Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

No Nazi invocation, I plead.

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On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Okey Iheduru <okeyiheduru@gmail.com> wrote:

"The administration should be criticized for its many failings independently on its own demerits and not by invoking the Jonathan administration." --- Moses Ochonu.

Sorry, Moses, isn't the opposite exactly what you and Farooq just did?

"... have the audacity to castigate those who desperately, perhaps naively, supported torment by fire without knowing that this is how their choice would turn out?" -- Moses Ochonu

Yes, Moses, you're a student of logic, but what sort of logic is your claim that you naively supported and preferred "torment by fire" when you were warned and provided historical and contempranous evidence that you'd be roasted in the "torment by fire"? You not only chose torment by fire, but you also drowned out any attempt to see the logic of contrary views. What is the purpose or outcome of "logical" or rational thought, if I may ask?

Several times in this forum during the 2014-2015 election campaigns, Buharideens were hard pressed--and failed-- to provide a single policy statement made by Buhari as candidate other than hortatory remarks about "fighting corruption" and "when we were in power 30 years ago..." All the noise from the fake southwest media loudmouths about "Change" manifesto were promptly repudiated by incurably inept and dangerously provincial Buhari upon assuming office because he had no clue --and could care less -- what they were talking about. 

You're the historian, Moses, and you know very well that those who provided intellectual legitimacy, support, cover and/or rationalizations for the Nazi regime were held culpable, and have continued to be hunted till today. So, don't be upset if you're reminded of your self-admitted naivete. So many "naive" promoters of idealized, fake Buhari have made sincere mea culpa to Nigerians and the international community elsewhere. Perhaps, we could have the same contrition on this forum, even as we move forward to seeking ways of salvaging what would be the charred remains our dear country, by the time this horrendous "torment by fire" comes to an end in 2019.

Okey Iheduru

Peace as Always (especially in the New Year)! 

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Moses Ebe Ochonu <meochonu@gmail.com> wrote:

Chidi,

You're probably right on all counts, but I think Farooq's overarching point is that the Jonathan administration should not be allowed to become some sort of nostalgic standard by which to criticize the current Buhari administration. The administration should be criticized for its many failings independently on its own demerits and not by invoking the Jonathan administration as though it was better or would have been better had it continued. Besides, I think Farooq recently referred to the Buhari administration as cluelessness on steroids, having earlier referred to the Jonathan administration as clueless. So, knowing what we know now, Farooq himself is willing to say that this is a level of cluelessness that is a tad higher than what we saw with Jonathan, although no one could clairvoyantly know that this would happen unless they are arrogantly and retroactively claiming predictive insight.

A favorite retort of Jonathanians as Buhari's administration has unraveled is to troll those who supported the candidacy of Buhari by saying that they brought this disaster to Nigeria. Not only is this a disingenuous insinuation that the Buhari supporters could see into the future or could predict that he would be such a disaster and still supported him over Jonathan, it also seeks to establish the Jonathanians who supported a familiar, ongoing disaster as some kind of sages. The chutzpah is incredible. I am a student of logic but I don't know how those who supported a present, ongoing disaster can claim a moral or intellectual high ground over those who wanted to move in a different direction hoping that it would be better--without the ability to see into the future. How can you support an ongoing torment by frying pan and have the audacity to castigate those who desperately, perhaps naively, supported torment by fire without knowing that this is how their choice would turn out?

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:

(1)Would it have taken the Jonathan administration three years to come up with a list of board appointees with names of six dead persons?

(2)Would it have taken the Jonathan administration nearly six months to put together, a cabinet that includes characters like Solomon Dalung, Kemi Adeosun and Lia Mohammed?

(3)Would it have taken the Jonathan administration that long to suspend the SFG who cleared an IDP camp with millions of naira.

One could go on, but for the sake of time.

The Jonathan administration was corrupt and rudderless, but not to the magnitude we are seeing today.

A whole lot of things, would have been done better than it is done now by the Jonathan administration. An example is the current fuel crisis, the Jonathan administration would have at least addressed the nation on the issue.

CAO.

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