---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng>
Date: 15 February 2011 at 19:44
Subject: Re: [WoleSoyinkaSociety] Fwd: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
To: WoleSoyinkaSociety@yahoogroups.com
>> SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you brother. I will read the book.I thought the chap's name was
>> Paul
>> Dirac?
>>
>> That conversation with my critic is on a physics listerve so I expect
>> some physicists will read it.
>>
>> Abiola Irele has a keen interest in science education and has mentioned
>> here that the university is planing an interface with innovators who
>> might
>> be outside the university or similar institutional structures. It would
>> be
>> good if we on the group are able to get feedback on such initiatives.
>>
>> toyin
>>
>> On 14 February 2011 16:40, augustine togonu-bickersteth <
>> augustine308@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyin I think you have already read The stangest Man by Graham
>>> Farmelo on the Life and Times of Maurice Dirac one of the Co founders
>>> of
>>> Quantum Mechanics.If you have not maybe you would like to read it.
>>> Costa
>>> Award winner "2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ZKVITZXyY
>>>
>>> you should get Physics students and Physicists to folow your
>>> deliberations. I have also read the trouble with Physics.I hope it
>>> would
>>> translate into some good thngs for the Physics Deparment Kwara State
>>> University.
>>> Regards Augustine
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com>
>>> *To:* WoleSoyinkaSociety@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Mon, 14 February, 2011 12:29:59
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WoleSoyinkaSociety] Fwd: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY,
>>> SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Prof. Irele. I will read Smolin.
>>> All the best
>>> toyin
>>>
>>> On 13 February 2011 20:17, <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Toyin,
>>>>
>>>> I've just read Lee Smolin's "The Problem with Physics," a challenging
>>>> book
>>>> if ever there was one. But one thing I took away was the patient
>>>> effort
>>>> of
>>>> nderstanding of alternative approaches to physics and science
>>>> generally
>>>> that he he demonstrates. Smolin does particle physics and is
>>>> uncomfortable
>>>> with string theory, of which the book is largely an extended critique.
>>>> But
>>>> he is never as categorical and cocksure as this individual who thinks
>>>> he
>>>> knows it all.
>>>>
>>>> And by the way, as I point out, Bergson and Bachelard uhnderlie much
>>>> of
>>>> Senghor's epistemomology and vision of the world.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to follow up the references re Negritude.
>>>>
>>>> And I'll look forward to your review of my book.
>>>>
>>>> All best.
>>>>
>>>> Irele
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for the question, Prof.Irele.
>>>> >
>>>> > Goodey is responding to my review of Walter Moore's biography of the
>>>> > pioneering physicist Erwin Schrodinger , one of the founders of
>>>> quantum
>>>> > theory and of wave mechanics.
>>>> >
>>>> > Goodey is dismissive of my correlating the metaphorical use of the
>>>> concept
>>>> > of waves in that theory with Senghor's use of the image of waves in
>>>> his
>>>> > metaphysics and epistemology and my effort to correlate these
>>>> conjunctions
>>>> > with the figure of the Yoruba deity Esu inspired by the comparison
>>>> of
>>>> > ideas
>>>> > associated with Esu with conceptions of fields of force and
>>>> indeterminacy
>>>> > in modern physics in your essay "The African Scholar".
>>>> >
>>>> > Goody and I have exchanged more mails where he has expressed his
>>>> scorn
>>>> for
>>>> > such correlations with further zeal.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have already composed the section of my response that debunks his
>>>> notion
>>>> > that physics does not contain images.The section I am still working
>>>> on
>>>> is
>>>> > the Senghorian/Esu/physics correlation in terms of conceptions of
>>>> > metaphorical thinking, while taking note of the differences between
>>>> the
>>>> > metaphysical and epistemic domains represented by Senghorian
>>>> > philosophy,
>>>> > modern physics and Orisa mythology and philosophy.
>>>> >
>>>> > I wrote the Schrodinger review after reading the book in an effort
>>>> to
>>>> > corroborate certain points I made in a review of your collection of
>>>> > essays
>>>> > on Negritude, *The Negritude Moment,* published this year. I will
>>>> post
>>>> the
>>>> > review soon. I wont pretend to have read the whole book .I consider
>>>> the
>>>> > review a preliminary review that surveys the content of the book,
>>>> compares
>>>> > it with other writings of yours and presents what I expect to
>>>> experience
>>>> > in
>>>> > a detailed reading.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope to do another review after reading the book word for word and
>>>> > possibly a third review that examines the book in relation to
>>>> > recentreexaminations of
>>>> > Negritude<
>>>> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~db=all~content=g920366021 >
>>>>
>>>> > as
>>>> > in the journal Third
>>>> > Text<http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~content=t713448411~db=all >,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > which is among the journals to which Routledge is providing free
>>>> > access<http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/artaccess/ >till the end of
>>>>
>>>> > February.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> > Toyin
>>>> >
>>>> > On 13 February 2011 18:39, <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What book is this gentleman talking about?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Irele
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >> > From: Thomas Goodey <thomas@flyingkettle.com>
>>>> >> > Date: 6 February 2011 15:07
>>>> >> > Subject: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE AND HEART OF
>>>> ERWIN
>>>> >> > SCHRODINGER
>>>> >> > To: Physics_Frontier@yahoogroups.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 6 Feb 2011 at 13:45, toyin adepoju wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Senghorian philosophical cosmology and Schrodinger's scientific
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> thought are related through the image of waves as demonstrating
>>>> >> >> fundamental relationships between forms of being.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Look, real physics is not images.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> What can the similarities [be] between the Senghorian
>>>> philosophical
>>>> >> >> conception and Schrodinger's scientific concept of wave
>>>> mechanics
>>>> as
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> describing the fundamental character and behaviour of sub atomic
>>>> >> forms
>>>> >> >> demonstrate about the implications of convergences between
>>>> >> >> philosophical, religious and scientific cosmology?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > There can't be any significant similarities. Schrodinger's
>>>> physical
>>>> >> > concept is based upon very abstruse mathematics and physical
>>>> >> > theorization, and ultimately, upon a great mass of exact
>>>> experimental
>>>> >> > results achieved by many many people at great expense. It is one
>>>> of
>>>> >> > the highest achievements of the human mind. But I suppose that
>>>> the
>>>> >> > "Senghorian philosophical conception", which I have no time or
>>>> >> > inclination to learn anything about, is just vague bullshitting
>>>> >> > without any numbers or concrete predictions.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In other words, Schrodinger's theory is science, Senghor's is
>>>> not.
>>>> >> > There is no similarity.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > And this is worse:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> This question is suggested by Irelefs description in gThe
>>>> African
>>>> >> >> Scholarh of a possible correlation between mythic, philosophical
>>>> and
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> scientific cosmologies that foreground ambiguity, plurality and
>>>> >> >> dynamism as embodied in the ambiguity and dynamism of the mythic
>>>> >> >> figure of the Orisa tradition Esu who demonstrates temporal,
>>>> material
>>>> >> >> and cognitive ambiguities, transformations and liminalities.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Leave physics out of such nonsensical rubbish. Physicists do real
>>>> >> > things.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As for the book, which looks pretty good, I think that $40 for a
>>>> >> > reprint paperback is outrageous.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thomas Goodey
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > *********************************
>>>> >> > The introduction of a multiplicity
>>>> >> > of objectives into a problem not
>>>> >> > only destroys its unity, but also
>>>> >> > increases markedly both the
>>>> >> > time necessary for, and the
>>>> >> > actual personal danger involved
>>>> >> > in, its solution.
>>>> >> > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
From: <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng>
Date: 15 February 2011 at 19:44
Subject: Re: [WoleSoyinkaSociety] Fwd: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
To: WoleSoyinkaSociety@yahoogroups.com
I'm happy to say that at Kwara State. we're currently setting up a project
for a College of Engineering and Technology that will also embrace
aviation. The Provost of the College is Professor Leo Daniel, a Nigerian
who currently teaches at MIT. We also have Professor Wole Soboyejo of
Princeton as a consultant to the project.
We also plan to start a course next year on the History of Science as part
of our General Studies Programme, in an effort to make our students aware
of the interconnections between Science and the Humanities.
Hopefully this will be a modest start to what we expect be to an
innovative approach to resolving the problem that C.P. Snow described as
that of the two cultures--a problem that I think he exaggerated.
Irele
> Thanks for the encouragement.
> Happily, I will be quoting physicists who incorporate very clear
> references
> to the humanities in their pioneering work.
> As for Kwara Sate University, Abiola Irele is listening and may be able to
> educate us from time to time.
>
> toyin
>
> On 15 February 2011 10:49, augustine togonu-bickersteth <
> augustine308@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Toyin I hope the Physicists and scientists in general take some time out
>> to
>> acquaint themselves with the latest developments in the world of the
>> Humanities. This has already beenexplored years back by P.C. snow in the
>> Two
>> Cultures.There is more to this world than being technically honest
>> Sure I would like to know what going on in Kwara Stae University Physics
>> and Science wise.Town and Gown wise.
>> Augustine
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com>
>> *To:* WoleSoyinkaSociety@
>> *Sent:* Mon, 14 February, 2011 16:50:15
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WoleSoyinkaSociety] Fwd: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY,
>> SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you brother. I will read the book.I thought the chap's name was
>> Paul
>> Dirac?
>>
>> That conversation with my critic is on a physics listerve so I expect
>> some physicists will read it.
>>
>> Abiola Irele has a keen interest in science education and has mentioned
>> here that the university is planing an interface with innovators who
>> might
>> be outside the university or similar institutional structures. It would
>> be
>> good if we on the group are able to get feedback on such initiatives.
>>
>> toyin
>>
>> On 14 February 2011 16:40, augustine togonu-bickersteth <
>> augustine308@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Toyin I think you have already read The stangest Man by Graham
>>> Farmelo on the Life and Times of Maurice Dirac one of the Co founders
>>> of
>>> Quantum Mechanics.If you have not maybe you would like to read it.
>>> Costa
>>> Award winner "2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>>
>>> you should get Physics students and Physicists to folow your
>>> deliberations. I have also read the trouble with Physics.I hope it
>>> would
>>> translate into some good thngs for the Physics Deparment Kwara State
>>> University.
>>> Regards Augustine
>>> *From:* toyin adepoju <toyin.adepoju@googlemail.com>
>>> *To:* WoleSoyinkaSociety@
>>> *Sent:* Mon, 14 February, 2011 12:29:59
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WoleSoyinkaSociety] Fwd: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY,
>>> SCIENCE AND HEART OF ERWIN SCHRODINGER
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Prof. Irele. I will read Smolin.
>>> All the best
>>> toyin
>>>
>>> On 13 February 2011 20:17, <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Toyin,
>>>>
>>>> I've just read Lee Smolin's "The Problem with Physics," a challenging
>>>> book
>>>> if ever there was one. But one thing I took away was the patient
>>>> effort
>>>> of
>>>> nderstanding of alternative approaches to physics and science
>>>> generally
>>>> that he he demonstrates. Smolin does particle physics and is
>>>> uncomfortable
>>>> with string theory, of which the book is largely an extended critique.
>>>> But
>>>> he is never as categorical and cocksure as this individual who thinks
>>>> he
>>>> knows it all.
>>>>
>>>> And by the way, as I point out, Bergson and Bachelard uhnderlie much
>>>> of
>>>> Senghor's epistemomology and vision of the world.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to follow up the references re Negritude.
>>>>
>>>> And I'll look forward to your review of my book.
>>>>
>>>> All best.
>>>>
>>>> Irele
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks for the question, Prof.Irele.
>>>> >
>>>> > Goodey is responding to my review of Walter Moore's biography of the
>>>> > pioneering physicist Erwin Schrodinger , one of the founders of
>>>> quantum
>>>> > theory and of wave mechanics.
>>>> >
>>>> > Goodey is dismissive of my correlating the metaphorical use of the
>>>> concept
>>>> > of waves in that theory with Senghor's use of the image of waves in
>>>> his
>>>> > metaphysics and epistemology and my effort to correlate these
>>>> conjunctions
>>>> > with the figure of the Yoruba deity Esu inspired by the comparison
>>>> of
>>>> > ideas
>>>> > associated with Esu with conceptions of fields of force and
>>>> indeterminacy
>>>> > in modern physics in your essay "The African Scholar".
>>>> >
>>>> > Goody and I have exchanged more mails where he has expressed his
>>>> scorn
>>>> for
>>>> > such correlations with further zeal.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have already composed the section of my response that debunks his
>>>> notion
>>>> > that physics does not contain images.The section I am still working
>>>> on
>>>> is
>>>> > the Senghorian/Esu/physics correlation in terms of conceptions of
>>>> > metaphorical thinking, while taking note of the differences between
>>>> the
>>>> > metaphysical and epistemic domains represented by Senghorian
>>>> > philosophy,
>>>> > modern physics and Orisa mythology and philosophy.
>>>> >
>>>> > I wrote the Schrodinger review after reading the book in an effort
>>>> to
>>>> > corroborate certain points I made in a review of your collection of
>>>> > essays
>>>> > on Negritude, *The Negritude Moment,* published this year. I will
>>>> post
>>>> the
>>>> > review soon. I wont pretend to have read the whole book .I consider
>>>> the
>>>> > review a preliminary review that surveys the content of the book,
>>>> compares
>>>> > it with other writings of yours and presents what I expect to
>>>> experience
>>>> > in
>>>> > a detailed reading.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope to do another review after reading the book word for word and
>>>> > possibly a third review that examines the book in relation to
>>>> > recentreexaminations of
>>>> > Negritude<
>>>> http://www.informaworld.com/
>>>>
>>>> > as
>>>> > in the journal Third
>>>> > Text<http://www.informaworld.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > which is among the journals to which Routledge is providing free
>>>> > access<http://www.tandf.co.uk/
>>>>
>>>> > February.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> > Toyin
>>>> >
>>>> > On 13 February 2011 18:39, <abiola.irele@kwasu.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What book is this gentleman talking about?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Irele
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >> > From: Thomas Goodey <thomas@flyingkettle.com>
>>>> >> > Date: 6 February 2011 15:07
>>>> >> > Subject: [Physics_Frontier] PHILOSOPHY, SCIENCE AND HEART OF
>>>> ERWIN
>>>> >> > SCHRODINGER
>>>> >> > To: Physics_Frontier@yahoogroups.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 6 Feb 2011 at 13:45, toyin adepoju wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Senghorian philosophical cosmology and Schrodinger's scientific
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> thought are related through the image of waves as demonstrating
>>>> >> >> fundamental relationships between forms of being.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Look, real physics is not images.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> What can the similarities [be] between the Senghorian
>>>> philosophical
>>>> >> >> conception and Schrodinger's scientific concept of wave
>>>> mechanics
>>>> as
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> describing the fundamental character and behaviour of sub atomic
>>>> >> forms
>>>> >> >> demonstrate about the implications of convergences between
>>>> >> >> philosophical, religious and scientific cosmology?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > There can't be any significant similarities. Schrodinger's
>>>> physical
>>>> >> > concept is based upon very abstruse mathematics and physical
>>>> >> > theorization, and ultimately, upon a great mass of exact
>>>> experimental
>>>> >> > results achieved by many many people at great expense. It is one
>>>> of
>>>> >> > the highest achievements of the human mind. But I suppose that
>>>> the
>>>> >> > "Senghorian philosophical conception", which I have no time or
>>>> >> > inclination to learn anything about, is just vague bullshitting
>>>> >> > without any numbers or concrete predictions.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In other words, Schrodinger's theory is science, Senghor's is
>>>> not.
>>>> >> > There is no similarity.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > And this is worse:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> This question is suggested by Irelefs description in gThe
>>>> African
>>>> >> >> Scholarh of a possible correlation between mythic, philosophical
>>>> and
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> scientific cosmologies that foreground ambiguity, plurality and
>>>> >> >> dynamism as embodied in the ambiguity and dynamism of the mythic
>>>> >> >> figure of the Orisa tradition Esu who demonstrates temporal,
>>>> material
>>>> >> >> and cognitive ambiguities, transformations and liminalities.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Leave physics out of such nonsensical rubbish. Physicists do real
>>>> >> > things.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As for the book, which looks pretty good, I think that $40 for a
>>>> >> > reprint paperback is outrageous.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Thomas Goodey
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ******************************
>>>> >> > The introduction of a multiplicity
>>>> >> > of objectives into a problem not
>>>> >> > only destroys its unity, but also
>>>> >> > increases markedly both the
>>>> >> > time necessary for, and the
>>>> >> > actual personal danger involved
>>>> >> > in, its solution.
>>>> >> > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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