Shema ! - It's all there :" You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your might.!"
Wofa Akwassi,
What a timely and benign intervention. I thought about you when I saw the word "Osagyefo" since you are more closely connected with him than anyone else in this forum, and I saw that word "Osagyefo"( not John's " And the Word was God") when I read what Biko wrote : "even the original Greek pidgin written hundreds of years after the origin of the oral tradition cannot convince us all that the two banditos were not indeed anti-colonial rebels whose crime may have been preaching the coming of the Osagyefo or Savior. Osagyefo. I thought about both you and him and now you are here whilst you too await Jesus' return. ( I suppose that you are in Ghana at the moment, honouring Kofi Annan with a befitting send-off...?)
I am grateful to have received such an education in this short space ( less than a few pages) from Professor Aluko , among other things, about the names of the two thieves that were executed along with Jesus and so, at this point I take the opportunity to ask you an experienced and ordained lay pastor and preacher why is it Stephen and not the penitent thief that died on the cross with Jesus venerated as the first Christian Martyr - the thief after all confessed his belief in the crucified one as his redeemer...
But back to what you wrote:. As you know, marriage , good marriages are made in heaven; I think it's a matter of luck really not that anyone deserves anything because she is so sooo beautiful and he so, sooo handsome and stronger than iron, like a lion a Zion. So, lucky man, congratulations to you and the First Lady...
I held my breath and my heart skipped a beat when I got to your, "I still remember, as a Catholic altar boy (who was never molested in either Storge or Familiar love) when an Archbishop ..." at which point I closed my eyes and read no further , anticipating that it was the Archbishop, the rambunctious Archbishop a higher level ecclesiastic authority that finally rammed it into the unwilling cherub altar boy Akwassi - a shuffering and not shmiling initiation, the beginning of another long , episodic sequence of the sodomic - the unholy pederast's atavistic return to the orgies in Sodom and Gomorrah ,
one, two, three,
four , five, six, seven
all good children go to heaven
for as we have been reading that is what has been happening in to the innocent Roman Catholic boys and girls in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, all over the globe, thereby giving the priests of the Catholic Church ( "The living body of Christ"), a bad name, so that earlier in the day I came across this
It's tragic that so many people have their knives out for President Trump. I know that as an experienced newspaperman you'll be the first to tell us , " don't believe everything you see in print" – and that should include Woodward's Fear :Gary Cohn, Rob Porter criticize Woodward's book
And from a source you can always trust : Obama goes on attack, but arguments fall flat against Trump successes
A short note on Trusting in God : Rabbi S. Wagschal : With All Your Heart
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:46:00 UTC+2, aassenso wrote:
Dear VC Aluko & Professor Cornelius (my fellow long-lasting inhabitant of Sweden!):
In the age of Trumpism, what is sorely or desperately needed is genuine educators to offer high quality education for the purposeful enlightening edification of the masses, who are being suffocated with alternative truths (by politicians in authority) and pseudo-communist flirtations by latter-day KGB recruits and operatives. Otherwise, most of the people will continue to wallow in ignorance and, in the end, perish.
Indeed, both of you have provided very useful lessons (just like several other Dialogue postings) in your current postings, which either Dr. Azikiwe (Zikism) or Chief Awolowo (Awoism) would have described as alacrity and verbostic exhortations.
The other day, ex-President Barack Obama, publicly taking Trumpism to task, described some of the utterances of the Oval Office occupant as being bombastic; yours are not. Instead, you brought me back to my futile Catholic seminary years, although my spouse of 25 years in each blessed week thanks her God that -- for her to find me as a husband -- I abandoned my Catholic seminary training, part of which was an occasional encampment at the Novitiate of the Dominican Catholic Mission at Yaba, near Lagos.
Your useful expositions on different types of "loves" below do provide a lot of what my legendary Yoruba mentor of yore (Baba Ijebu of Palmgrove, near Surulere) would have also described as once-in-a-life-time food for thought. I still remember, as a Catholic altar boy (who was never molested in either Storge or Familiar love) when an Archbishop, who gave us our Catholic confirmation rites, preached at that
weekend's high Catholic mass for communicants on how, to make matters simple for the skeptical world, to reduce the Ten Commandments to one simple exhortation of Jesus Christ: "To Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself!" Here, too, Archbishop John Kojo Amissah of the Archdiocese of Cape Coast, Ghana, was referring to "Agape" type of love.
The Archbishop went on to underscore the fact that if we loved our neighbors like ourselves, we would be able to fulfill several aspects of the Ten Commandments: they included the fact that if one loves one's neighbor as oneself, one would not commit the following criminal acts against the neighbor: murder (killing), adultery, coveting, theft (stealing), bearing false witness, etc, etc. How true, as I too- -- as an ordained Baptist minister and a former church pastor in Indiana -- preached with the similar "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself" theme, and my Second Baptist Church congregation in Bedford, Indiana, was very appreciative.
In fact, it was in our major seminary's first-year Greek/Latinic philosophical thought course that we learned some facts about the following types of "loves": Eros, Philia, Ludus, Pragma, Agape, Philauda and Storge; it is, indeed, very interesting that a Scientist like VC Aluko is very much versed in these parameters. I am, in fact, sure that former University of Jos campus' resident Catholic (Parish) Priest, Rev. Dr. (Father) Patrick Isichei (related to Elizabeth Isichei and other Isichei's of Asaba, Nigeria) and other seminary contemporaries do remember the "good old days" of these lessons, an era in African Catholicism that was free of the repressive or brutal Storge love atmosphere that we hear or read about in Western Catholic culture! Indeed, I have discussed in the two volumes of my memoirs my Catholic seminary years back in Africa, as I lamented what is prevailing in Western Catholicdom. I am sure that Sokoto Catholic Diocese Bishop Matthew Hassan Kukah of Kulu, Nigeria, can bear me out that he suffered no abuse from any priest in his shining early educational pursuits at St. Fidelis Primary School, St. Joseph Minor Seminary and, finally, at St. Augustine Major Seminary in Jos until his Catholic Priest ordination in 1976 and, now, subsequent nomination as a Bishop.
Thank you very much VC Aluko and Professor Cornelius for the baptism of "erotic fire" in both of your postings! What an interesting piece of THOUGHT FOR TODAY!!
A.B. Assensoh.
From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com>
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To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com
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Prof Cornelius:
I understand that the ancient Greek recognized eight kinds of love:
- Eros: Love of the body or erotic love. (Eros was the Greek God of love and sexual desire).
- Philia: Love of the mind. ...
- Ludus: Playful love. ...
- Pragma: Longstanding or Enduring love. ...
- Agape: Love of the soul or Selfless love
- Philautia: Love of the self. / Self love
- Mania Obsessive Love
- Storge: Love of the child of Familiar love
It appears that too many Catholic priests have become too "storgey".
But in the Bible, the three recognized are Eros, Agape and Philos Love::
The Three Types of Love in the Bible
Irrespective of your status, race or the economics, everyone values love & recognizes that it is love that shapes what is true and good. The term "love" has always been used so broadly to describe a strong feeling or emotion towards, for, or between someone or something, and more specific definitions of love for different relationships have been considered over the years. But there are three kinds of love in the Bible and these are Eros, Agape and Philos.
EROS LOVE
Eros is a Greek term which actually means desire and longing. And according to the Greek methodology, Eros is the name of the Greek god of love. Also referred to as erotic love, this is a selfish kind of love as it associated with sexual love. Eros love is based on the strong feeling we have against one another and it usually develops during the 1st stage of a romantic relationship. This kind of love is based on the physical traits. This type of love can end up being possessive, since it always seeks to 1st conquer and then control.
He created desire and longing which makes up sexual love which is crucial in any marriage. This love was meant to be preserved between a couple and it is essential for any healthy marriage. And since it is mostly based on self-benefit, many people tend to fall out of love if they are not happy with the marriage.
AGAPE LOVE
In the Bible, this is a special term which represents the divine-love of the Lord towards his Son Jesus Christ, the human beings and all believers. This is the best of the three types of love in the bible, in fact Jesus himself showed this type of divine love to his Dad in heaven and humanity. Agape love is the love that God commanded all believers to have for everyone whether he/she is a believer or not. Agape love should never be determined by our feelings; it is more of a set of behaviors or actions. With agape, you do not have to actually feel it for you to give it, which means that you can be able to show love without feeling anything at all. At times feelings can follow after showing this kind of love.
PHILOS LOVE
This is a unique kind of love like the one you have for a companion or pal. It refers to loving one another just like your brother or sister. This love is for a pal who is really close and dear to us and it is characterized by various different shared experiences between two people. In fact this is the kind of love that many Christians tend to practice towards one another. And although philos love is really wonderful, it is not very reliable, since it can end up souring at times as we have all experienced at some point in our lives.
Paul, I strongly believe, was referring to Agape Love.
Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
Professor Aluko ,
I was specifically named "Cornelius" after an Irish priest Rev. Father Cornelius Mulcahy, a close friend of my first cousin, Rev. Father Edward Hamelberg also a Catholic priest and also named "Edward" after him( I guess they were dreaming of me taking vows of celibacy and becoming a Roman Catholic monk) but this Cornelius Ignoramus has some problems with the New Testament Cornelius ( an uncircumcised Roman centurion who was "a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people" and the first gentile to be admitted into the company of the then ritually separated Jews all because a dream that the Apostle Peter had was interpreted to mean "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This was a prelude to Christianity abolishing the kosher dietary laws which we are to assume Jesus himself observed...
Small neighbour's keeper love talk : How is Don Pius Adesanmi ? Still no updates on his Facebook page since July 16th.
Just as you say, "So one man's revolutionary is another man's thief, and one man's thief is another man's saint!"
Sad to know ( it's a pity) that the Catholic Church now provides a working definition of pederasty. It's common knowledge : in the Catholic Church, one's man or woman's priest is now some poor boy's or poor girl's paedophile.
If that's the quality of the priest/ priesthood teaching "the word of God" then God save the congregation"
Of course according to the Greek categories there are several types of love but what's nor certain what kind of love kind Paul may have been talking about as the supremacy of love when Paul says
(King James version)
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away" and goes on "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
So if I have the last of these ( love) am I then not already "saved"?`
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:10:41 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:
Professor Cornelius:
Well, keep on giving us your insights, as Cornelius in the Bible, brief as he appeared, did:
By the way, the Penitent Thief (Dismas, according to the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus, or Demas, etc) is a Catholic Church saint:
So one man's revolutionary is another man's thief, and one man's thief is another man's saint!
Wanders will never seize!
Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's refreshing to know that one man's freedom fighter can be regarded as the other man's rebel, murderer and terrorist such as the Jihad clan known as Boko Haram...
It's so interesting, following this discussion between dear Bolaji and dear Biko, the professor of criminology who wants to decriminalise and de-colonise the justice system and our professor of chemical engineering – an avid political commentator - about the the faith (and belief ?) of the revolutionary nationalist freedom fighter Barabbas the zealot , one of the two other persons crucified along with Jesus , that day promised , "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise!"
I read of other zealots here on the way to paradise or to the other place...
As to our difficulties with the Greek Testament, like the Bard, knowing "little Latin and less Greek" I occasionally consulted with Brother Akonte Braide (self-taught New Testament Greek scholar) and ( I'll never forget) this was not too long after being nearly drowned by my fanatical Igbo Christian Brethren in what they called " Full Immersion Baptism " in that river in Umuahia. They must have been fancying themselves as some kind of John the Baptiser of the new dispensation and that their local river was flowing with the same holy water as the River Jordan in Jesus' Israel
Now, years later one has come to learn and understand that the Greek of the "New Testament" ( so called) is in fact some kind of pidgin Greek (like pidgin English) – just as today's Italian could be properly or improperly regarded as "pidgin Latin" by the same Stiff upper lip Nigerian English Language police and twenty-first century language purists who say today, "not even the Buckingham Palace classical Greek of the Greek philosophers" by whom some of the Diaspora culture Jews like Saul turned Paul had obviously been deeply affected – as a result of which we got the Biblical exegesis of Chapter 1, verse 1 of the Gospel according to John (King James Version) :" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us " (Jesus) – what's translated as " The Word " is the Greek term Logos ( and all the ramifications thereof
Food for thought : I'm still chewing on Baba Kadiri saying that if the Almighty wants to talk to him, He had better do so in Yoruba. I suppose that the Hebrew Faithful invoke the same argument when objecting to any real, fake or purported revelations from Him to them , not communicated to them via the Holy Tongue , especially after he point when with Malachi the Prophetic cycle had already come to an end.
Claude Kayat did considerable research when writing "The Thirteenth Disciple" ("Den trettonde lärjungen") and more than once, has recommended to me Understanding The Difficult Words of Jesus - for a better understanding of the Gospels...
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 15:51:00 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:
Biko:
Moses is recorded to have killed only one person in Egypt - a mistake, a manslaughter crime of passiom rathsr than a premeditated first degree mutder. He regretted it and ran away from his privileged royal-Egyptian position, and had forty years to repent in Midian before returning to lead his Jewish people out of bondage..
Just to correct that record...I was there (in spirit).
Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Bolaji
It shows how influential the KJV remains under imperialism.
It will be good to hear from those who know Greek what they were translating from to arrive at so much liberty with words that mock rebels against Rome and revolutionaries as bad men, thieves, robbers, murderers, and bandits just as Jesus was represented as a criminal by the Romans and Mandela was officially labeled a terrorist by the West.
The unrepentant Moses was shown grace after killing so many in Egypt because grace is not earned through repentance or tithing.
In the history of knowledge, the majority does not always carry the vote.
Biko
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Biko:
There you have it is all I can say from these 101 translations. Thieves, robbers, outlaws, criminals, bandits, rebels, revolutionaries, insurrectionists, murderers - bad guys both!
But one became penitent on the Cross next to Christ and landed in Paradise - a prime example of unbaptized, unmerited grace!
There is hope yet for everybody ..
Bolaji Aluko
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
You may be right that King Jim was not alone in the fear and disgust at rebels and revolutionaries. A lot of the versions that called them thieves, outlaws or robbers may be direct plagiarism of KJV.
The New International Versions call them "rebels against Rome" or simply "revolutionaries". The American revolution may have something to do with that preference
See
Biko
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Biko:
Virtually all the versions that I have now looked at call the two persons on the Cross with Christ "criminals" or thieves, but nonrevolutiona (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27–28,32, Luke 23:33, John 19:18), They must be distinguished from Barrabas ("the notable prisoner...who caused insurrection and murder while at it". Mathew 27:16, Mark 15:7, Luke 23:18-19,) that was released by Pontius Pilate in place of Jesus Christ. Only John 18:40 calls Barrabas a robber.
See:
And there you have it.
Bolaji Aluko
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mob
Check other versions of the story. Only King James version called them Robbers of the Cross. Other versions called them rebels or revolutionaries.
King James may have had a grudge against rebels for they chopped off the head of his grandfather, Charles.
Biko
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:01 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM<chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:"......but his graciousness in defeat, by Obama, and his courage to reject Trumpism, endeared him to many, in the end." (Gloria Emeagwali)
So, this was what made him the symbol of American greatness?
By the wa
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