Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra

That Biafra was birthed in the context of war is an incontestable fact of history.

Nzegwu and his colleagues NEVER mentioned Biafra in the manifesto of their 'revolution.'

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From: Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com>

Date: 14/06/2017 19:26 (GMT+00:00)

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra

On Igbo Presidency and Plurality of Igbo Perspectives on Biafra

The Igbo Presidency vision is far from the Biafra dream. An Igbo Nigerian President remains bound by the same strictures that make Nigeria a structurally failed state. 

Igbo ethnicity is not equatable with the Biafra vision. Some Igbos want to remain in Nigeria, and would be happy with an Igbo Presidency. Some Igbos want to remain in Nigeria but demand a restructuring of the nation. Some insist that  failing restructuring, secession must follow. Some are convinced that all avenues have been exhausted  and secession is the only option left. Some hold that the secession demand is a way to get restructuring, being the lesser evil in the minds of those who want to uphold the status quo. Others hold that only secession is acceptable in any circumstances.

We should read what pro-Biafra advocates think  and see what they have to say for themselves.

For those who wish to read these debates among Igbos  for and agst Biafra, you could see Chidimma Egwuenu's Facebook status update of 9th June 2017 and the responses to the post.

The general view, though, seems to be that the political elite in general and the right wing Hausa-Fulani in particular, do want restructuring, talk less secession, bcs the current system is working well for them. The attorney general has made it clear that restructuring is not on the table.

I dont see the Biafra vision dying in the absence of radical changes in the name of equity in the political/economic and social structuring of Nigeria.

I wont repeat myself on the difference btw the current SE govt and the Biafra vision bcs I have made the point sufficientely and dont want to fall into the trap of debates that make no progress.

On the Strategies of Pro-Biafra Groups

Even though the dominant pro-Biafra group, IPOB uses only non-violent methods, and the other groups have hardly recorded any violent action, critics of the Biafra vision keep invoking war in connection with the contemporary struggle for Biafra.

The IPOB leader was imprisoned for two years by the Buhari govt  but his supporters restricted themselves to peaceful protests even after being massacred in cold blood by the army while praying in a church.

During the GEJ era, bodies of people who may have members of a pro-Biafra group were found floating in a river in the SE but no violent action was taken in retaliation.

Members of a pro-Biafra group, if I recall correctly, were arrested for trying to hold up a radio station during the GEJ era, that being the most violent act I have read being committed by any of these groups.

What has placed Biafra in the national conversation is the risk Kanu took in making himself available for imprisonment by the Nigerian authorities, 'bait' which they took, and remaining in prison for two years. He thus moved from being a relatively unknown factor to a central player.

The 30th May sit-at-home demonstration by SE Igbos suggests that the bail conditions attached to his release might be meaningless since he does nor even need to leave his house to effect broad ranging action.

With the sit-at-home, a powerful force has been tapped, the same that Gandhi used in India and Martin Luther King jr in the US.

To what degree can the pro-Biafra goups effect secession through the democratic process, involving possibly involving amending the constitution to allow for secession, since there is described to be no provision for secession in the constitution?  What are the chances of even the restructuring camp achieving their goals? Are the political elite on board with these aspirations? Can they be brought on board? What about the alleged numerical superiority of the North in the legislative houses described as achieved through manipulation of local council allocations and census figures, enabling the voting block to shut down proposals they dont approve of? On account of the vocal and consistent resistance of the North to either restructuring or secession, what would be the way out in the ensuing legislative deadlock?

So say that whatever other regions say, the only way the North will allow either restructuring or secession is if they are forced to do so bcs they are ready to go to war to prevent either. The IG of police responded to the Biafra remembrance day sit at home  by issuing  threats  agst  any disruptors  of the peace. The Kaduna Declaration tried to decelerate or stop the Biafra momentum through the illegal and ridiculous action of giving Igbos a 3 month deadline to leave the North, after which their huge material investments there will be forfeited and all Northerners-whose investments in the East might not be equal that of half of Igbos in the North-to leave the East.

I anticipate more muscle flexing from the fed govt and the Muslim North. I expect IPOB will proceed to apply its nonviolent methods of asserting power in such a way that its members can't be targeted as they have been before now in the previous massacre of its members by the army, civil disobedience techniques like the sit at home and the projected (?)  boycotting of the Anambra elections, perhaps to delegitimize political activity in the SE under the present arrangement and eventually force acceptance of their vision and a referendum through the force of the sheer nos responding favorably to their calls for civil disobedience. Will the Kaduna Declaration slow down or eliminate this strategy out of fear of huge displacement and massive economic loss by Igbos in the North?  What options are available to make the secession option less attractive, apart from  strategies of intimidation? Some are suggesting an Igbo Presidency even though the 2019 Presidency is locked into the North through the zoning by  both PDP and APC, the two major parties. Voices for restructuring may be seen as  increasing in volume among Ndigbo after the Kaduna Declaration but even restructuring is declared a no go area by the fed govt.

On Political Office and Political Power

Is political power exercised purely by placing people in particular positions? What is the level of power that can be exercised by those position?

What is one to say in this context about  the 2017 budget? Was it not signed by Osinbajo, the VP from the SW?  Did it not pass through Saraki, the Senate President from Kwara state, though a region Islamised by the Fulani Jihad? Is the description of half of the budget as allocated to the North Central a fiction? Why did the reps from all other regions not cry out?  I am still assessing how factual this chart is, but here it is for your examination-

                                                       
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Why did Buhari's letter to the legislature indicating his going on leave describe Osinbajo as coordinator of the economy and not acting president? Why is Buhari's health status a closely guarded secret in the face of obvious fears of the repeat of a GEJ-Yaradua scenario after all the terrible effort made-from providing ideological and perhaps material and logistical support to Boko Haram to Shettima's enabling of the Chibok kidnap saga by keeping that remote school open agst fed govt orders to the Buhari repackaging through the APC alliance to the Northernisation of the leadership of all security agencies and INEC- all to achieve the post 2011 mantra of "power must return to the North?"

While you happily celebrate your country where all works well or has institutions that enable things work well, I expect Osinbajo and his family are on 24/7 prayer for his life since fate has placed him in the eye of the vampires who could stop at nothing to make sure he does not replace their anointed son or their ethnic allocation and the benefits it provides for them, whatever the constitution says abt the VP replacing an incapacitated President.

On the Untouchable Status of Fulani Herdsmen, the Advance Guard of Fulani Terrorism

Have you read Osinbajo or Saraki having anything  or anything substantial to say about the so called herdsmen, talk less taking action to permanently stop their murderous  activities ? Everyone knows what they stand for and so most political players keep their peace bcs they want to survive.

Even people like senator Ben Bruce who used to make proposals about how to address the problem have fallen silent after the Hausa-Fulani politicians, apexed by national ruler Buhari made clear their alliance with the terror group through action and eloquent inaction and silence in the face of the massacres committed and openly justified by the terrorists.  It took Fayose to initiate the self help strategies represented by state controlled militia and state enacted laws  that are the first answer to the problem, a move other states are emulating

 It is under the noses of Osinbajo, Saraki, Ekweremadu and others that grass was imported to pacify the vampires by feeding their cows and efforts were made to seize lands across the nation to ranch these cows after the failure of the effort to seize land across the nation to create grazing routes for these private business people whose ethnic kin dominate much of the Nigerian political space.

 I wonder if you are not aware of these developments.

​thanks

toyin​

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On 14 June 2017 at 16:34, Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ken.

Devolution in Scotland is the half way solution to PREVENT separation.  

About half of Scots did not believe in separation and that was why the referendum was held.  (SNP lost even more seats to the Conservatives in Scotland in the just concluded elections including Salman who supervised the referendum)

The result of the last general election in the past few weeks now indicate that even FEWER Scots now believe in outright separation than at the time of the referendum. (SNP lost more seats to the Conservatives in Scotland including Salman the Scottish First Minister who organised the referendum.

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Date: 12/06/2017 00:59 (GMT+00:00)

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra

Segun, scotland can legally separate through devolution, can't it? Is that an option for biafra?

Other similar questions for quebec, and for northern ireland. aren't they different, legally?

ken

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From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com>
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Date: Sunday, 11 June 2017 at 22:03
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra

Toyin, 

Is there no better means to achieve true federalism without violence? The Ndigbo have their representatives in the National Assembly, why can't they use a democratic means similar to that of the Scottish in the UK? 

They should go through the constitutional means and use relevant provisions of the constitution to justify their reasonable demand. 

It is better to live in peace or separate, if need be in peace. But it is beautiful to be together as one Nigeria. 

We should note that the Igbos that are agitating for the independence of Biafra are probably doing so to be politically relevant. Experience has shown that once their leaders have become politically relevant and  become part of political office holders, they usually throw up their initial ambition into the air and  another group resurfaces. 

SO

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On Jun 11, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

The Biafra vision is trans-Igbo in its ideological fundamentals but is Igbo in its practical expression.

The SW political elite have previously been the primary advocates of restructuring the nation's political and economic organization to allow for the independence of its constituent units rather than the current crippling dominance from the centre and the debilitating dependence on the mono-economy represented by Niger Delta oil but the previously loudest voices from  that region have been muted since they succeeded in entering Aso Rock through the vice-presidency of Yemi Osinbajo, silence inspired by   their Hausa-Fulani allies who have consistently voiced their resistance to reworking the political and economic organization of the nation.

It has therefore fallen to the largely Igbo pro-Biafra agitators,  pursuing the secession vision of the reworking of Nigeria, to struggle for a social structure  that is shaped in the interests of its citizens, not the interests of colonial master Britain who created the dysfunctional nation and the right wing Muslim North, who have succeeded in bleeding the nation through various structural controls, from multiplication of local governments in their region as opposed to other regions as a means of attracting federal revenue and the establishing of ridiculously low cut off marks as opposed to high cut off marks for other regions in entrance exams to schools and universities, breeding a culture of mediocrity.

Do you want a country where you and your descendants are empowered to actualize their potential,where excellence is central in the quest for education and job placements, where you will be free from Fulani terrorism as the nomadic advance  guard of terrorists run cows across your schools and farms, attacking and killing any who oppose the destruction of their lives and property by such  atavistic lifestyles?

Do you want a nation in which the parasitic, initiative deadening culture of  flow of oil from the Niger Delta to the federal centre and its distribution to the regions as the central economic activity is terminated,  as each region or nation  struggles to build its own economic structure, taking the country into industrialization, attracting back to Nigeria or nations created from the older country  citizens across the world who have fled to other nations because  their own country is asphyxiating to human development?

If you do, join the Biafra secession struggle or the restructuring struggle. Taking refuge in castigating the Biafra struggle as it champions freedom from slavery is equivalent to sustaining your  own   slavery in the killing fields of Nigeria, where the  massacres of thousands, murderous colonization initiatives  exemplified by the massacres in Agatu in the Middle Belt  and Nimbo in the South East,  by the militia/politician network of Fulani terrorists,who remain free to walk  the land even as they boldly and loudly justify their massacres of communities, demonstrates your status as worse than that of second class citizens, being that of sub-humans whose lives are at the mercy of  their murderous masters.

thanks

toyin

On 11 June 2017 at 19:28, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

The contemporary struggle for Biafra is anchored on the conviction that Nigeria, as it is presently constituted, is a failure  that stunts the development of its citizens and only the self determination of its constituent units can assure the development of adequate human value.

On 11 June 2017 at 06:57, Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Speak only for your jaundiced self as Obi Nwakama and not for the Igbo.  I have more Igbo real friends than you do!"

-Olayinka Agbetuyi

Agbetuyi:

I am going to make this my very last statement on this round of talk on Biafra because, not unexpectedly it did quickly degenerate into school-yard antics. It has become predictable, circular and boring. When people cannot deploy coherent argument, or when they enter slippery zones where they have nothing better to say, they resort to blackmail and name calling. You want to bully me with the age of you sister. I do not give a shit how old you are, or how old your sister is. Age alone does not confer regard, integrity and wisdom, none of which, I'm sorry to say, you have demonstrated, do. You have for instance not defined how it is that my argument is frivolous. Is it because I reminded you of your tendency to invoke carnage on the Igbo when they seek justice? Yet I am the one who is a "laughing stock." I do not know who is laughing, and who is the "stock." But this cliché is deployed to silence those who speak to things that are either beyond your comprehension, or that frighten you. There are two kinds of laughter: there is the laugher of the fool who laughs because he dos not know when to laugh, and there is also the laughter of the inebriated, who has a compulsion disorder at that point of over excitement. And so you can laugh all you want, if it makes you happy to think that Obi Nwakanma is a "laughing stock" in your forum. I mean, you must have clearly taken opinion samples from members of this forum to come to this claim.  it is all in character of course, that you either do not know the exact meaning of the terms you use, or you are as often as it is true remarkably full of beans. But what do you expect of people who could call Ojukwu a "coward": a man fights a war, goes into exile, returns to great acclaim, and sits "gidigbam" in the capital city on his return, and never stopped talking, never pulled punches, and never hid behind the veil of silence. When all the Generals who fought him saw him, they often stood in attention to salute him or otherwise fled from him. If such a man were a coward, then "cowardice" has a different meaning. But of course, the Agbetuyi's and the like, because they need to feel happy with themselves call Ojukwu a "coward," Obi Nwakanma, some "laughing stock," and Achuzia, "self-acclaimed war lord." You think you can really bully me with such verbal blackmail? Who gives a shit what you think? What you think does not really count where it matters most.

And please, do not insult the word "friendship." You have no Igbo friends. You have "Igboanguish" - its a form of a Nigerian national anxiety disorder; the same that affects redneck neighborhoods in the American south when it comes to African-Americans. You'd see the most racist of such say, "I have black friends." If you have Igbo friends, you wouldn't say it; there is nothing special in having Igbo friends, and the very fact that you mark them as "Igbo friends" speaks to the real issue here. I'd be unable to help you. You need to consult a shrink to deal with this depth of the unheimlich. You must stop thinking about Igbo bodies trucked home for burial because they protest. Period. The Igbo have articulated the very basis of their demands: that Nigeria must begin to treat all Nigerians with equality. The Igbo suffer disproportionately in the Nigerian enterprise - by all the indices that they have deployed in their complaints which I will not rehash here. But at the core of Igbo demand is the equality of citizenship. No Nigerian must be discriminated against wherever they reside in Nigeria. No section of Nigeria must be favored to the deficit of any part. In other words, all policy of development must be based on the human index and the human factor, not on the geographical. Public service must be transparent, etc. The Igbo understand that they have to lead the charge in the transformation of Nigeria, as they did in the anti-colonial movement, for the restoration of the equal rights of citizenship. But now hear you: "the Igbo complain too much, everybody is marginalized. They should shut up!" I am paraphrasing you. But the Igbo have never asked you not to protest; nor have they suggested that you be killed and your body parts be recovered from across Nigeria for seeking social justice. These are your very words: "Why is the case of Igbo unique and why must a section of the Igbo continually blackmail the rest of Nigeria with secession to wrest more than their just due from the federation?" This statement eerily echoes that which feeds the impulsion to genocide, whether it was by what was said of the Jews in Europe- before their expulsion from Spain or by the Nazi pogrom, or with the Tutsis in Rwanda, before their systematic slaughter. But you do not have the emotional intelligence to get even the subtle hints made by Ken Harrow or Chidi. Yet I am the laughing stock. And if you care to follow the responses to this question about Biafra and the conclusion of the war - you'd immediately notice that it follows a known and predictable pattern. It is often by the same people, from the same section of the forum and of the nation. These folk suffer from extreme forms of the anxiety called "Igboanguish." They feel rattled by the fact that the Igbo want equal rights and justice: how dare these "conquered" or "vanquished" Igbo who "surrendered" their rights?, you guys ask. This monomanic compulsion to contain the Igbo is the reason why the Igbo want out. There is your answer. But why do you want to live with the Igbo in the same country? You don't like them. You feel threatened by their presence. You can rid yourself of this Igbo problem by writing to your rep in the National Assembly to support the Act of referendum to determine the choice for secession. That is the democratic and civilized thing to do. Not blackmail the Igbo with the threat of slaughter. Once the Igbo have their own country, you may now turn back any of the buses that you see leaving the East daily towards the West at your borders. You can then also not only restrict their entry, but legitimately expel them, and through visa regulations make certain that the Igbo vermin no longer infests your neighborhood. But for as long as they are part of the same country, their rights to disperse and settle, and enjoy all the rights of citizenship must never be denied them. That's their just due. You cannot want the Igbo and not want them at the same time. There are many Igbo in this forum who keep silent, and watch, and do not bother to respond to the inanities of this obsessive anti-Igbo lynch mob. I do not speak for them. I speak on the simple premise that I have something to say, and that I will follow the Achebean injunction to "balance the stories," so that years from now, if anybody ever finds cause to read these exchanges, they will know who actually is the "laughing stock," and that yours is not the single story. In other words, I write this for my grand children. But I too have become too bored with its circularity. I shall have nothing more to say o this subject until another round of lies that needs to be corrected surfaces. And there you have it.

Obi Nwakanma

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Obi:

Let me be forthright with you:  You are rhe same age as my youngest sister who holds the same doctorate degree as you do and if she argues in the same vacuous way that you do she knows I would disown her. Agbetuyis dont argue like babies.  

You debase the qualifications you hold with the irresponsible line of argument you pursue which has made you the laughing stock of the forum.  I tried my best to shield you from attack by exasperated members but you are your own worst enemy.

Did you read the piece byJibrin

Ibrahim on perception of marginalization by ethnicities in Nigeria?  Why is the case of Igbo unique and why must a section of the Igbo continually blackmail the rest of Nigeria with secession to wrest more than their just due from the federation. 

 I repeat any such Igbo must feel free to withraw to Igboland to continue to deal only with fellow Igbo and leave the other responsible Igbo who realize that living is a question of give and take with other people to continue with their livelihoods in any part of Nigeria in a spirit of give and take.

If there is any act of violence against the persons of such Igbo I can guarantee that we the conscientious non Igbo will be their first line of defence and that they dont need such bigoted, prebendal, self-seeking, pretencious, ethnic jingoist and rabble rousers as yourself as champions of their interests.  

Speak only for your jaundiced self as Obi Nwakama and not for the Igbo.  I have more Igbo real friends than you do!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Rex Marinus <rexmarinus@hotmail.com>

Date: 10/06/2017 06:59 (GMT+00:00)

To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Achuzia and Realuzation of Biafra

Agbetuyi, you did not get the hint of reproach in Chidi and Ken Harrow's retort. The first thing that comes to your mind when the Igbo protest, or raise a voice to complain about their situation, is Igbo bodies slaughtered across Nigeria and trucked back to the East. Why do you conceive of that kind of carnage when it comes to the Igbo? Why do you have to kill the Igbo for political speech, for asking for justice, or for actually asking for recognition of the equality of all Nigerians failing which separation? Why is it that the only Igbo who has to stay alive in your mind is the silent Igbo, or the prostrate Igbo, or the malleable Igbo, or the Igbo who is merely "photo-on-the wall"? Now you say, "Amen!" But "Amen!" to what? To a Freudian slip? I will only ask you to be very careful with what you wish for. The Igbo are very angry and are not looking again to be slaughtered. We must make every effort to allow peace, secure it, and avoid every urge to engage in slaughter, so that we do not open the kind of dangerous floodgate Ken Harrow has alluded to. You must note this however: the Igbo are not willing to live in Nigeria as "conquered" people, or people who "surrendered" their rights with war. If seeking justice in Nigeria means  slaughter of the Igbo, then you must gird your loins with hardier cloth, and you must be prepared to kill them all. But I just hope that more civilized, more humane, and more tolerant impulses prevail, and not the impulses that dream about scattered Igbo body parts ferried home for burials. 

Obi Nwakanma

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Amen!

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From: Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com>

Date: 09/06/2017 22:39 (GMT+00:00)

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(Peaceful)separatist agitations don't have to result to people being slaughtered.

CAO.

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