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Navy Destroys Illegal Refinery With 1.5m Litres Of Diesel In PH
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Debate:
1.On Apr 1, 2017 at 1:12 AM, <'c15201947' c15201947@aol.com
[NIgerianWorldForum]> wrote:
Idiots, they destroyed effort of the people to develop refining
technology, then they go to oyibo man to import same refine crude oil.
Then oyibo man would triple and quadruple the prices for the clients
who don't think. How stupid.
And when they tag all of us monkeys everybody will be upset. Those
who develop this so-called 'illegal refinery' should have been
approached and paired up with engineers to build and make the refinery
work on large scale.
These Fulani idiots are albatross on Nigeria and indeed Africa. How
could a people be this mentally deranged and highly destructive
enmass?
Why destroy an idea that is in incubation and could benefit Africa?
2. I consider this stupid. We are unable to build new refineries and
destroy happily destroy the product of ingenuity of the local Nigerian
who is able to refine 1.5m litres from his factory that government
cannot build. Why not find out the secret of the production process,
allocate crude to them to stop importation? That will stop him from
stealing. I wonder whose interest the government is protecting?
Ben.
Ben O. Igbinosa, PhD, FNIM
3. Nelson,
Where do so called 'illegal refiners' sell their product?? In Nigeria, right?
So that helps to stabilize supply and prices for the struggling poor
and unemployed.
And it is all made in Nigeria. So these Fulani Islamic criminals in
army uniform destroy the effort and force them out of business.
Then everybody will depend on same imported refined product from oyibo man.
You make oyibo nation richer, employ their people, and strengthen
their money against yours that is about to be worthless….. right?
By contrast go to China to see Chinses government funded mass copying
and duplication of products made by others including Africa.
The Idea works and made the government rich and employed millions of the people.
Nelson, what is wrong with Fulani criminals holding Nigerian
government hostage and when will Nigerians unite to exorcise this
debilitating cancer?
The people of Igwe ocha are refining oil in their land the way they
know how and there came Fulani Islamic terrorists killing and
destroying everything.
Is that lawful? These people own the oil they are refining, and last
we checked nobody complained to the government that they stole the
oil. So for what reason were these Nigerian army in Igweochca killing
people and destroying their means of livelihood? They kill owners of
the oil and then Fulani criminals take over, sell the crude to oyibo
man and loot and waste the money. That is how to run a country??
4.Surprised indeed that Nigerians are prone to destroy things instead
of inventing things or improving things. Oyibo brainwashed Nigerians.
First it was calling our brew illegal. But akpetesi beat Gordon Gin
any day in any competition. Now they are buying this idea of illegal
refineries. How can they be illegal if they can refine petrol that
fuels a car?
Nigeria must still be living as in colonial days. It is called
taxation. They refine crude? No problem. Tax what they refined so they
don't have an advantage over NNPC refineries. Make sure the products
meet minimum standards.
Look here. Americans smoke pot. But for so long, the government was
not collecting any tax on the pot sales. What did the government do?
Tax pot. Yes. My state, Illinois is so broke, but like Massachusetts
and California and Colorado and Vermont and Washington, Illinois wants
to tax pot sales and not destroy pots. Huge tax income. Cigarettes
cause cancer. You still want to smoke cigarettes in California instead
of pot? Will cost you an extra $2 per pack of cigarettes.
Look here Nigeria. Fuel is not like liquor where people get hurt
drinking it. A Nigerian ought to be able to set up a refinery anywhere
anytime without anyone harassing him. Safety standards and products
purity should be all that should concern Buhari and his government.
Just levy tax on the profits from these cottage refineries.
And I am
Ezeana Igirigi Achusim
Odi-Isaa
Nwa Dim Orioha AKA Onyeukwu
5.Despite the efforts of demon parasites in government to make sure
life for ordinary Nigerians is impossible, Nigerian ingenuity and
drive shows through all the time, including providing for themselves
where government should have been leading.
But then, these denizens of impenetrable darkness are so evil and
demonic that they cannot even see a source of revenue for the
government, especially where they have refused to make the local
refineries work, or build new ones, despite Nigerian children
graduating from Nigerian universities with engineering schools,
especially petroleum engineering and technology.
The existence of an "illegal" refinery with as much as 1 million
liters of diesel indicates that Nigerians have the capacity to produce
these things without recourse to the usual culprits (what used to be
called the seven sisters). But instead of supporting, enhancing and
mainstreaming this capacity, these demon parasite locust so called
"leaders," who are actually agents of international conspiracy of hell
against the human race, are doing everything to kill it.
A borderline intelligent person will tax these entities and let them
mainstream their systems through compliance with standards that are
designed to enhance their ability to acquire input and produce safe
outputs, so that eventually, Nigerians are not held hostage by these
demonic cabals of locust parasites. A real government will do the
same.
The same demon parasites have indicated that they could not find
refineries to buy outside. Nigerians are producing these refineries by
themselves. Instead of enabling these systems to become safe and
normal, they are sabotaging the human spirit of creative solutions,
sending force (a totally corrupt navy) to destroy the production
capacities they refuse to develop.
This is an indication that Nigeria desperately needs a robespierre
phenomenon to cleanse out these demon parasite locusts.
And it is written: "And they and their generations shall never know
good or peace or pleasure, for they and their unborn generations are
cursed for all eternity."
Those who have ears ...
O.E.
6.
O.E.
I hope that we can have a reality check when it comes to this issue of
"illegal refineries", so that we don't get carried away.
Their "illegality" is not only about the un-licensed nature of the
refinery, but that the CRUDE oil is obtained "illegally" - that is
either stolen ("tapped") directly from the official pipeline, or (less
likely) purchased from "illegal" crude oil sellers.
So to "legalize" them, we would have to:
(1) register the would-be refiners
(2) legalize the purchase of crude;
(3) standardize the output of the refining
(4) ensure the safety of the operations and disposal of waste
(ensuring safety to workers and to citizens in the neighborhood)
(5) tax them (in order to provide safety, roads, etc.)
Clearly, to legalize the refineries, the profit-motive which they now
enjoy is most likely to become less - but maybe not?
Bolaji Aluko
QUOTE
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/
Nigeria's Illegal Oil Refineries
ALAN TAYLOR
JAN 15, 2013
30 PHOTOS
IN FOCUS
Reuters photographer Akintunde Akinleye recently gained rare access to
an illegal oil refinery near the river Nun in Nigeria's oil state of
Bayelsa. There, he was able to document the secret and dangerous
practice of oil bunkering, where locals hack into oil pipelines, steal
the crude oil, and refine or sell it abroad. For over 50 years now,
crude oil and natural gas have been extracted from the Niger Delta by
large corporations, which have had their share of environmental
disasters. The ongoing damage from the tapped pipes and these
makeshift refineries continue to take a terrible toll on the
environment and the local population. See also "Nigeria: The Cost of
Oil" from 2011..........Thousands of people in Nigeria engage in a
practice known locally as "oil bunkering" - hacking into pipelines to
steal crude then refining it or selling it abroad. The practice, which
leaves oil spewing from pipelines for miles around, managed to lift
around a fifth of Nigeria's two million barrel a day production last
year according to the finance ministry. #
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n06_RTR3CGTS/main_1200.jpg?1420511152
Men work at an illegal oil refinery site near river Nun in Bayelsa
State, on November 27, 2012. #
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n10_RTR3CGYN/main_1200.jpg?1420511154
A worker pours crude oil into a locally made burner using a funnel at
an illegal oil refinery in Bayelsa State, on November 25, 2012. #
UNQUOTE
7." ... I hope that we can have a reality check when it comes to this
issue of "illegal refineries" ... "
" ... Clearly, to legalize the refineries, the profit-motive which
they now enjoy is most likely to become less - but maybe not?..."
Very insightful statements that point at a desire for building
prosperity, as different from "fighting" poverty.
The reality is that there are certain realities happening in the lives
of ordinary Nigerians:
1. No light ... in a country that boasts of the most highly educated
demography in the world.
2. Petroleum products that are chronically inadequate in a market that
is chaffing at the bit for products and services. In other words,
artificially created shortages.
3. No jobs
4. A creative and driven population, that is trying to produce (ab
initio) what should ordinarily be accessible to them.
Nigerians are therefore offering to their government:
5. The development of capacity that can be leveraged to guarantee
supply and therefore that can be very profitable, given the demand in
the market
6. The development of substantial logistics of scale (1 million gallons)
7. A potential production tax base for a responsible government
8. A veritable arena for the educated manpower to be applied
profitably and productively, especially in upstream, side-stream and
downstream contexts
9. The development of value chains of prosperity.
10. The opportunity for governments at all levels to begin learning to
negotiate their IGR on the basis of fostering prosperity. This has
been a serious threat to the unity and prosperity of the country as we
already know.
Any responsible government would normally see these as opportunities
to take credit for enabling creativity and production by the people
for the people.
But the reality created by the demon parasites in successive Nigerian
governments is:
11. The deepening of hopelessness and the elevation of the worst form
of abject mediocrity
12. The increasingly closing doors to any form of creative and
productive behavior by a government that refuses to even consider
anything productive.
13. Successive governments that have abrogated their responsibility to
ensure a supportive environment for production
In other words because of irresponsibility (that we know is being
driven by the twin demons of abrahamic religions and incapacitating
anti-self "education") on the part of government leaders and
operatives (especially the so-called political and military "elite"
who are actually demon parasites), there is relatively infinitesimal
production in the face of relatively infinite demand.
This is coupled with successive governments, manned by the most
parasitic demons, that are actually committing treason against the
people they are supposed to serve.
But most importantly is that the people are beginning to "grow" their
own capacities to satisfy a market that the demon parasites refuse to
recognize.
Thus, the very easily executable steps proffered:
(1) register the would-be refiners
(2) legalize the process for purchase of crude;
(3) standardize the output of the refining
(4) ensure the safety of the operations and disposal of waste
(ensuring safety to workers and to citizens in the neighborhood)
(5) tax them (in order to provide safety, roads, enabling environments, etc.)
These can be done in less than 16 weeks for the first cohort, by
responsible people in government, through policy development and
training for all those involved that come forward. The cost for this
work alone is less than chicken change for the government. In other
words they can get the funding from contingency allocations, and not
even feel it at all.
To these, it is safe to add:
(6). Give some oil blocks to those who would supply this market and
provide incentives for some to shift some of their supply to this
market, especially those who have some mining capacity that can be
upgraded to supply these producers.
(7). Use government financial and banking instruments to encourage
the movement of venture capital into this arena.
(8). Give them ten years to improve and fully mainstream into the market .
(8). However work actively with them to reach those standards set
for us by us (in collaboration and agreement between these producers
and government) that respond to our needs (example: some individual
operations may not be able to do this on their own. Encourage them to
coalesce to some scale level, show and support them to share their
returns through equitable - input based - proportions), not the
dictates of parasites from abroad.
(9). Solicit their help in mainstreaming others that may want to
enter into production for the next five years and create a critical
mass of production and producers that will provide government with a
producing constituency, to allow them resist the ongoing and extremely
disabling parasitic manipulations from outside
(10). The tax enables government support for their mainstreaming.
In other words, it should not cost the governments (at all levels) to
do these things in the medium and long run.
Actually, as indicated, this approach would allow the producers to
really focus on production, safety and supply, ensuring profits that
can be guaranteed to expand exponentially for the foreseeable future.
The thing is to expedite and fast forward these capacitation processes
and set them up to support and defend their own prosperity, so that
the government can resist the pressures from outside.
These would be the natural interactions with the people, especially if
appropriately executed to ensure profitable returns (the desire of
which was expressed in your response) for the operators.
If we look at the history of any form of development (especially home
grown development, which is actually the best form of development,
because it is responding to needs), this is how it occurs. Market
generates demand, creativity generates supply, regulations generate
and facilitate quality and quantity improvement and distribution.
The american economy (including the texas oil industry and the gold
rush) developed this way, so did the chinese and japanese econimies
(with their initially inferior products, that have now improved and
are coveted by the rest of the world).
On this premise, it is safe to agree with donald trump and apply the
same doctrine to ourselves: "Make Nigeria great ... again and again
and again ... "
Obviously, from the pictures, the "sophisticated technologies" that we
are told are required is actually an illusion to keep production away
from the people, using irrelevant fake "statues" and "regulations."
But then, as indicated in the suggestions for execution, the
production can be improved by the improvements that will follow.
Instead, they are sending force to destroy what is patently a strong
productive drive (to which Nigerians, regardless of the danger, are
putting their energies) that is developing outside of government
suffocation. If we remember, according to the report, the logistics of
a million litres of anything, should have alerted the government
operatives (if they have any thought at all) that they are dealing
with homegrown capacity that is not only substantial, but that can be
even bigger, if nurtured appropriately instead of being destroyed
Granted that the so-called government itself has admitted repeatedly
that it is unable to obtain refineries it refuses to build, the home
grown production capacity developing should have been its lifeline to
generate local production to supplement the parasitic situation to
which Nigerians have been held hostage for over 50 years now.
But then, if we don't get "carried away," what hope is there for the
future of our unborn generations, if we don't set foundations for
them?
Those who have ears ...
O.E.
Bolaji Aluko-
" ... I hope that we can have a reality check when it comes to this
issue of "illegal refineries" ... "" ... Clearly, to legalize the
refineries, the profit-motive which they now enjoy is most likely to
become less - but maybe not?..."
Very insightful statements that point at a desire for building
prosperity, as different from "fighting" poverty.
The reality is that there are certain realities happening in the lives
of ordinary Nigerians:
1. No light ... in a country that boasts of the most highly educated
demography in the world.2. Petroleum products that are chronically
inadequate in a market that is chaffing at the bit for products and
services. In other words, artificially created shortages.3. No jobs4.
A creative and driven population, that is trying to produce (ab
initio) what should ordinarily be accessible to them.
Nigerians are therefore offering to their government:5. The
development of capacity that can be leveraged to guarantee supply and
therefore that can be very profitable, given the demand in the
market6. The development of substantial logistics of scale (1 million
gallons) 7. A potential production tax base for a responsible
government8. A veritable arena for the educated manpower to be applied
profitably and productively, especially in upstream, side-stream and
downstream contexts9. The development of value chains of
prosperity.10. The opportunity for governments at all levels to begin
learning to negotiate their IGR on the basis of fostering prosperity.
This has been a serious threat to the unity and prosperity of the
country as we already know.
Any responsible government would normally see these as opportunities
to take credit for enabling creativity and production by the people
for the people.
But the reality created by the demon parasites in successive Nigerian
governments is:11. The deepening of hopelessness and the elevation of
the worst form of abject mediocrity
12. The increasingly closing doors to any form of creative and
productive behavior by a government that refuses to even consider
anything productive.13. Successive governments that have abrogated
their responsibility to ensure a supportive environment for production
In other words because of irresponsibility (that we know is being
driven by the twin demons of abrahamic religions and incapacitating
anti-self "education") on the part of government leaders and
operatives (especially the so-called political and military "elite"
who are actually demon parasites), there is relatively infinitesimal
production in the face of relatively infinite demand.
This is coupled with successive governments, manned by the most
parasitic demons, that are actually committing treason against the
people they are supposed to serve.
But most importantly is that the people are beginning to "grow" their
own capacities to satisfy a market that the demon parasites refuse to
recognize.
Thus, the very easily executable steps proffered:
(1) register the would-be refiners (2) legalize the process for
purchase of crude; (3) standardize the output of the refining (4)
ensure the safety of the operations and disposal of waste (ensuring
safety to workers and to citizens in the neighborhood) (5) tax them
(in order to provide safety, roads, enabling environments, etc.)
These can be done in less than 16 weeks for the first cohort, by
responsible people in government, through policy development and
training for all those involved that come forward. The cost for this
work alone is less than chicken change for the government. In other
words they can get the funding from contingency allocations, and not
even feel it at all.
To these, it is safe to add: (6). Give some oil blocks to those who
would supply this market and provide incentives for some to shift some
of their supply to this market, especially those who have some mining
capacity that can be upgraded to supply these producers. (7). Use
government financial and banking instruments to encourage the movement
of venture capital into this arena. (8). Give them ten years to
improve and fully mainstream into the market . (8). However work
actively with them to reach those standards set for us by us (in
collaboration and agreement between these producers and government)
that respond to our needs (example: some individual operations may not
be able to do this on their own. Encourage them to coalesce to some
scale level, show and support them to share their returns through
equitable - input based - proportions), not the dictates of parasites
from abroad. (9). Solicit their help in mainstreaming others that
may want to enter into production for the next five years and create a
critical mass of production and producers that will provide government
with a producing constituency, to allow them resist the ongoing and
extremely disabling parasitic manipulations from outside (10). The
tax enables government support for their mainstreaming. In other
words, it should not cost the governments (at all levels) to do these
things in the medium and long run.
Actually, as indicated, this approach would allow the producers to
really focus on production, safety and supply, ensuring profits that
can be guaranteed to expand exponentially for the foreseeable future.
The thing is to expedite and fast forward these capacitation processes
and set them up to support and defend their own prosperity, so that
the government can resist the pressures from outside.
These would be the natural interactions with the people, especially if
appropriately executed to ensure profitable returns (the desire of
which was expressed in your response) for the operators.
If we look at the history of any form of development (especially home
grown development, which is actually the best form of development,
because it is responding to needs), this is how it occurs. Market
generates demand, creativity generates supply, regulations generate
and facilitate quality and quantity improvement and distribution.
The american economy (including the texas oil industry and the gold
rush) developed this way, so did the chinese and japanese econimies
(with their initially inferior products, that have now improved and
are coveted by the rest of the world).
On this premise, it is safe to agree with donald trump and apply the
same doctrine to ourselves: "Make Nigeria great ... again and again
and again ... "
Obviously, from the pictures, the "sophisticated technologies" that we
are told are required is actually an illusion to keep production away
from the people, using irrelevant fake "statues" and "regulations."
But then, as indicated in the suggestions for execution, the
production can be improved by the improvements that will follow.
Instead, they are sending force to destroy what is patently a strong
productive drive (to which Nigerians, regardless of the danger, are
putting their energies) that is developing outside of government
suffocation. If we remember, according to the report, the logistics of
a million litres of anything, should have alerted the government
operatives (if they have any thought at all) that they are dealing
with homegrown capacity that is not only substantial, but that can be
even bigger, if nurtured appropriately instead of being destroyed
Granted that the so-called government itself has admitted repeatedly
that it is unable to obtain refineries it refuses to build, the home
grown production capacity developing should have been its lifeline to
generate local production to supplement the parasitic situation to
which Nigerians have been held hostage for over 50 years now.
But then, if we don't get "carried away," what hope is there for the
future of our unborn generations, if we don't set foundations for
them?
Those who have ears ...
O.E.
From: Mobolaji Aluko <alukome@gmail.com>
To: naijaintellects <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] Navy Destroys Illegal Refinery With
1.5m Litres Of Diesel In PH
O.E.
I hope that we can have a reality check when it comes to this issue of
"illegal refineries", so that we don't get carried away.
Their "illegality" is not only about the un-licensed nature of the
refinery, but that the CRUDE oil is obtained "illegally" - that is
either stolen ("tapped") directly from the official pipeline, or (less
likely) purchased from "illegal" crude oil sellers.
So to "legalize" them, we would have to:
(1) register the would-be refiners (2) legalize the purchase of
crude; (3) standardize the output of the refining (4) ensure the
safety of the operations and disposal of waste (ensuring safety to
workers and to citizens in the neighborhood) (5) tax them (in order
to provide safety, roads, etc.)
Clearly, to legalize the refineries, the profit-motive which they now
enjoy is most likely to become less - but maybe not?
Bolaji Aluko
QUOTE
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/
Nigeria's Illegal Oil Refineries
- ALAN TAYLOR
- JAN 15, 2013
- 30 PHOTOS
- IN FOCUS
Reuters photographer Akintunde Akinleye recently gained rare access to
an illegal oil refinery near the river Nun in Nigeria's oil state of
Bayelsa. There, he was able to document the secret and dangerous
practice of oil bunkering, where locals hack into oil pipelines, steal
the crude oil, and refine or sell it abroad. For over 50 years now,
crude oil and natural gas have been extracted from the Niger Delta by
large corporations, which have had their share of environmental
disasters. The ongoing damage from the tapped pipes and these
makeshift refineries continue to take a terrible toll on the
environment and the local population. See also "Nigeria: The Cost of
Oil" from 2011..........Thousands of people in Nigeria engage in a
practice known locally as "oil bunkering" - hacking into pipelines to
steal crude then refining it or selling it abroad. The practice, which
leaves oil spewing from pipelines for miles around, managed to lift
around a fifth of Nigeria's two million barrel a day production last
year according to the finance ministry. #
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n06_RTR3CGTS/main_1200.jpg?1420511152
Men work at an illegal oil refinery site near river Nun in Bayelsa
State, on November 27, 2012. #
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n10_RTR3CGYN/main_1200.jpg?1420511154
A worker pours crude oil into a locally made burner using a funnel at
an illegal oil refinery in Bayelsa State, on November 25, 2012.
#UNQUOTE
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:37 PM, maxima1757 via naijaintellects
<naijaintellects@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Despite the efforts of demon parasites in government to make sure life
for ordinary Nigerians is impossible, Nigerian ingenuity and drive
shows through all the time, including providing for themselves where
government should have been leading.
But then, these denizens of impenetrable darkness are so evil and
demonic that they cannot even see a source of revenue for the
government, especially where they have refused to make the local
refineries work, or build new ones, despite Nigerian children
graduating from Nigerian universities with engineering schools,
especially petroleum engineering and technology.
The existence of an "illegal" refinery with as much as 1 million
liters of diesel indicates that Nigerians have the capacity to produce
these things without recourse to the usual culprits (what used to be
called the seven sisters). But instead of supporting, enhancing and
mainstreaming this capacity, these demon parasite locust so called
"leaders," who are actually agents of international conspiracy of hell
against the human race, are doing everything to kill it.
A borderline intelligent person will tax these entities and let them
mainstream their systems through compliance with standards that are
designed to enhance their ability to acquire input and produce safe
outputs, so that eventually, Nigerians are not held hostage by these
demonic cabals of locust parasites. A real government will do the
same.
The same demon parasites have indicated that they could not find
refineries to buy outside. Nigerians are producing these refineries by
themselves. Instead of enabling these systems to become safe and
normal, they are sabotaging the human spirit of creative solutions,
sending force (a totally corrupt navy) to destroy the production
capacities they refuse to develop.
This is an indication that Nigeria desperately needs a robespierre
phenomenon to cleanse out these demon parasite locusts.
And it is written: "And they and their generations shall never know
good or peace or pleasure, for they and their unborn generations are
cursed for all eternity."
Those who have ears ...
O.E.
From: Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD <otitigbe@oviri.com.ar>
To: "naijaintellects@googlegroups. com" <naijaintellects@googlegroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] Navy Destroys Illegal Refinery With
1.5m Litres Of Diesel In PH
What a cursed nation?How can this be in a coutnry that is badly in
need of energy?It is evident that oil companies have bought the souls
of Nigerian leader.
Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD
The Okatakye of AfricaFlorida. Buenos AiresArgentina
From: naijaintellects@googlegroups. com <naijaintellects@googlegroups.
com> on behalf of Tim Elombah <elstimmy@gmail.com>
Sent: 31 March 2017 21:40:43
To: naijaintellects
Subject: [Naijaintellects] Navy Destroys Illegal Refinery With 1.5m
Litres Of Diesel In PH
Navy Destroys Illegal Refinery With 1.5m Litres Of Diesel In PH
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