Wednesday, November 8, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Once again, Charlie Hebdo provokes Muslim sensibilities

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I do not think the fear of fundamentalists should stop Charlie Hebdo from expressing what has been observed, also by lots of people afraid to discuss in public, from ISIS to Boko Haram  to The Zak Zakkyy brigade. How they have elevated sex, male penetrative sex to the level of divine reward for Jihad. The honor killings of women, the overarching and overbearing patriarchy. CH, by which I refer to Hebdo and not the highly esteemed Hamelberg, is inviting a soul searching,  an introspection that is avoided by the Ummah. While the West is said to be degenerate and nihilistic, the Jihadists are enticing and radicalising young boys and young adults with the promise of pussy galore and I'm not talking movies.

On 8 November 2017 at 15:53, Abolaji Adekeye <blargeo.dekeye@gmail.com> wrote:
Alagba Harrow,
I agree with you when you refer to the black face,  steppen fetchit and other ways in which blacks where mocked in America. How many whites were murdered as a result? Blacks, victims instead appropriated the derogatory word Nigga and pitched it right back at the badtsmen. 
The Rwanda episode and others are quite unfortunate and tragic. The derogatory nyenzi " cockroach " and all that negative jazz. But pardon me sir, if you call me cockroach, my riposte will be to call you henroach. My henroach. I won't come slaughtering people for that. People resort to their fist when words fail them or they believe some preconceived primeval notions of honor have been breached. 
Each society will have to find a balance in the see saw of freedom versus responsibility and obligations. For example I have been conditioned by my Yoruba upbringing never to use a person's disability against them. Yet I schooled in the North where I had a buddy blind in one eye and was therefore called John one, short for John one eyed. Another was called Musa accident because he got some burns in a fire accident. I was never able to bring myself to call any of these guys the nicknames they so enjoyed. I cannot call a gurugu, gurugu but I'll call a spade a spade. 
I do not think the fear of fundamentalists should stop Charlie Hebdo from expressing what has been observed, also by lots of people afraid to discuss in public, from ISIS to Boko Haram  to The Zak Zakkyy brigade. How they have elevated sex, male penetrative sex to the level of divine reward for Jihad. The honor killings of women, the overarching and overbearing patriarchy. CH, by which I refer to Hebdo and not the highly esteemed Hamelberg, is inviting a soul searching,  an introspection that is avoided by the Ummah. While the West is said to be degenerate and nihilistic, the Jihadists are enticing and radicalising young boys and young adults with the promise of pussy galore and I'm not talking movies. 

The same rhetorics that attended the fatwa on Rushdie is what is repeating itself today. Then,  the groundswell of opinion was that he brought it upon himself.  He knew what he was doing. He courted the fatwa. He blasphemed. He deserves death. Charlie Hebdo has killed nobody. We should not continue to shield killers or would be killers because they can kill and writers can write. Satire is not an instruction to kill neither is it an invitation to one. 

On Nov 8, 2017 14:43, "Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju" <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
to what degree is this latest cartoon from charlie hebdo serious critique and to what degree is it empty mockery?

toyin

On 8 November 2017 at 06:29, Abolaji Adekeye <blargeo.dekeye@gmail.com> wrote:
I want to ask like Salman -Is nothing sacred? 
I'll answer by posing another - Who determines what is allowed and what is hallowed? 

It is rather complex but I believe nothing should be immuned to satire. Nothing should curtail freedom of expression except superior expression. We should look at the brighter side of things. We appear too uptight when our totems,  our sacralised absolutes are interrogated, critiqued or lampooned. The Life of Brian and Jesus christ superstar did not provoke bombings or any killing spree. Although there where boycott of the movies by the offended.

I believe personally that the provocateurs are those who prevent freedom of expression and aim to foist their creed and belief on the rest of us from their temples, mosques,  madrasal or churches. They espouse their divisive messages from compromised lecterns and pulpits but are quick to convulse in apoplectic fits of righteous indignation at any positions or expositions opposed to theirs.






On Nov 7, 2017 12:03, "Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju" <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
terrible

On 6 November 2017 at 19:47, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:

There's provocation defined as "action or speech that makes someone angry, especially deliberately" and there's madness , the sometimes seemingly mad / insane reaction to certain types of provocation as in the old Saro Krio saying, of my Yoruba grandmother's King James Bible generation, that "provocation is next to madness"


In accordance with Sunnism there are The Five Pillars of Islam and there's the five roots/ principles the Usul al Din of Shia Islam ( ie.Tawhid ( the unity of God)  Adl ( God's Justice)  Nabuwat ( Prophethood), Imamat (The Holy Imams), Qiyamah (The Resurrection)


With pavlovian expectations, Charlie Hebdo is at it again – this time their so called satirical illustration is that of an erect giant penis , said to be "the sixth pillar of Islam.".


A new provocation from Charlie Hebdo , new death threats


They are of course expecting Muslims to react violently  as Muslims have done in the past, with the Muhammad Cartoons ( Denmark)  Lars Vilks canine portrait of the Prophet of Islam  (Sweden) and the earlier Charlie Hebdo attacks ( France)  which prove that Charlie Hebdo know what they are doing  and are doing what they do because they expect the same results , so that they can all shout in unison : TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!



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