On Friday, 10 March 2017 00:10:16 UTC+1, Rex Marinus wrote:
Rabbi:
With all due respect, I still don't understand you. I'm lost! Your metaphors coruscate, and only initiates in the secrets of the "Egungun" can tell what you say. I do not have that privilege. You might be right, you know: it might just be that your English is too refined for me, because, yes, mine is unapologetically, undisguisedly, Nigerian. Whatever the elders of Hillel say, salute them for me. Although sometimes, when I apply my prismatic glass, I do not know who hides behind the mask: "Ogbeni Kadiri" or some Rabbi acting for Esu or the elders of Hillel. And why in the world should I escape from my ancestral roots? I drink piss? And yes, "I" as subject is always "before others." Ask Fanon. And that is why, try as you may to violate my person, I am Igbo without complaint, or anxiety, or regrets. I am not in your club of those who want to "escape their ancestral roots." My ancestors have done nothing evil o me.
Obi Nwakanma
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Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: THE HISTORY OF THE NIERIAN CIVIL WAR SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS--
These links got hijacked, so here they are again:
Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto's seminal Mesillat Yesharim / The Path of the Just
Ken Harrow's song , The Cadillacs: Speedo
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.............................. .............................. .............................. .................. Brothers and sisters and friends - and I see some enemies ( preface to Malcolm X's famous speech The Ballot or the Bullet ) - this we can hear clearly. That's the way we talk. Oral tradition.
To Obi:
One good turn deserves another: You talk to me like that and I talk to you like this. Pray that it doesn't escalate.
What is it that you don't understand, Yeye Man Obi Nwakanma, signifying monkey, tight-arsed little creep who probably still doesn't know the name of his father. Who in the name of Chukwu do you think you're talking to? The poetry pouring out of your ass is not the best way of talking to me, boy.
Take note, I'm not an Igbo man but still I don't complain that I can't or don't understand you. I understand you perfectly.
Again it's cultural - it seems that you can't escape from your ancestral roots. As I said in the posting that you are replying to, "respect begets respect"
Hamelberg sure, same tribe, originally all come from the same place, my ancestry - yes - maternally Yoruba (ultimately Abeokuta) paternally German (begins in Vienna, Austria) but what does that have to do with your Biafra under review?
Landlocked and besieged Biafrans were starving and yet you say that "the S Brigade and BOFF and the Commando Unit created by the Special Forces mercenary, Rolf Steiner were in place should the negotiation in Lagos fail" I understand. They were all set and ready to go. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, Obi.
Maybe you were a little pickaninny, one of many, starving, running around half-naked in the streets of Biafra after the Biafra War which you and the devil started, and still running around naked and starving your elders were busy negotiating your peaceful surrender, lest your Biafra annex Lagos, Ibadan, overrun and maybe exterminate the rest of Nigeria. All that before your head of state Commander-in-Chief Emeka Ojukwu ran - with his tail between his legs all the way to Abidjan which is far far away from Biafra and from Nigeria.Brother Kadiri has already rebutted all the points that you raised but like a parrot or like a tone deaf illiterate goat you keep on regurgitating /"spewing" ( good Naija English) your mantras, vainglorious bigotry , Igbo chauvinism, you keep on coming back for more, giving more substance to Ogbeni Kadiri's explication of the acronym I.g.b.o. as the selfish, egotistical "I go before others".
Hillel the Elder asks, "But if I am only for myself, who am I?"
If you continue to go on the way to perdition that you are going, then the answer is in one word : I-gbo
And that's why you still can't even speak English - just look at you - why can't you talk like a man? It's pitiful and difficult to hear what you're saying to your audience when you're just mumbling to yourself, in vain, with your fake attempts at putting right some half-audible uncorrected Nigerian English accent in drag disguise. Cheers! Hopefully, sometime you'll even be proud to be living in your own country, "under another name" oppressed, suppressed , repressed, just as you are now and that's why you forget decent Igbo manners and talk like that to "Rabbi Hamelberg". And yes there was one - a long time ago - just check some older versions of the encyclopedia judaica - but I assure you, that just like Jesus, I'm not him, although I too lost him and later, a lot of people in the Holocaust.
You talk to me like that and my reply is like this - being quite poetic - speaking in my mother tongue, now in a state of lower consciousness behind my egungun mask which you can't see from the level where you now standing but let me assure you that I'm not from any gutter and so I hope that you fully understand what I'm saying now and know that a rabbi doesn't talk like that. Talking about masks, just in case you don't know - and I don't expect you to know everything - after the Prophet Moses came down from conversing with the Almighty at Mt. Sinai , his face was so shining, so luminous that his people, the children of Israel were afraid to go near him. From that time onwards he had to wear a mask and it was from behind that mask that he spoke to the children of Israel for forty years in the wilderness.
You have already described me. But who am I for you to understand? If you understand Dylan Thomas that's good enough for me and there's nothing to forgive or argue about - as the man said, I don't get angry, I get even.
You are going to hear from me exactly one more time in this forum ( the last time) when I'm gonna take your sorry ass to task for what you said about Chief Obafemi Awolowo. You should be extra careful if you think that you are talking out of your gnash on your own behalf or on behalf of the Igbo
Lenny Henry - Live & Unleashed (Full Show)
On Thursday, 9 March 2017 13:19:47 UTC+1, Rex Marinus wrote:
Dear Rabbi Hamelberg:I confess: your language of the masquerade, also famously known as "signifying" sometimes leaves me breathless, and I ask like Eliot, is the smell of a...that makes me so digress? Well, you see, being German, Jewish, Sierra Leonnean, Liberian, even with a hint of Gambian, and of course Swedish Yoruba, you have many tongues that speak, and much as I listen, I'm often left with a hum. You know, that small, silent, voice that haunts only those whom Agwu has visited. So, if I do not understand you always, forgive me. I should say this: "anyi adighi agbazi k'anyi data ego..." It is my Igbo way of saying, we are no longer dancing for any fiduciary purposes or applause. I am not writing to win the Nobel prize. I am not writing to please God. I am not writing to appease the earth goddess. I am not writing to earn any more respect than I'm worth. I do not particularly care for titles. I actually prefer to be simply "Obi." I salute you.Obi Nwakanma
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Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:57 PM
To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: THE HISTORY OF THE NIERIAN CIVIL WAR SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS--I'm afraid there's no way out of this Sir
You, she, he, me, they, we just have to respect him
the way that he would like mini-mally
to be respected!
Aretha Franklin : Respect (begets respect)
As Chief Aluko usually says, " And there you have it"!
On Wednesday, 8 March 2017 09:30:44 UTC+1, Kayode J. Fakinlede wrote:Dear Dr. Nwakanma,
I must apologize exceedingly sir, for addressing you as Mr. Nwakanma instead of Dr. Nwakanma. Many a time, when I think a male person is writing, not having the privilege of deciphering their academic achievements, I try to use the common title reserved for all male persons. That was why I refered to you as Mr. Nwakanma. As a favor, I will implore you to put this title in front of your name always so people like me do not offend your ensibilities. It is a great achievement and really no one should take it lightly.
I must also apologise for insinuating that the Biafra was defeated during the war. I could not have been farther from the truth. They were indeed not vanquished. That being said, I am certain that my libido will find a certain level of normalcy.
However, I still believe that the history of the Nigerian Civil war should be taught to all our children in the schools so they can make informed decisions of their own. That was my initial contention.
Again, I aologise sir.
Regards
FAKINLEDE K
On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 12:23:42 PM UTC+1, Kayode J. Fakinlede wrote:'No victor, no vanquished."
This pronuncement, to me, is the greatest blunder of our civil war. I can almost say that it is at the bottom of the continued aspiration by a segment of our society for secession.
Of course, one could not have blamed the government of young Ganeral Gowon. It was reasoned then that in declaring that neither side won or lost the war, everyone would have learned his lesson and our nation would be at peace forever more.
What we see now is a blantant misplacement of historical facts and grotesque caricatures being made of those whose intentions were noble. But more importantly, we are seeing agitations where none should have arisen and from the side that was vanqished in the war. The factual victors, having remained silent for so long, are now being painted as carnivores and murderers.
Anyone who was an adult during the civil war will definitely not wish another one on Nigeria. Lessons have been learned and honestly, not too many of these people agitate for secession or any form of upheaval, regardless of his tribal origin. It is those who were yet unborn or too young to experience the realities of war that would think it is child's play.
But the truth is that they do not know better. They receive information, not history, from their parents. In most instances, while the intenions of the older ones may not be for agitation, a vanquished people will always tell a story of their mistreatment and their heroism in the face of all odds.
A factual history of the civil war must be taught in all our schools to all our children. This is not to put any segment of our nation down. It is reasonable because this event marks the singular greatest period when, but for providence sake, Nigeria would have disintegrated. Moreover, people badly informed of the mistreatment of their forebears are bound to react negatively to their perceived malefactors.
This subject needs not be given a name that would be derogatory to any side. It can just be called 'The Nigerian Civil War'. Therein all our young ones will learn as a subject matter: the events that led to the war; attempts to resolve the issues so war could be averted; who were the initial aggressors; who took part militarily in the war; who were the heroes; the parts played by our own leaders either in preventing or agitating for war; the parts played by others in trying to prevent war; how the war was prosecuted; how the war was brought to an end; life after the war; attempts to rebuild; the lingering issues arising from the war; the effects of the war on our present political life; important dates in the process; etc.
There is so much to teach our children and they should be properly and factually taught. Some smart person once said that whoever forgets the past is bound to repeat it, or something of that nature.
I rest my case
Fakinlede K
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