized by her driver whom she had over the years, been kind to. The driver and his group gang-raped and brutalized her; collected as was reported N10m from her family and in the end, they stripped her naked, tied her up and buried her alive. When they were caught, they were made to exhume her body and carry it on their heads. Seeing the photos of what they did to the poor woman left those of us that saw them teary-eyed. They should have been lynched. Look at the photos of the caught kidnapper below and tell us they are among the starving Nigerians. All of them look very well fed perhaps, from kidnap ransom monies. This time, their cups got full and anyone feeling sorry for them is missing the point. If, "These pictures are a blot on us all. ." per your take, what have you got to say to the kidnapped victims often brutalized, raped, forced to pay millions in ransom and most often, killed by their kidnappers to escape being caught and being brought to justice?
Especially now that the Christmas season is around, they, kidnappers are afield. Citizens and the police should do all within their power to stop them. To be kidnapped is to take away one's freedom of liberty to live without hindrance. Like I said, if they in the photos below went on a kidnapping venture and got caught, they had it coming and must pay the price. They are lucky they were not brutalized and set ablaze. Will have been good riddance to a bunch of rubbish human beings.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
Kidnappers from Delta and Enugu state arrested in Calabar, stripped naked
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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Kidnappers captured in Calabar stripped naked
WHERE ARE POLICE AND OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT. .HELP for the INNOCENT, DUE PROCESS for the GUILTY!
These pictures are a blot on us all. . this is 2016 for Christ' sake!!
Dr Kalu Idika Kalu
On 24 Nov 2016, at 2:41 PM, vincent modebelu vin_modebelu@yahoo.com [NaijaObserver] <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Kidnappers allegedly from Delta and Enugu state stormed Calabar for operations on Wednesday November 23. Luck however ran out of them as they were apprehended by residents of Calabar with one of their victim. They kidnappers were stripped naked.
Kidnappers allegedly from Delta and Enugu state stormed Calabar for operations on Wednesday November 23. Luck however ran out of them as they were apprehended by residents of Calabar with one of their victim. They kidnappers were stripped naked.
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