Sunday, February 5, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Africa welcomes everyone, but are not welcomed everywhere [ World as Migration Space ]

"The u.s. is big, takes more refugees or immigrants than most, normally.but not as a percentage of the population."



Will   the generosity prevail?  That is the question,  but I am really energized by the

flow of people to airports and cities within the week, against Trumpian highhandedness, 

and his retroactive ban on visa and  green card holders. His toxic rhetoric against

immigrants may however take a toll on some segments of the population.





Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
 
New Britain. CT 06050
www.africahistory.net




From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:45 PM
To: usaafricadialogue
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Africa welcomes everyone, but are not welcomed everywhere [ World as Migration Space ]
 

Absolutely.

It is simple: rich countries limit entry, poor countries have no reason to do so. Some rich countries are almost impossible to immigrate to, like japan. The u.s. is big, takes more refugees or immigrants than most, normally.but not as a percentage of the population.

relative to the size of other countries it is not generous.

It's been the case for a while that Scandinavia had a great reputation. I know that is no longer true of Denmark. Cornelius can tell us about the others.

The ideal, for me, is open borders, as had been the case in Africa after independence, when an African could travel throughout the continent with just an i.d. card.

That is how the world should be

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com>
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Date: Saturday 4 February 2017 at 21:54
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Africa welcomes everyone, but are not welcomed everywhere [ World as Migration Space ]

 

this issue also goes beyond refugees to include general immigration.

how easy is it to migrate to Africa from anywhere else compared to the ease of migrating from Africa to other places?

toyin

 

 

On 4 February 2017 at 15:06, Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

Femi, there are almost 400,00 refugees from Burundi now.

I wonder how many people outside the region, the neighboring countries, even know this.

Thank god Tanzania opened its border, and even Rwanda, for its own reasons, received large numbers. Even the drc took some.

But if it is generosity, to some degree, it is also the unhrc, un funded camps and ngos. How the money might benefit the host country, I don't know. The camps of Somalis in kenya are practically cities now.

This is one of the great markers of tragedy in our time: the failure to accommodate refugees, and the horrible hatred for them that western countries feel, that drive rightwing politics. It isn't just western countries: it is rich countries, like japan or Singapore or you name it,  whose citizens resent the poor, the tired, the huddled masses.

As if one day we wouldn't become one of them.

What bitter irony: who of us, historically, in the deep past, is not the descendant of people who moved to greener pastures, under one kind of duress or another? I dare say no one on earth. And yet, after just one or two generations, three maybe, all the descendants say, don't let THEM in.

And voila, trump gets elected.

How many on the list remember kourouma's Suns of Independence?

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Femi Segun <soloruntoba@gmail.com>
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Date: Friday 3 February 2017 at 23:29
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Africa welcomes everyone, but are not welcomed everywhere [ World as Migration Space ]

 

This is humanity in its real essence. You are right. I am even aware that many Europeans ran to Africa during the Second World as they flew from the madness of Hitler.  But unfortunately, the world does not operate on the basis of humanity. Realism and its inclination to power, nationalism and satisfaction of self-interest constitutes the bedrock of inter-state relations, especially under the Euro-American civilization. Our leaders are yet to understand this salience of power and pursuit of self-interest in their relations with the Rest. Perhaps, it is time for Africans to, while not departing from their generally good nature towards strangers in particular, adopted a more realistic approach in their relations with the West, and increasingly the East.

Femi

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

This seems a little dumb. It isn't that African states "welcome" refugees; they are often overwhelmed with refugees from wars on various nations' border. Ditto for turkey, with roughly a godzillion Syrian refugees, alongside Jordan. The numbers are staggering, and it is marked by UN camps that house them. Even Iraq is "welcoming" to Syrian refugees, which is astounding if you consider that war in Iraq is still going on, but refugees have no choices, they go where they can.

 

The converse, however, is true: countries that could take in refugees, because they have the means, often shut them out. That begins with the US, and includes especially eastern Europe and then various European countries. The record of scandanavia has been exemplary, in the past (no thanks to Denmark any more), but the real hero of our times is angela merkel, angel merkel took in a million or more desperate people, and history will remember that. The u.s., however, including Obama, barely mustered a very small fraction of refugees whose flight we contributed to the creation of.

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

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Date: Friday 3 February 2017 at 07:35
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Date: 2 February 2017 at 16:20
Subject: [africanworldforum] ||NaijaObserver||Africa welcomes everyone, but are not welcomed everywhere,

 

  The observation is clear. Africa welcomes everyone, but Africans are not welcomed everywhere,

 

travel ban and Africa's refugee

 

THE MORNING CALL

 

The US travel ban, a decree by president Donald Trump, has been the major news headline this week. And at the just ended Summit of the African Union, the Secretary-General of the United Nations Antonio Guterres reiterated that Africa remains the most open in the world.

Contrary to the policies in Europe or the United States, Africa remains the largest continent in terms of accommodating refugees and migrants. In their latest annual report, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees stated that Africa alone hosts 4.41 million of the refugees in the world out of a total of 21.3 million.

Besides, five African nations are in the world's top 10 refugee-friendly countries. I'm talking about Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Dr Congo and Chad.

And these numbers are expected to increase, according to some security experts, with the crisis in Burundi and South Sudan.

It might surprise you, Somalia, which is part of the three African countries whose citizens are not allowed to enter the U.S. territory also hosts refugees. We've seen several nationals of the Yemen fleeing the civil war in the streets of Mogadishu and other Somali cities.

The example of Somalia shows quite clearly that Africa, despite its problems is still very much open. This was further affirmed by the Secretary-General of the United Nations Antonio Guterres whiles addressing Heads of States of the African Union meeting in Addis Ababa earlier this week.

The observation is clear. Africa welcomes everyone, but Africans are not welcomed everywhere

Donald Trump has just laid emphasis on a policy that is already been applied in most western countries today. 
That issue was raised at the just ended Summit of the African Union by the immediate past President of the Commission of the African Union, Nkosazana-Dlamini Zuma.

She was even more explicit than the Secretary-General of the United Nations, saying,"this is one of the greatest challenges and tests to our unity and solidarity."

We should expect the African Union to mobilise, on the recent travel ban by Donald Trump, which specifically targets Libya, Somalia and Sudan. For the moment, I cannot tell in what form this reaction or mobilization would be.

It might be the Organization of a Summit with the United States such as that the one held in Valletta with the EU towards the end of 2015. Would this translate to a greater fluidity in the movement of Africans around the world? That if you ask me is the multimillion dollar question.

vin.....///

 

 

 

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 Observe and see

 

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