Sunday, December 31, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

Gloria is right that no enmity need be eternal. In fact, unless there is an economic motive, enmity will dissipate quickly. My own view.

As for the analogy between jews and germans, that doesn't quite work for me. The germans with whom the jews made up were not Nazis, but the opposite: those who outlawed Nazism in all forms, down to this day. And especially those who sided with the enemies of the Nazis.

The jews who made up, too, were not really The Jews but Israelis who accepted reparations, not quite the same as making up.

Most jews I knew when I grew up after WWII hated the germans, refused to buy german products, like VWs, and certainly never went to Germany. We are now 3 generations after that day, and not only has that hatred weakened, especially for the younger generation, the germans themselves have become the model nation that has apologized for its holocaust. If you go to berlin you will be impressed, or even overwhelmed, by the monuments, the tokens to the past, the reminders, and above all, the deep signs of apologizing for that past.

The Israelis are no where close to apologizing for the occupation, the slaughtering of Palestinians in gaza, the new settlements, the expulsions and ethnic cleanings, the wall, the prison abuse etc.

It is not easy for jews like myself to see in Israel, what had once been the great golden hope of the jewish people, turn into the oppressive state.

Will this change one day? Maybe not. When the invading Europeans took the native people's lands and put them onto reservations, there was no basic change in policy. There have been vague gestures toward apologies, but no truth and reconciliation commission, no resolution to the miserable conditions on all too many reservations, except for those w casinos or minerals.

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

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harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
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Date: Sunday 31 December 2017 at 20:34
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn't Have Been Better!

 

Well the Nazis connote genocide,
death camps, gold filling extraction and a host of despicable actions.As I said in another list, if the Jews can make up with the Germans, then they could certainly come to an agreement with the Palestinians. But that is a stray point. The real issue here is about politician s and the lies they weave. Few can be trusted. You can only think in relative terms at the moment of voting.
Who would have thought that Alassane Ouattara would turn out to be such a lousy, avaricious,ungrateful President but he did. Gbagbo's friend

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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:01:16 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn't Have Been Better!

 

"No Nazi invocation, I plead." (Moderator)

Why not, if within context and helps to illuminate viewpoints?

CAO.



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