Friday, January 26, 2018

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: 19th Century Philosophy That Drives President Buhari’s Cattle Colony Policy

OK but  that  depends on whether the Chair is named after him or is in his honor-

 or if he is appointed the Chair.


Appointing Queen Elizabeth as the Chair of British  Medieval Studies is different from

her sponsorship and patronage of a professorial Chair.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali



From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Olayinka Agbetuyi <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:50 PM
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You are right that there is perceived real sociological manifestation of race in western societies. That's is why every govt job application form in the UK has an ethnic background monitoring page attached to it.

An Alaafin professorial chair will not diminish his status; it will actually rightly enhance it just as the fact of Queen Elizabeths position as patron of over 600 organizatiins did not diminish the role of the monarch but enhanced it.



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From: "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
Date: 25/01/2018 18:13 (GMT+00:00)
To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: 19th Century Philosophy That Drives President Buhari's Cattle Colony Policy

And why do people like Appiah want to make their particular circumstance a generality?


In any case, race does exist sociologically if not biologically. Anti-colonial  and anti-apartheid activists, fighting segregation were not delusional. They were not fighting windmills in the air.

Who feels it knows it.


On a different note, giving  the Alaafin a professorial  chair may diminish his role as  a  cultural and

 historical icon and leader,   but we should ask him about the connection he would like to have with professional historians. Would he facilitate  oral  interviews or visual documentation of his domain?

Would he facilitate  biographical works etc? The Historical Society of Nigeria could have a major role in  this discourse. Thank you,  Adeshina Afolayan,  for this insightful commentary on the Alaafin.



GE 




Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
 
New Britain. CT 06050
www.africahistory.net
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries on
Africa and the African Diaspora
8608322815  Phone
8608322804 Fax



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I think this is one of those rare instances where both opposing viewpoints can be right at the same time:  Kens proto-academic problematisation of the notion of race and Salimonu's insistence in grounding discourses on contemporary practice.

  Kens position may be liminal even within academic circles (hence the cogency of Salimonus dictionary authorities) but liminality (academics by nature dont always agree and this fact automates the acquisition of knowledges) by itself does not constitute error since it often takes time for change to permeate discourses from the margins to the centre.


As the Yoruba would put it 'Ogbon odun yi were eemi '   Kwowleges can be empirically outmoded.


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From: Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu>
Date: 24/01/2018 18:35 (GMT+00:00)
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Dear solimonu

I wonder if I asked you to construct an argument against the division of peoples into races if could do so with as much energy as for constructing it?

I wish I could say that what I will write is dispassionate, but it is not. I feel quite strongly antipathetic toward the notion of race. Partly because it has been mobilized for evil purposes throughout history.

You are going by definitions that you find in a dictionary. Of course you can define the term. Does that make it a reality? Look up unicorns in the dictionary: they are there too.

In the 19th century, jews were also considered a race. Not white.

In the u.s. irish were not considered white, and until world war 2, neither were Italians or Portuguese, and certainly not mexicans.

The definition of race has changed over time, and the reference to Caucasian is based on the same kind of illogic as the Nazis' who decided they belonged to the superior race, the Aryans. For them, Slavs were not a race on their high level.

 

Racists like to use skin color to define race, at least nowadays. Indians, despite being Aryans, are too dark for racists of today. Why are they a little dark or very dark? Why are arabs and berbers light skinned or dark skinned? Why are Sudanese light or dark? Why are south Asians and people from the islands, west indies, malaysians, and endless other people lighter or darker?

Either there has been mixing going on, since forever, or god made a mistake.

Try the first option.

And secondly, where did the people from the Caucasus come from? Where did you and I come from? How long did humans have to be separated from their east African origins to become races? And when they moved, intermingled, reformed, which race did they belong to?

 

Lastly, the key question, because all the above are merely rhetorical questions intended to challenge racist thinking, why would you want to affirm the existence of race? Before you answer, with respect, I suggest you read appiah's work In My Father's House. Not simply because he celebrates mixed-race, but more because he debunks the notion of race.

 

"Race" as a category has been constructed for a reason. Until the 20th century it was to keep "us" pure, and there is only one way to do that, to exclude "them." Even if that means ethnic "cleansing" and genocide. Purity at all costs.

 

Now whose side do you want to be on in this dispute? Trump's or Appiah's?

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

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You seem not to accept my inclusion of Arabs in the Caucasian race, therefore, you resorted to redefining the word, Caucasian, with the aid of  Wikipedia. May I counsel you that if Wikipedia defines crocodiles as ful-grown lizards, you should never because of that attempt to approach and treat crocodiles as ordinary lizards. Social anthropologists, for many ages, have classified human beings into three races of mankind, namely Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid. After World War II, it has not been politically correct to openly discuss social anthropology, the tap root of survival of the fittest, from which Western world economic ideology rests. However, the meanings attributed to the racial classifications and the political and economic ideology that motivated them remain unchanged. 

 

General Consultant to the Publication of: COLLINS ENGLISH DICTIONARY - THE AUTHORITY ON CURRENT ENGLISH - is J. M. Sinclair, Professor of English Language and Literature, University of Birmingham. The dictionary has a long list of Editors who are Professors in various subjects. Thus, the contents of the dictionary is highly authoritative.

Here follows the definition of Caucasian according to Collins Dictionary. CAUCASIAN : Another word for Caucasoid; A member of the Caucasoid race; A white man.

CAUCASOID : denoting, relating to, or belonging to the light-complexioned racial groups of mankind which includes the people indigenous to Europe, N. Africa, S.W. Asia and the Indian subcontinent and their descendants in other parts of the world(p.257). 

Furthermore, MONGOLOID is defined as: denoting, relating to, or belonging to one of the racial groups of mankind, characterized by yellowish complexion, straight black hair, slanting eyes, short nose and scanty facial hair, INCLUDING MOST OF THE PEOPLES OF ASIA, THE ESKIMOS AND THE NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS (p. 1008).

 

NEGRO : A member of any dark-skinned indigenous peoples of Africa and their descendants elsewhere. A member of the Negroid race. NEGROID: denoting, relating to or belonging to one of the major racial groups of mankind, characterized by brown-black skin, tightly-curled hair, a short nose, and ful lips. This group includes the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF AFRICA,SOUTH OF THE SAHARA, THEIR DESCENDANTS ELSEWHERE,AND SOME MELANESIAN PEOPLES (P.1045).

 

It can easily be deduced from the above definitions that Islam and Christianity are Caucasian religions. The Bible was originally written in  Hebrew while Quran was written in Arabic. Both religions originated from the same geographical area of the world. That explains why the two religions share names of the same religious deities for instance, Christian's Moses is Islam's Musa; Islam's Isa is Christian's Jesus; Christian's Abraham is Islam's Ibrahim; Islam's Yusuf is Christian's Joseph; and Christian's Mary/Maria is Islam's Miriam/Mariam etc. Since, parts of the Bible and Quran sanction slavery, it has historically been established that the Caucasian Arabs began raiding Africa for slaves long before Caucasian Europeans. In fact, the genocide committed by Caucasian Arabs in Africa gave birth to Arab countries of Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Sudan.

S. Kadiri 

 

 

 

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One man's white is not another man's white. Caucasian is one of the worst signifiers imaginable, but as a synecdoche for white it is even dumber. Here is a defn of Caucasian from Wikipedia, one man's truth: In the United States, the root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different, societal context as a synonym for "white" or "of European ancestry".[6][7]

 

By that common usage defn, neither of the definitions of islam or Christianity (much less Judaism) could remotely be termed caucasian.

 

What is Caucasian, outside of that simplistic wiki usage? Well, it is people from a region who became slaves in Egypt, mothers of the rulers, etc.

Why do people use "Caucasian"? because they want to avoid the directness of saying white.

But I think it is truer to say, one man's racism is another man's source of pride.

I would add, All racisms are harmful in the end—even when in the service of self-defence.

I prefer fanon to armah, in that regard

 

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

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 Therefore, it is not strange that the Caucasian Arabs were the first to begin raiding Africa and capturing the negro people as slaves only to be followed later by Caucasian Europeans. 

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